Window 8 RTM defragger

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http://www.piriform.com/defraggler

Piriform makes some great products, defraggler has been updated to support windows 8

Wtf? You probably don't know anything. Defraggler hasnt been updated since May 2012. It doesn't support Windows 8 yet. And you can see it by the fact that when yuo clean install Windows 8 and try to defragment it using Defraggler, it says 3+ GB is fragmented. And the only file is pagefile.sys, which should be in orange and not red, thus, not fragmented. Don't post crap.

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Personally, I've been using Auslogics Disk Defrag for about 3 years now. I stopped using Diskeeper when I learned

the CEO of the company was/is a hardcore Scientologist. I hope you paid nothing towards your use of Diskeeper,

due to it's links with an evil, money grabbing, brain washing cult, that masquerades as a "religion" . . .

i think you would have to stop buying MOST products in the world if you based your purchases on the peoples values/religion that own/run/work at the company
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i think you would have to stop buying MOST products in the world if you based your purchases on the peoples values/religion that own/run/work at the company

I'm an agnostic-leaning-atheist; however, I'm far from a militant.

I've also read quite a bit of L. Ron Hubbard (not just "Battlefield Earth", his seminal SF work; but also the entire ten volume magnum opus "The Invaders Plan", though I've had to haunt used book shops and libraries to find volumes I hadn't purchased or read - and that was AFTER I got the Scientology connection).

I have as much (or little) opinion about Scientology as I do other religions (except for the Roman Catholic Church, for which I have mostly scorn - however, that scorn is based entirely on indisputable PUBLIC RECORD, not conspiracy theories); however, as much as I WANT to trust scientific theory, there is still way too much that science is unable to explain to make me completely comfortable.

Militancy - in anything - all too often leads to major cases of foot-in-mouth disease.

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This is what I thought as well but never looked into it that much. It seems the built in option has been improved quite a bit over it's Windows 7 counterpart. I also don't see a reason to use something else, I use the built in defragger in Win7 as well.

I posted about Disk Optimizer back in the Microsoft Beta forum (specifically about the Consumer Preview) as part of my top ten new or improved features for Windows 7 users.

The fact that it mooted Diskeeper Pro Premier (both Disk Optimizer/Defragmenter and Diskeeper have come from the same company since Windows NT) was decidedly something from WAY out in Wrong Field precisely *because* of that seemingly designed-in upgrade path that's been around since - as I said before - Windows NT.

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Show us a screen shot of how advanced it is side by side with one of the other tools mentioned and back it up...2...3...4!

How is a screenshot of anything proof of being advanced ? options and switches are not "advanced" it's fluff.

Have you even read the thread ? the disk optimizer in Win8 is and improved version of what is arguably the best defragmenter on the market.

Screenshots.... :no:

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OK, That's fine if you don't wanna put in the effort to further prove yourself than that's ok ;)

what exactly am I supposed to prove ?

Can you please explain to me how a screenshot shows how advanced a defrag algorithm is ?

As for how it's better, as I said, it's already described earlier in in this thread. and again, it's an improved version of what is already considered the best industry defrag tool.

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what exactly am I supposed to prove ?

Can you please explain to me how a screenshot shows how advanced a defrag algorithm is ?

As for how it's better, as I said, it's already described earlier in in this thread. and again, it's an improved version of what is already considered the best industry defrag tool.

Well you're the expert on windows 8 and I need more convincing it's the best OS ever... so, proceed.....

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The only good thing about the included defragmenter is the SSD Optimizer. Yes it does multipass on HDDs but it still (Over Time) doesn't defrag all files and it doesn't completely consolidate free space over time. And the built in defragger doesn't defrag the system files or Hibernation file or the System restore files. If you want to resize a partition, you need to defrag and consolidate free space completely; otherwise you may have trouble choosing the size you want. Anyway, Unfortunately PerfectDisk (My Favorite) is not yet ready for Windows 8. But once it is windows 8 compatible I will be sure to use it. So until then you can use Defraggler. BTW, I'm a defragging geek and I will tell you that I very much dislike diskeeper(All versions).

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HawkMan

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Well you're the expert on windows 8 and I need more convincing it's the best OS ever... so, proceed.....

So read the previous post.

and I'm still waiting on you to explain how a screenshot shows a better defrag and optimization algorithm. Especially since all the free defraggers only does defrag.

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So read the previous post.

and I'm still waiting on you to explain how a screenshot shows a better defrag and optimization algorithm. Especially since all the free defraggers only does defrag.

well which has more features, a better display to give you the clearest, most concises data, and actually gives you a useable ETA????

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I'm an agnostic-leaning-atheist; however, I'm far from a militant.

I've also read quite a bit of L. Ron Hubbard (not just "Battlefield Earth", his seminal SF work; but also the entire ten volume magnum opus "The Invaders Plan", though I've had to haunt used book shops and libraries to find volumes I hadn't purchased or read - and that was AFTER I got the Scientology connection).

I have as much (or little) opinion about Scientology as I do other religions (except for the Roman Catholic Church, for which I have mostly scorn - however, that scorn is based entirely on indisputable PUBLIC RECORD, not conspiracy theories); however, as much as I WANT to trust scientific theory, there is still way too much that science is unable to explain to make me completely comfortable.

Militancy - in anything - all too often leads to major cases of foot-in-mouth disease.

One doesn't have to be a hardcore Atheist to recognise the dangers of Scientology anyway, even most Christians and Muslims realise how dangerous it is.

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Im amazed that some of you dont use software because its CEO (the guy basically doesnt write any program code o algorithm) has relgious views different than yours.

Man, this world is ****ed up....

I don't think the issue is really the CEO's religious views. I think the issue is that he doesn't keep them separate from his business and in fact does the complete opposite, that being building the foundation of his business upon that religion. All employees are indoctrinated with the words of L. Ron Hubbard & Hubbard's works have shaped company policy.

What a person believes in is their business. However, when they take those beliefs & instruct their company to deny tech support that has been bought and paid for to companies that have developed prescription drugs then they are asking the public to judge them on their religious beliefs & company policies because they have thrust their beliefs into the public spotlight.

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One doesn't have to be a hardcore Atheist to recognise the dangers of Scientology anyway, even most Christians and Muslims realise how dangerous it is.

I don't think the issue is really the CEO's religious views. I think the issue is that he doesn't keep them separate from his business and in fact does the complete opposite, that being building the foundation of his business upon that religion. All employees are indoctrinated with the words of L. Ron Hubbard & Hubbard's works have shaped company policy.

What a person believes in is their business. However, when they take those beliefs & instruct their company to deny tech support that has been bought and paid for to companies that have developed prescription drugs then they are asking the public to judge them on their religious beliefs & company policies because they have thrust their beliefs into the public spotlight.

What does your comments have to do with Win8 defragger?

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well which has more features, a better display to give you the clearest, most concises data, and actually gives you a useable ETA????

And what relevance does ANY of those have to the actual quality of the defrag quality ? some of them would be just confusing, like the graphical display. I assume you mean something like the old block diagrams of the ancient defrag apps. Absolutely pointless fluff that does NOTHING. and with modern defrag apps that also optimizes data placement, and places most used files in the fastest to reach places for the head, and files that may not be related but are most often read sequentially, sequentially, This kind of display would in fact make a perfectly optimized disk appear fragmented.

As for an ETA. why would I need it. my disks are 0 to 2% fragmented at all times because the built in disk optimizer runs at least once a week, defragmenting and optimizing my disk without me noticing. so the built in might give me an ETA if I ever bother to run it manually, there's just no need to.

And since it optimizes placement of data beyong just placing them sequentially, but based on actual usage patterns, the built in is better than pretty much EVERY free program out there. and while there may be one or two expensive commercial solutions that are better, the degree to which they are better would amount to a few nanoseconds saved over an entire day.

or to sum up. YOU DON'T NEED 3RD PARTY DEFRAGGERS. At best they don't have any effect, at worst they will give you poorer performance.

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