win8 Here's What Windows 8 Would Look Like Without Metro

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Couldn't immediately find numbers from 2011 or 2012, but this shows 2010 and their forecast at the time.

http://www.inquisitr...ll-still-reign/

Note I said that laptops were the majority, not tablets.

Microsoft is also forcing the Metro UI on Windows Server users as well, not much call for touch control in the data center.

[Dashel]

1-2% of 20% is a 'small minority' ;)

[chrisj1968]

My plans, long term, are to migrate many of my clients over to a linux OS that use RDS for their main day to day operations. It will fix so many sides of this entire debate, and hopefully send a clear messages to Microsoft. You don't listen, we don't purchase.

Microsoft NOT listening is akin to UBISOFT NOT listening to past customers of UBISOFT who were trying to improve Ghost recon

[Brandon Live Veteran]

Microsoft is also forcing the Metro UI on Windows Server users as well, not much call for touch control in the data center.

This statement is immensely confusing to me. How are Metro-style apps forced on anyone? Or are you just talking about the new Start menu? How does the presence of either of those things "call for touch control in the data center?"

[Dashel]

Because the hot corner idea is frustrating in practice and most times the keyboard commands don't always take (being 'global' commands and all) - especially if you are double tunneling via another host.

Based on the post history here regarding mouse limitations and the use keyboard shortcuts remedy, is the next reply that I should only use Core installs and the CLI? This is still Windows we are talking about right? :)

[Brandon Live Veteran]

Because the hot corner idea is frustrating in practice and most times the keyboard commands don't always take (being 'global' commands and all) - especially if you are double tunneling via another host.

Based on the post history here regarding mouse limitations and the use keyboard shortcuts remedy, is the next reply that I should only use Core installs and the CLI? This is still Windows we are talking about right? :)

I still don't follow. I use remote connections all the time (sometimes nested ones) and have never had any problem with mouse or keyboard working correctly. But then I'm using the Win8 RDP client. Depending on what you're using, updates may become available to improve compatibility with Win8 (just as they did with Win7).

[trek]

I still don't follow. I use remote connections all the time (sometimes nested ones) and have never had any problem with mouse or keyboard working correctly. But then I'm using the Win8 RDP client. Depending on what you're using, updates may become available to improve compatibility with Win8 (just as they did with Win7).

Fullscreen within the nested session or not?

[Jose_49]

I don't get what you are saying. I've never had issues with Microsoft telling me what I can and can't do. Apple, yes, in certain spots, they do control what users do, but Microsoft or Windows has never told me that I can't run certain apps, or use certain hardware.

Tell that to Vista users and Office 2013.

[mrp04]

OMG METRO SUCKS!!!

Haha. Just use a touch enabled PC for a little bit, you'll learn to love it. It's totally a non-issue on a desktop. Just click desktop and you won't see metro except for 2 seconds when launching a program.

[Dashel]

I still don't follow. I use remote connections all the time (sometimes nested ones) and have never had any problem with mouse or keyboard working correctly. But then I'm using the Win8 RDP client. Depending on what you're using, updates may become available to improve compatibility with Win8 (just as they did with Win7).

As Trek points out, its not the client, its the fullscreen part as that is a primary assumption of hot corners. Tell me how much fun hitting the Charms or Start buttons are in a window without using the keyboard (Win8 seems to latch onto the Win key differently)

[ahhell]

Microsoft NOT listening is akin to UBISOFT NOT listening to past customers of UBISOFT who were trying to improve Ghost recon

Great analogy there. :|

[Andrea Borman]

Well yes,it is true that you can no longer disable the Metro theme in Windows 8 CP and now in Windows 8 RP,the current version.

But you CAN install start menu software like Classic Shell or Start Menu 7.Which gives you the start button and Windows XP and Windows 7 start menu.

And both Classic Shell and Start menu 7 have now been updated. And you can now boot straight to the desktop,skipping the Metro start screen if you have either software installed.

So now we don't deal with the Metro theme at all. Unless we want to,as we can do most of our work from the desktop and Windows 7 start menu we have installed. Andrea Borman.

[ITFiend]

This statement is immensely confusing to me. How are Metro-style apps forced on anyone? Or are you just talking about the new Start menu? How does the presence of either of those things "call for touch control in the data center?"

What confuses me is that no one makes the leap of understanding that Metro makes perfect sense for RDS sessions from touch devices. Fact is, I would hate for Metro to not be in the server edition, because that will quickly become a massive functionality inconsistency as WinRT apps progress. I just wish the Metro version of Internet Explorer worked on Server 2012 (at least, so far I haven't found any way to enable it, it always calls on the desktop IE even after the full Desktop Experience is deployed).

Microsoft has done far better with consistency of client functionality within server editions since Server 2008 was released, and I don't understand why anyone would want that to change.

[Dashel]

I don't think anyone isn't jazzed about all the cool things we can do with VDI deployments now that it is touch friendly Kaedrin. MS once again has created the solution that Apple could not. We just don't understand why they didn't do for Windows what they did for Office.

People will still want to manage those servers using conventional windowed remote access applications though, which is where its more of an annoyance now.

[BajiRav]

I don't think anyone isn't jazzed about all the cool things we can do with VDI deployments now that it is touch friendly Kaedrin. MS once again has created the solution that Apple could not. We just don't understand why they didn't do for Windows what they did for Office.

People will still want to manage those servers using conventional windowed remote access applications though, which is where its more of an annoyance now.

Uh so? Now you can also manage those servers using tablets with only touch interfaces.

[x-byte]

People will still want to manage those servers using conventional windowed remote access applications though, which is where its more of an annoyance now.

You can't be serious. How is that any different now? It's like you think the desktop is gone ...

[Rickkins]

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Couldn't immediately find numbers from 2011 or 2012, but this shows 2010 and their forecast at the time.

Might I suggest those numbers don't tell the whole story. Many pc users, myself included, have never purchased a computer, and have rather built their own machines. On top of that, many folks who buy a desktop, rather than replace it with a new one, simply upgrade it themselves(or via a friend). Indeed the upgradeability of pc's is one of their major selling points. But these factors are not taken into account, thus skewering the results somewhat.

[TCA]

yeah, I don't think I'm going to even use Win 8 I really don't like the interface let alone it's design, So I'm going to stick with Win 7. But for those who like it use it =)

[NinjaGinger]

98 was nowhere near stable until 98SE came out :laugh:

XP wasn't good until SP2. Pre-SP2 it was just a malware honeypot.

Vista as an OS wasn't bad and post SP1 it was as good as 7 on my system.

7: When I installed 7 RTM on my system, boot time and general usage perf. was pretty much same as Vista. :) 7 was highly criticized for removing quicklaunch and labels and classic-start-menu etc.

I have quicklaunch and classic menu on 7 and each program is 1 click less than the standard. more efficient, But as you say, personal preferences, even less in 8 it seems. I detect a pattern.

[Dashel]

Many pc users, myself included, have never purchased a computer, and have rather built their own machines.

That's a good point. Whiteboxes do seem to be overlooked too often. I think the slow pace of business lately has given the consumer market a bit of a misleading power right now too. Far too many businesses that didn't plan for the recession (ie didn't address infrastructure during the good times or more intelligently save up to do the updates in the downtime when its cheaper) are still rocking 5+yr old XP era desktops. While some will surely be replaced with laptops, most of the ones I talk to plan on replacing with desktop PC since they are all around better performers.

For $500 I can get a slate, an entry level laptop, or a entry-mid PC. Since many already have upgraded rest of the stuff 'around' the tower. (Monitors etc) I just don't see the value proposition as anything but desktops for many of them. Most business don't need to sacrifice for mobility, as the general consumer is apt to do.