Oxford rewrites gender dress code

[Memphis]

Until public nudity is acceptable and allowed at oxford, this is political pandering.

[Knife Party]

Wrong. Pants have been used throughout history by both men and women.

Going by your logic, if it's only social concepts that identify how men and women act, dress, etc. Then why would say a guy who identifies as a women wear women's clothing, makeup, act, etc if all these are purely social concepts?

because if you are a man, who wishes to be a woman, then this is almost paradoxical. The man now emulates female construction of gender as informed by the dominant hegemony; the system of values, attitude and beliefs which shape how women and men are created in their social space. He therefore dresses like a woman to transgress the boundaries which society puts in place which rewards/punishes 'acceptable' modes of being: aka how you dress, act, let other's perceive you and the associated mannerisms and roles. They aren't purely, but to a large extent heavily associated with sociological concepts.

[Xilo]

because if you are a man, who wishes to be a woman, then this is almost paradoxical. The man now emulates female construction of gender as informed by the dominant hegemony; the system of values, attitude and beliefs which shape how women and men are created in their social space. He therefore dresses like a woman to transgress the boundaries which society puts in place which rewards/punishes 'acceptable' modes of being: aka how you dress, act, let other's perceive you and the associated mannerisms and roles.

Then he needs psychological help and is going against biological coding.

[theyarecomingforyou]

Thanks for proving my point!

Actually, you argued the opposite when you said:

Men are men and women are women. It's not even a social concept. It's completely biological.

You implied that the way a person dresses is related to biology, when it is nothing of the sort. It is a societal constraint. And it's interesting that everybody preaches and accepts equality yet at the same time so many act outraged when a man chooses to dress like a woman. It you accept equality then surely you have to accept that men and women can dress in the same manner? If not then why are you opposed to equality?

Then he needs psychological help and is going against biological coding.

People are not biologically programmed to dress in a particular way. It is a social construct, one that contradicts gender equality.

[Knife Party]

Then he needs psychological help and is going against biological coding.

lol, ok my logic and that of sociological concepts are deeply flawed, I am talking rubbish /s Your view that its all inherently biological, or coded as I may paraphrase you is the right answer I guess...

[Azusa]

Then he needs psychological help and is going against biological coding.

ummm clothing has nothing to do with Biology are you an Adam and Ever?

[Davo]

This biological coding argument when it comes to clothes is so ridiculous, especially when you think of parts of the world where they don't wear clothes at all.

[Radium]

Biological coding, clothing... WHAT?!

If there was a relation between the two then there would be equal clothing all around the world, but that's not the case. Clothing varies from region to region because it's a social construct.

[Azusa]

This biological coding argument when it comes to clothes is so ridiculous, especially when you think of parts of the world where they don't wear clothes at all.

Biological coding, clothing... WHAT?!

If there was a relation between the two then there would be equal clothing all around the world, but that's not the case. Clothing varies from region to region because it's a social construct.

Yeah if you want to use biological reasoning for clothing then surely men should be the ones to wear skirts as the less heat there is down there the more sperm is produced.

[hamslammer]

Oxford University students will no longer have to wear gender-specific academic clothing after concerns it was unfair to the transgender community.

It will mean men can attend formal occasions in skirts and stockings and women in suits and bow ties.

The new rules come after a motion by the university's Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Queer society (LGBTQ Soc).

The changes were passed by the student union and will start from next week.

Jess Pumphrey, LGBTQ Soc's executive officer, said the change would make a number of students' exam experience significantly less stressful.

Under the old laws on academic clothing - known as subfusc - male students were required to wear a dark suit and socks, black shoes, a white bow tie and a plain white shirt and collar under their black gowns.

Female students had to wear a dark skirt or trousers, a white blouse, black stockings and shoes and a black ribbon tied in a bow at the neck.

If a transgender student wanted to wear subfusc of the opposite sex they had to seek special dispensation from university proctors, who had the power to punish those who breached the rules.

An Oxford University spokesman said: "The regulations have been amended to remove any reference to gender, in response to concerns raised by Oxford University Student Union that the existing regulations did not serve the interests of transgender students."

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This is no more than crazy BS on the University's part.

[qdave]

And guys who don't identify as guys? Women who don't identify as women?

Gender is not a choice. if you dont identify as male you still have to wear male clothes and same for women(or buy unisex clothing).

[MikeChipshop Member]

Wow... choice of clothing is now biologically programmed. I must have missed that bit at school... either that or it's a complete load of crap!

[+Xinok Subscriber²]

Then he needs psychological help and is going against biological coding.

Want to talk biological? There are certain physical properties that are more prevalent in gays than straights. Scientists have found several genes linked to homosexuality. They've also been able to alter the genome of mice and other species to exhibit homosexual behavior.

There are no definitive markers, meaning homosexuality isn't purely genetic. It's most likely a combination of genetics, environmental and other factors.

https://en.wikipedia...ual_orientation

[sanctified Veteran]

Not that impressive these days.

You didn't see the report that came out the other month about how students were found drunk and almost rioting. No longer is Oxford or Cambridge for the upper class.

Since then the upper class does not missbehave?

Then they need psychological help. Men are men and women are women. It's not even a social concept. It's completely biological.

Plus it's a distraction for others in a school or work environment.

If you know biology then you should know that transgenderism is a biological phenomena, not a psychological one.

[Ryoken]

If you have a problem with how someone else dresses, you should realize, it's YOUR problem.

[MikeChipshop Member]

If you know biology then you should know that transgenderism is a biological phenomena, not a psychological one.

QFTW ^^^

Anyone that thinks gender is a simple male/female biological decision needs to look at the rest of the species through out the world.

All biological creatures exhibit different key characteristics, many choose their gender, some swap genders when they need to keep the species alive.

[DaveLegg Developer]

Gender is not a choice. if you dont identify as male you still have to wear male clothes and same for women(or buy unisex clothing).

Sex and gender are very different things. Sex relates to biology, what chromosomes you possess (xx/xy) whereas gender is a psychological construct.

[tiagosilva29]

Another thread merged to the LGBT Issues in 3... 2...

[ArialBlue]

Some people really love when everything in their word fits perfectly in a schema....

[*RedBull*]

Indeed we as a whole as the sum of the bits and nibbles of society continue an ever increasing inward circular motion down the shine white porcelain throne. This is not advancement but rather a depreciation of what society should be. Alas, it is the nature of the human condition to repeat the failures of the past and push forward until the black abyss consumes all.

[*RedBull*]

QFTW ^^^

Anyone that thinks gender is a simple male/female biological decision needs to look at the rest of the species through out the world.

All biological creatures exhibit different key characteristics, many choose their gender, some swap genders when they need to keep the species alive.

I see the problem now. Those who liken themselves to be like animals find the gender identification to be problematic where those who observe the distinction with ease do not. Thanks for making that point clear.

[MikeChipshop Member]

I think the main problem here is a lot of the members have neglected to pick and read a book in their life.

If you think we're so biologically different from other animals then that proves my theory above.

[Azusa]

I think the main problem here is a lot of the members have neglected to pick and read a book in their life.

If you think we're so biologically different from other animals then that proves my theory above.

That or they've been reading that book!

[Memphis]

Again, until nudism is allowed at oxford this is political pandering and not a freeing of the dress code. This is so crazy that everyone is getting involved in this political degenderization. I still remember the article in my sociology class called "Welcome to your world, Baby" which went as far as to say that all of gender but the physical bits was completely a construct and their was zero mental difference with a boy or girl at birth at all. It was biologically and psychologically wrong.

[MikeChipshop Member]

That or they've been reading that book!

Ah... That book! ;)