Oxford rewrites gender dress code

[Xilo]

What if the guys aren't wearing the skirts to be like a woman? We're digressing to some degree, but it makes sense in connection with the article.

If a male student decides to wear a skirt to school, what is wrong with it? Does he need to say why he is wearing the skirt? If he does need to say, do you find there to be a difference between the answer of "I'm wearing it for the airflow" and "I'm wearing it because it makes me feel good about myself"?

Why would you wear clothing designed for women if not for 1) attention 2) they want to be a woman?

I notice that you're still sticking with the idea that skirts are for girls, trousers are for boys. In fairness a similar mindset was popular in the Victorian times, but then one woman went against it and started wearing trousers. Now look where we are, trousers are worn by both genders!

Actually. Pants (trousers) were historically worn by both genders. It's only the west where it wasn't the norm for the longest time. It's not so much sticking to the idea that skirts are for girls and pants are for boys. It's more along the lines of skirts are designed for women and not for men.

Finally, how do you define "part of their culture"? I mean, do you imagine the first Scot to wear a kilt was mocked by his village? How long does something need to continue for before it becomes "part of the culture"? If I started wearing a skirt tomorrow, I may be mocked. But if the trend kicks off and 100 years from now all guys in Switzerland are wearing skirts, does that make it part of the culture, or does that just make us a bunch of weirdos?

Well read up on the history of the kilt. It actually served a purpose and was modified for another purpose. You will be a bunch of weirdos because you are wearing clothes designed for women.

[SoCalRox]

And DNA is controlled by the spirit, which can change. ;)

Ummmm... no.

[Hum]

Ummmm... no.

"You have much to learn, young grasshopper" ;)

[+Xinok Subscriber²]

Humans simply haven't evolved to the point that we find a persons gender irrelevant. In other species, appearance plays a large role in choosing a mate, something which evolved as it proved beneficial to finding the mate with the best genetics. Men evolved to be more muscular and athletic because men were responsible for hunting and defending, while women would care for the children.

But things have changed significantly. Today, we live in a society where the differences in gender are mostly no longer needed. It's okay for a woman to have a career or for men to care for the children. But the biology we inherited from our ancestors sticks with us to this day, and it continues to be a barrier to progress and equality.

As for the original article, are people really so cynical? Students at Oxford are no longer required to dress a certain way based on their gender. Who cares if this move was politically motivated, it's a positive change regardless. Be happy about it!

[SoCalRox]

"You have much to learn, young grasshopper" ;)

Ahhh, Hum, if only I WERE a young grasshapper. Alas, I am close to the end of my 6th decade...

[Noir Angel]

Sorry but some things just aren't appropriate for certain environments.

Ahh, you mean it's more appropriate to oppress people than to tell ignorant people to take their ignorance and shove it?

[Guest nicconics]

Ahh, you mean it's more appropriate to oppress people than to tell ignorant people to take their ignorance and shove it?

Yes.

[Xilo]

Ahh, you mean it's more appropriate to oppress people than to tell ignorant people to take their ignorance and shove it?

<snipped> Take this example. It's not appropriate for a girl going to school to be dressing like she's from a titty bar. Likewise, it's not appropriate for a salesman in a tech corporation to be meeting customers in drag.

Edited July 31, 2012 by Calum
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[nominak]

<snipped> Take this example. It's not appropriate for a girl going to school to be dressing like she's from a titty bar. Likewise, it's not appropriate for a salesman in a tech corporation to be meeting customers in drag.

And those are your opinions.

[Xilo]

And those are your opinions.

Opinions which are consistent with the majority. Some things are just not appropriate for certain environments no matter how much you want to argue against it.

[nominak]

Opinions which are consistent with the majority. Some things are just not appropriate for certain environments no matter how much you want to argue against it.

Like I said. It's YOUR opinion. IF you get offended by it, that's YOUR problem.

[Xilo]

Like I said. It's YOUR opinion. IF you get offended by it, that's YOUR problem.

Like I said. You're wrong. You are the extreme minority. Just because you think you're a special butterfly that needs to express themselves wherever they want to, it's not appropriate.

[nominak]

Like I said. You're wrong. You are the extreme minority. Just because you think you're a special butterfly that needs to express themselves wherever they want to, it's not appropriate.

I don't need to express myself. I just don't give a **** if someone else wants to. It's none of my business. and it's also none of yours.

[Calum Veteran]

Xilo, I think the main problem with your opposition to this is that no one is being harmed by a man wearing a skirt, are they? A man wearing what is deemed by many to be "women's clothes" harms no one, yet stopping him from wearing those clothes negatively effects his life because he is banned from expressing himself (even though him expressing himself causes no harm to anyone). So why be against it? :)

[Southern Patriot]

Why would you wear clothing designed for women if not for 1) attention 2) they want to be a woman?

Comfort maybe?

[Noir Angel]

Xilo, I think the main problem with your opposition to this is that no one is being harmed by a man wearing a skirt, are they? A man wearing what is deemed by many to be "women's clothes" harms no one, yet stopping him from wearing those clothes negatively effects his life because he is banned from expressing himself (even though him expressing himself causes no harm to anyone). So why be against it? :)

The only people that ever get offended by it are narrow minded hypocrites. People seem to have some problem realising that society is there for everyone, not just them. Transgender people and cross dressers are largely accepted and ignored in the UK, sadly in a lot of other parts of the world (particularly those still dominated by religion) those people are still belittled and treated like crap. It's about time people grew up and joined the 21st century, being a bigot is no longer cool or cute.

[Ryoken]

I love when people like Xilo says the Majority agrees with him..

The Majority doesn't care. Whenever you see a poll about what people think, the majority of people don't take it.. The simple fact is the majority of people don't care about a lot of things, one way or the other.. It doesn't affect their lives in any meaningful way, so why should they.. A guy wearing a skirt, or a women in a Tie has no effect on me.. It doesn't keep me from going on about my life just the same as I did before they were.

Anyone saying that their lives will be affected by this is just speaking bull****. It's the same BS that was said about Gays being open, Women voting, Minorities having rights, etc.. Small views by small minded individuals who have such a narrow mind they can't cope with anything that is beyond their small viewpoints.. But thankfully after a generation, they turn into a dying breed that people generally only reference for comedy value..

[Xilo]

The Majority doesn't care. Whenever you see a poll about what people think, the majority of people don't take it.. The simple fact is the majority of people don't care about a lot of things, one way or the other.. It doesn't affect their lives in any meaningful way, so why should they.. A guy wearing a skirt, or a women in a Tie has no effect on me.. It doesn't keep me from going on about my life just the same as I did before they were.

Nobody really cares what you do outside of whatever you do. I never said all environments. If you want to look like a retard outside of whatever, than by all means look like a retard.

I specifically said certain environments which is what the majority will agree with.

[Noir Angel]

Well Oxford's legislators changed their rules so evidently they don't agree with you.

[Xilo]

Well Oxford's legislators changed their rules so evidently they don't agree with you.

Okay? The decision was made by a few people representing a private university in a small country. Your point being?

[Noir Angel]

My point being that your argument is rubbish. Oxford's rulings are in line with most other institutions in this country now.

[DaveLegg Developer]

Likewise, it's not appropriate for a salesman in a tech corporation to be meeting customers in drag.

There is a huge difference between a man dressing as a woman, and a man dressing in drag.

[Hum]

^ That's what I told my date. :s

Ahhh, Hum, if only I WERE a young grasshapper. Alas, I am close to the end of my 6th decade...

Then you may soon change. ;)

[Azies]

I personally disagree, I think they should keep their dress code, but it's good for the general population, and that trumps my opinion.

[Nick H. Supervisor]

Why would you wear clothing designed for women if not for 1) attention 2) they want to be a woman?

You say that it's clothing designed for women. I say it's clothing. That's the main point you seem to be missing. You keep trying to orient an inanimate object towards a gender.

Actually. Pants (trousers) were historically worn by both genders. It's only the west where it wasn't the norm for the longest time. It's not so much sticking to the idea that skirts are for girls and pants are for boys. It's more along the lines of skirts are designed for women and not for men.

You're right, trousers (pants are the things I wear under my trousers) were worn by both genders. Trousers are not gender specific. Why do skirts need to be?

Well read up on the history of the kilt. It actually served a purpose and was modified for another purpose.

Since I don't want to get a PhD in kilts I went to wikipedia. Apparently the great kilt served the purpose of being a cloak as well as a kilt. All other kilts were just forms of clothing.

You will be a bunch of weirdos because you are wearing clothes designed for women.

Technically we'll be a bunch of weirdos because we're wearing clothing that you would normally see on a woman. If I went to a tailor, I wouldn't say, "make me a man's skirt." I would say, "make me a skirt." I'm pretty sure that the finished product would look very similar to a woman's skirt (perhaps slimmer around the waist, mind).