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I'm not really surprised that Samsung lost, their own lawyers couldn't tell their products apart from Apples in court.

The excuses are funny though (The law is wrong! The judge is wrong! The jury is wrong!), it couldn't possibly be due to Samsung just copying Apple (like their own documents said they should)

In other news today,

Motorola lost its case against Apple

http://www.appleinsi...import_ban.html

This is from April, and doesn't include one non essential standards based patent, plus Google submitted 7 more non essential standards patents that Apple infringes. Don't worry Apple might still very well get banned, though this is really not about justice or law, this is about protecting US stock market and why Apple will be favored by courts despite stealing other companies' innovations which basically shows this whole thing is a farce.

But you know in the end, trolls and this whole BS how Apple is the only innovator won't stop the whole world because most of the world is not as corrupt as US patent system and why Apple can really count on this stuff only in US. They won't stop Android and innovation from stomping all over them. Only at the expense of American consumer.

I'm not really surprised that Samsung lost, their own lawyers couldn't tell their products apart from Apples in court.

The excuses are funny though (The law is wrong! The judge is wrong! The jury is wrong!), it couldn't possibly be due to Samsung just copying Apple (like their own documents said they should)

Watch that TED talk I posted, it should explain it to you why it's wrong. The best stuff starts at 4:40

This is from April, and doesn't include one non essential standards based patent, plus Google submitted 7 more non essential standards patents that Apple infringes. Don't worry Apple might still very well get banned, though this is really not about justice or law, this is about protecting US stock market and why Apple will be favored by courts despite stealing other companies' innovations which basically shows this whole thing is a farce.

But you know in the end, trolls and this whole BS how Apple is the only innovator won't stop the whole world because most of the world is not as corrupt as US patent system and why Apple can really count on this stuff only in US. They won't stop Android and innovation from stomping all over them. Only at the expense of American consumer.

You can keep on wishing and hoping.

I'm not really surprised that Samsung lost, their own lawyers couldn't tell their products apart from Apples in court.

The excuses are funny though (The law is wrong! The judge is wrong! The jury is wrong!), it couldn't possibly be due to Samsung just copying Apple (like their own documents said they should)

Exactly how I feel.

And this is how it went down with regards to the Samsung lawyer who couldn't tell the difference between an iPad and a Samsung Tablet at 10 feet.

Reuters reports the horrific embarrassment: when a Samsung attorney was asked by U.S. District Judge Lucy Koh whether they could tell which tablet was which, what was the response? "Not at this distance, your honor."

Even Apples own icon designer for the iPhone was confused about which handset was which and when trying to explain some of her icon philosophies on the iPhone mistakenly picked up a Samsung phone instead and only noticed her error after someone pointed it out to her.

I have never owned an Apple iphone or a Samsung galaxy S phone but I can tell them apart quite easily as a matter of fact I could probably tell apart a Galaxy S II phone from an iphone with my eyes shut, blindfolded and one hand tied behind my back... what is wrong with people?

At the end of the day everyone is at fault here and most of all the patent system.

Even Apples own icon designer for the iPhone was confused about which handset was which and when trying to explain some of her icon philosophies on the iPhone mistakenly picked up a Samsung phone instead and only noticed her error after someone pointed it out to her.

BUT THAT WAS A DELIBERATE PLOY AGAINST SAMSUNG!!!!

/s :shifty:

Even Apples own icon designer for the iPhone was confused about which handset was which and when trying to explain some of her icon philosophies on the iPhone mistakenly picked up a Samsung phone instead and only noticed her error after someone pointed it out to her.

really? she couldn't tell them apart? moron of the year right there.... she should be embarrassed!

The excuses are funny though (The law is wrong! The judge is wrong! The jury is wrong!), it couldn't possibly be due to Samsung just copying Apple (like their own documents said they should)

They both copy each other, which is why rulings vary wildly from country to country. For instance, South Korea found both Samsung and Apple guilty of infringing each other's patents and banned products by both companies from sale. However, it really isn't surprising that a US court sided with a US company.

This type of theatrics was done deliberately.. you can be 100% certain that the lawyer instructed her to do that.

and if the opposite happened you would find another conspiracy to push apple hate

i am glad of the verdict, it will lead to changes where the UI just wont be a grid of tiles, why i like the WinMo 7 /8 UI alot as well as PalmOS UI to a degree, i like HTC's Sense when not gridded out and has alot of wigets going on.

imo a smart device needs some sort of Interactivity bedsides a grid of icons, something the iPhone and bunch of Androids ( sans widgets ) lack. a Smart device shouldn't look like a kitchen floor with stickers on it

Just goes to show the dishonest tactics of Apple and the disgusting levels they'll go to to win a case.

apple must have payed off Samsungs lawyers for making the same mistake earlier in the case then i guess ?

This was clear when Microsoft collected money from almost every Android manufacturer - including samsung. Apple can now go after every Android manufacturer.wonder who's next - HTC?

bigger question is, what happens to android now? will Google license technology from Apple?

This was clear when Microsoft collected money from almost every Android manufacturer - including samsung. Apple can now go after every Android manufacturer.wonder who's next - HTC?

bigger question is, what happens to android now? will Google license technology from Apple?

I'm not sure they'd have much of a case with HTC. Sense is massively different from the iOS launcher, the icon design is distinctly un-Apple like if I remember correctly and the devices are designed intentionally not to look like Apple devices.

However given that Sony and Nokia were the only brands mentioned that had a unique design compared to iPhone/iOS, I wouldn't be too surprised. However, my opinion is that the case wouldn't be quite as cut and dry as this one.

I got a question. How is it that BF Goodrich, Yokohama, Dunlop, Hankook, etc...can all make a round...16/17/18/19/20 inch object that is black in color, has a tread, fits on another round object, and from 4 feet away cannot be told apart from another, and yet they don't get sued?

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I got a question. How is it that BF Goodrich, Yokohama, Dunlop, Hankook, etc...can all make a round...16/17/18/19/20 inch object that is black in color, has a tread, fits on another round object, and from 4 feet away cannot be told apart from another, and yet they don't get sued?

lol true but i'm sure the rubber used, treads etc are patented

I got a question. How is it that BF Goodrich, Yokohama, Dunlop, Hankook, etc...can all make a round...16/17/18/19/20 inch object that is black in color, has a tread, fits on another round object, and from 4 feet away cannot be told apart from another, and yet they don't get sued?

Does anyone have the patent on the tyre? Given that tyres have been around forever, I would suspect that the patent would now have expired. Or they could all have a broad cross-licensing agreement between them.

Now these brands can patent aspects of their tyre designs: i.e. construction, tread design etc - and then if that was copied in an obvious way without a licensing agreement, then they could be sued.

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