suggestion can we get this mod installed on here?

[Raa]

ATM there are no plans to upgrade IPB ;) I can't really say much more than that at this time.

Translation : Sounds like Neowin's going to use something other than IPB in the future. :p

Edit : Oops, didn't see page 2! :/

[HawkMan]

And what do you think about IPB hawkman?

one of the best BB's out there, not sure I'd say it's worth the license though, not with the upgrade issues and such at least. But it beats vB in any case, especially since I know off the arrogant something that started developing. not sure if the reference to a person named tachy when setting a user on global ignore is still there. But that was the devs "mature" response to getting banned for being an idiot on a forum by the owner of said forum.

[remixedcat]

Ha ha just read on that VB thing and that's funny. But sad at the same time. LOL. Thanks for the notes on that hawk. The whole VB thing is a soap opera. I read it all.

For my clients IPB is very much worth it though.

[HawkMan]

IPB is great, I ran it myself on a forum back when it was free. And if your site is small to medium, then it's probably worth the license as well. But for a site like neowin, it doesn't seem like it. Too many issues with updates, and performance issues. It seems they have problems scaling, and the constant theme changes. Of course the performance issues could be party caused by neowins distributed server setup, but it doesn't seem neowin is the ony big site affected.

[remixedcat]

I've adminned 4 IPB boards. Always preferred it.

[Xilo]

Yup. Neowin are developing their own - many advantages to this including more features, improved security if done right and reduced cost.

Not really. IPB is a very mature product. A lot of work has gone into features, bug fixes, and security. No way a brand new product would have the same level of maturity.

Also, if anything it would cost even more. It costs more to create a new product than to maintain and improve an existing product and way more than to just buy a license.

[Growled Member]

Yup. Neowin are developing their own - many advantages to this including more features, improved security if done right and reduced cost.

More like reinventing the wheel.

[HawkMan]

Not really. IPB is a very mature product. A lot of work has gone into features, bug fixes, and security. No way a brand new product would have the same level of maturity.

Also, if anything it would cost even more. It costs more to create a new product than to maintain and improve an existing product and way more than to just buy a license.

Except as has been pointed out the constant problems itch upgrading the site. Every time the time the site has been slow for weeks and had to have features turned off. In addition to the skin issues. It just doesn't scale up well to neowin size sites.

And since they are just making a site and backend for themselves, it's a lot less work than a full cms.

[Xilo]

Except as has been pointed out the constant problems itch upgrading the site. Every time the time the site has been slow for weeks and had to have features turned off. In addition to the skin issues. It just doesn't scale up well to neowin size sites.

And since they are just making a site and backend for themselves, it's a lot less work than a full cms.

Again, there will be more bugs, security holes, etc. It will take a long while to get something up to an even remotely similar maturity level. This costs a lot more time and money than to just deal with upgrading.

[Major General]

The only real skin changes with ipb is mainly CSS if they don't want to manually do it they can always use the template merger to do the fixes for them

[DaveLegg Developer]

It would affect far more than the skin as we have over a hundred custom modifications we make to the IPB codebase to provide the feature set you guys enjoy on Neowin. Every time we upgrade, we have to re-do those changes.

[Noir Angel]

IPB is nice board software but it's a real PITA to modify, update and skin. If Neowin is going to be launched with it's own custom board software it would make a lot more sense due to the amount of modifications in use here. If you have a vanilla IPB setup it's not much of an issue

[Major General]

sheesh, why not prepare for the update by having a test board?

[DaveLegg Developer]

sheesh, why not prepare for the update by having a test board?

...we do

[Brandon H Supervisor]

sheesh, why not prepare for the update by having a test board?

they do and it still ends up being a PITA

[HawkMan]

Also as for the maturity, they already have half a custom cms of their own, the front page is all custom. Except the user db suff.

[Steven P. Administrators]

A test board with no load on it is no substitute for a real world environment, we found this out when we upgraded to 3.0 (despite heavy testing) underlying code was found where all of our board URLs where being reindexed by search engines, which in turn brought the site down for a few days while we tried to rectify it, at one point we even reverted back to 2.3.x. Invision Power Services finally found the issue and patched it in a future release. So we did some unexpected real world testing for them when it wasn't even the intention to do so!

This is just one example..

Our CMS can stand up to much more than the forums, and is already matured. So I reckon we'll benefit greatly from using it.

Whenever we're slashdotted or whatever, the forums go down, the main site keeps running, and usually thats where the hits are going to anyway.

[remixedcat]

How helpful as Invision been to you overall with everything?

[Tom]

ATM there are no plans to upgrade IPB ;) I can't really say much more than that at this time.

You'll make Timan cry if you were to. :p

[Steven P. Administrators]

How helpful as Invision been to you overall with everything?

Very helpful, can't complain there at all.

[n_K]

It's the same with everything as it becomes over-complicated and codes just keeps getting added instead of things being improved. As I said ages ago, give hiphop a try :p although knowing IPB it'll use evals and unsupported syntax.

[remixedcat]

Very helpful, can't complain there at all.

Another reason I love IPS. The tech completely fixed my board's really wonky problem in less then 40 minutes after I submitted the ticket. ;) I was a happy cat.

[MikeChipshop Member]

Good to hear Neowin is working on it's own system but equally glad in the meantime they use IPB... imagine if this site ran on VBull! *shudders*

[Timan Veteran]

Good to hear Neowin is working on it's own system but equally glad in the meantime they use IPB... imagine if this site ran on VBull! *shudders*

Used too back in the golden era of vb2.x

[remixedcat]