Is Windows 8 an indictment of OS X, Linux, all other Desktop OSes?


Recommended Posts

The recent revelation that Start Menu replacements have been downloaded over 8 million times, and the majority of those a paid $5 app is an incredibly high number. If a new desktop OS sold 8 million copies it would be considered a success in a market completely dominated by Microsoft and Windows.

Windows 8 clearly has flaws in the Modern UI, significant (non-TAPplet applications are non-existent) and it will be almost a year before Microsoft begins to fix flaws and answer critics demands for improvement.

Yet despite no buzz, lackluster sales, no major applications or games, pitiful Windows RT sales, users have no option other than to wait for Blue or stay with Windows 7.

Yet do Start Menu replacements show that desktop users ARE willing to purchase an alternative UI. Is the problem therefore then, despite years of opportunity to develop their OSes and applications, the fact that millions still wait for Windows 8 to be fixed or remain with Windows 7 an indictment of OS X and Linux? Open Office, GIMP, lack of gaming support, etc. In the case of OS X what many view as a less productive windowing/multitasking (yes its arguable but we're talking about users who have already chosen Windows) and a closed hardware (read, no clones) environment.

Given the competitions refusal to address the needs of hundreds of millions, perhaps Microsoft deserves a second chance to fix the things that ail Windows 8, and perhaps developers deserve just a little more time to produce meaningful Modern UI apps when the OS makes that more reasonable to do (Blue).

Let's face it, Apple has a golden opportunity to widen it's lead and leave WP8 and Microsoft's pitiful opening tablet initiative in the dust. Yet iOS remains stagnant. The introduction of cheaper iPhones is a perfect time to refresh the UI and add even more capabilities. Yet, nothing. Android is going to more or less stay the same, wide open, and will probably always be ~40% of the market without doing anything particularly great. Though technically the OS just supports a lot of cool stuff.

So, what's your take on this perspective? If Windows 8 isn't all that great, how bad does that make everyone else who cannot capitalize?

Yet despite no buzz, lackluster sales, no major applications or games, pitiful Windows RT sales, users have no option other than to wait for Blue or stay with Windows 7.

that's a complete fabrication. sales of windows 8 are not even close to lackluster(100 million in 6 months), and there are a bunch of major apps last time I checked.

threads with deliberate misinformation should be closed.

Yet do Start Menu replacements show that desktop users ARE willing to purchase an alternative UI. Is the problem therefore then, despite years of opportunity to develop their OSes and applications, the fact that millions still wait for Windows 8 to be fixed or remain with Windows 7 an indictment of OS X and Linux?

Consider this:

If the supporters of Windows 8 are right in saying the critics of Metro just don't like change, then they surely wouldn't like to change to OS X or Linux, either. In which case it wouldn't be an indictment of those operating systems anymore than its an indictment of Windows 8.

OK, I'm not saying I agree with that.

There are people on this forum who use both Linux and Windows. Those people are obviously not afraid of change. But what about the average Joe user, who was convinced by some techie in their family to install Start8? Why is there only one type of user we're talking about and one type of answer?

I should state that I'm skeptical about what the download numbers mean. The Stardock CEO says there have been four million downloads (not purchases, but downloads), but the "Try it free!" link on Stardock's site goes to CNET and that only shows 450,000 downloads. So are we to assume that most average users bought right away rather than try it free first? It makes no sense to me. And why didn't the CEO cite purchases, not downloads? Who knows.

Yet despite no buzz, lackluster sales, no major applications or games, pitiful Windows RT sales, users have no option other than to wait for Blue or stay with Windows 7.

Sure they do, assuming for the sake of argument that a previous build of Windows or another OS isn't an option, which obviously isn't true. If the start screen bothers them that badly there's a number of replacements they can put on instead, some free, some paid. You can even get the actual Windows 7 shell in seconds right off the Windows 7 ISO if you so desired. "Problem" solved. Yea, change can suck sometimes, but it's not like you're stuck with it, and they can't possibly cater to everybody. It's just an out of the box default... it's not like you're forced to use it and they'll cut you off if you don't want to. (Nothing new.. you could change this since the last century...) Some people ranted on about Vista and 7's start menu, should have stuck with XP's menu. There's even a few that lamented the loss of the 9x/2K style. Honestly wouldn't surprise me to see somebody wanting Program Manager back. So should Microsoft be crucified for not giving all these options out of the box?

So, what's your take on this perspective? If Windows 8 isn't all that great, how bad does that make everyone else who cannot capitalize?

Just my own opinion of course, but if you're the type who's offended by the start screen, replace it, and then the desktop experience is pretty much identical to 7, along with a few spiffy new features. You never ever have to see a metro application if you so desire. Ok, yea, the default skin is a tad on the fugly/boring side, I won't argue that one, but you can replace that too.

As far as Linux, OSX and other alternatives go... if I wanted to use them, I would be. For me, no. I've got a Hackintosh that I toy with from time to time, and I've been using *Nix long before Linus decided to make a Minix "knockoff". Haven't had any real motivation to switch yet, neither suit my need, and I doubt you'll see much (if any) change in how many people use them. Not bad mouthing them, just lacking in what I need them to do. If I was that afraid of change, I certainly wouldn't switch to a completely "alien" operating system which would be an even bigger change, never mind losing access to the crapton of software that I have to begin with, and that doesn't include games. (Which for me isn't a big issue either way.) If it makes some person feel better "sticking it to the man" by throwing it all away, by all means go for it.

  • Like 2
Yet do Start Menu replacements show that desktop users ARE willing to purchase an alternative UI

No, quite the opposite. This is evidence that users simply do not like/want/need (whichever) change. Their is resistance is so great that they will purchase additional software to make the UI work the way they are used to. They don't want an alternative UI, they want the UI they are accustomed to.

No interest in using Linux as my primary OS since it's more of a hobbyist thing for me, and I just switched back to Windows from Mac after discovering how much more productive I was in Windows 7 over Mac OS... still waiting for some more refinement to Windows 8 before upgrading (although I do own a copy or Windows 8 Pro)

So based on my experience, I'd say Windows 7 is still the best option out for those who don't want to move to Windows 8 yet.

Consider this:

I should state that I'm skeptical about what the download numbers mean. The Stardock CEO says there have been four million downloads (not purchases, but downloads), but the "Try it free!" link on Stardock's site goes to CNET and that only shows 450,000 downloads. So are we to assume that most average users bought right away rather than try it free first? It makes no sense to me. And why didn't the CEO cite purchases, not downloads? Who knows.

THIS is the elephant in the room, the free downloads are 400K WHICH includes redownloads and whatever, then once we weed out the people that never bought it (70%) and the people that just uninstalled it once they failed to see any use of it I think we are getting down to an absolute maximum of 50K, probably more realistically around 10K which is normal for any version of windows!

  • Like 2

The recent revelation that Start Menu replacements have been downloaded over 8 million times, and the majority of those a paid $5 app is an incredibly high number.

Nobody has sold 8 million copies of anything. Not even close. Like, nowhere near that.

3 of the 8 million were a free app. And most of the 5 million downloads of Start8 were free downloads before they started charging money. This number includes re-downloads, which is particularly important because there have been several versions released. This cumulative total includes all beta versions and updates when you re-downloaded.

Given this, and the fact that Windows 8 has been out for 20 months now (since Win8 Developer Preview)... I'm surprised the number isn't higher.

that's a complete fabrication. sales of windows 8 are not even close to lackluster(100 million in 6 months), and there are a bunch of major apps last time I checked.

threads with deliberate misinformation should be closed.

give me a break vcfan. You're a blatant zealot with a complete unwillingness to hear or discuss civilly anything other than anything Microsoft/Windows is nirvana. Anything remotely negative or unflattering about Windows or Microsoft is misinformation or a grand conspiracy theme.

You claim all these major Modern UI apps but list NONE. When those do, they list OneNote MX, and Twitter or IRC tapplets. Those are not Major applications. Office, Photoshop, Visio, Major full blown games, etc. are major applications not tapplets.

100 million licenses is de facto based on the fact that it is the current shipping version of Windows. The number of OEM statements lamenting the lackluster impact Windows 8 has had is more than enough to justify the comment.

Contribute something to the perspective, or do me a favor and just go the **** away and microbate in and all over your own thread.

Nobody has sold 8 million copies of anything. Not even close. Like, nowhere near that.

Understood: The recent revelation that Start Menu replacements have been downloaded over 8 million times.

I'm not sure whether or not they are sold are free is "that" relevant to the desire for them. Though the #1 product, Start8, is a $5 product.

  • Like 2

Understood: The recent revelation that Start Menu replacements have been downloaded over 8 million times.

I'm not sure whether or not they are sold are free is "that" relevant to the desire for them. Though the #1 product, Start8, is a $5 product.

I can agree with that - free isn't that relevant. My main point is re-downloads, especially when they have released several beta and non-beta versions over the past year. People are going to upgrade. That's going to seriously inflate the numbers. If you're looking for unique users, this is going to be very misleading.

I can agree with that - free isn't that relevant. My main point is re-downloads, especially when they have released several beta and non-beta versions over the past year. People are going to upgrade. That's going to seriously inflate the numbers. If you're looking for unique users, this is going to be very misleading.

Given that one could argue the majority of Windows 8 sales are de facto as it is the current bundled Windows OS I call it a wash. It's not irrelevant in that eventually Windows 8 will have 200 million in sales, even though it may not be that popular, and if ti's not popular, who knows how many developers will move to WinRT and when?

8 million is a LOT. I bought Start8 early on and paid for it, so it's hasn't been free very long. The sales of start menu replacements is far less relevant than de facto sales of Windows 8. The point is, with that many people willing to stay put, go back to the future, or whatever you want to call it, have no alternative. 8 million people aren't going to OS X or Linux. Haven't they in fact failed more than Windows 8?

I like the start screen, if you use it for several months, you will notice its clearly a upgrade from the start menu!

with that many people willing to stay put, go back to the future, or whatever you want to call it, have no alternative. 8 million people aren't going to OS X or Linux. Haven't they in fact failed more than Windows 8?

Depends on what you mean by "fail" and whether or not you see marketshare as the ultimate measure of success for an operating system. Because if you do, then that question is pretty straightforward to answer...yes, they've "failed more". Of course, as far as Macs are concerned it gets a little more complicated since before you get to use it you're forced to buy into the Mac hardware ecosystem as well, where the only products offered are in the upper price categories

I like the start screen, if you use it for several months, you will notice its clearly a upgrade from the start menu!

I agree about the Start Page. After working with it, it's good. To make the legacy Start Menu functional well, or even Start8, it requires configuration as well. I do think the option to put the Start "button" back would be good.

post-59115-0-01733100-1368060214.png

I think the OP is a little confused as to the meaning of indictment.

The alleged lack of buzz, lackluster sales, paucity of major applications or games, pitiful Windows RT sales, sheer number of users waiting for Blue or staying with Windows 7 would be an indictment of direction Microsoft have taken with Windows 8.

Depends on what you mean by "fail" and whether or not you see marketshare as the ultimate measure of success for an operating system. Because if you do, then that question is pretty straightforward to answer...yes, they've "failed more". Of course, as far as Macs are concerned it gets a little more complicated since before you get to use it you're forced to buy into the Mac hardware ecosystem as well, where the only products offered are in the upper price categories

Good point about having to buy into the Mac hardware ecosystem.

The problem, as I've said before, with Linux ever having any chance at being a real competitor for non-nerds on the desktop PC, is a failure in marketing. Most general users don't even know something other than Windows exists, and have only ever heard of Apple as a tool used by rich college students to make movies with. Windows has their foot in the door and has deals with PC manufacturers. On top of that they have television commercials that advertise their product. Why doesn't Canonical try the same thing with Ubuntu on the desktop? Or Redhat with their Linux distribution in a corporate environment (Redhat is a multi-million dollar corporation)? Some Linux distributions are very polished, stable, and have a wide variety of cross-platform software available that enable them to do pretty much anything a Windows computer can do (and in many cases more) besides play certain video games, so it's not like there aren't good products out there, they just fail at actually bringing those products to the consumer market.

Windows 8, honestly is designed for a completely CLOUD computing world on touchscreens. that being said, not all systems are or will be necessarily touchscreen systems. Microsoft seems to see the future as touchscreen, on cloud based SAS. I suggest we keep our OEM laptops if we have them.

I just don't think everyone has bought into windows 8. however.. 8.1 could change that depending on what they are bringing to the table

I think the OP is a little confused as to the meaning of indictment.

The alleged lack of buzz, lackluster sales, paucity of major applications or games, pitiful Windows RT sales, sheer number of users waiting for Blue or staying with Windows 7 would be an indictment of direction Microsoft have taken with Windows 8.

hahahaha, touche. But the perspective I've chosen to take on the indictment, or flipping of the script, is that given the above, the fact that those who used to present themselves as a meaningful alternatives to Microsoft/Windows are unable to take advantage of this period of clear confusion and lack of polish by Microsoft.

When the 800lb Gorilla gets back on it's feet, no one can complain about getting steamrolled. Because when they had the Gorilla down, they did nothing.

PS: I'm not so sure Microsoft hasn't taken the right direction with Windows 8. They just released it before it was ready IMO, the core apps still aren't ready for RTM (lol). They will have time to right the ship, because alternatives, have failed to present themselves. That is the indictment.

Windows 8, honestly is designed for a completely CLOUD computing world on touchscreens. that being said, not all systems are or will be necessarily touchscreen systems. Microsoft seems to see the future as touchscreen, on cloud based SAS. I suggest we keep our OEM laptops if we have them.

I just don't think everyone has bought into windows 8. however.. 8.1 could change that depending on what they are bringing to the table

"Three screens and a cloud".

  • Like 1

No offense to anyone but hasn't this topic been discussed to death? I'm not sure there is a one size fits all answer. If there were I feel sure we would have found it by now.

Actually, Windows 8 aside, being able to fit 90% of the market is one of the great accomplishments of Windows over the years. Perhaps, despite this clear stumble, Microsoft is deserving of patience given that those who should be presenting alternatives, have presenting nothing.

The problem, as I've said before, with Linux ever having any chance at being a real competitor for non-nerds on the desktop PC, is a failure in marketing. Most general users don't even know something other than Windows exists, and have only ever heard of Apple as a tool used by rich college students to make movies with. Windows has their foot in the door and has deals with PC manufacturers. On top of that they have television commercials that advertise their product. Why doesn't Canonical try the same thing with Ubuntu on the desktop? Or Redhat with their Linux distribution in a corporate environment (Redhat is a multi-million dollar corporation)? Some Linux distributions are very polished, stable, and have a wide variety of cross-platform software available that enable them to do pretty much anything a Windows computer can do (and in many cases more) besides play certain video games, so it's not like there aren't good products out there, they just fail at actually bringing those products to the consumer market.

If you took 10 normal users, any level of computer literacy, and put them in front of 2 desktops, one running OpenOffice, the other running Office 2013 or 2010.

How many do you think would choose to use the desktop running OpenOffice?

Actually, Windows 8 aside, being able to fit 90% of the market is one of the great accomplishments of Windows over the years. Perhaps, despite this clear stumble, Microsoft is deserving of patience given that those who should be presenting alternatives, have presenting nothing.

Being able to fit most of the market it's not a Window's accomplishment. Many of you dont seem to remember that Microsoft was truly anticompetitive back in the 90's and the very early 2000's. Of course now it fits most of the industry, most companies never wanted to give other platforms a chance in order to not anger MS, a massive exodus would be unthinkable. MS never had anything to fear since they knew that, for better or worse, Windows always had to be considered as the major player. But make no mistake, that never happened because or merits.

Now, Im not saying Windows is a bad platform. I specially like Windows 7.

If you took 10 normal users, any level of computer literacy, and put them in front of 2 desktops, one running OpenOffice, the other running Office 2013 or 2010.

How many do you think would choose to use the desktop running OpenOffice?

Next to none, considering Microsoft Office is standard in not only business but education. All 10 would point and laugh at OO.

Being able to fit most of the market it's not a Window's accomplishment. Many of you dont seem to remember that Microsoft was truly anticompetitive back in the 90's and the very early 2000's. Of course now it fits most of the industry, most companies never wanted to give other platforms a chance in order to not anger MS, a massive exodus would be unthinkable. MS never had anything to fear since they knew that, for better or worse, Windows always had to be considered as the major player. But make no mistake, that never happened because or merits.

Now, Im not saying Windows is a bad platform. I specially like Windows 7.

This is all true, and I have not forgotten. I do think though, that the OS did evolve based on Merit. DOS competitors and Office competitors got destroyed in an anti-competitive manner. I'm not sure there was ever any real GUI competition, not that I remember anyway.

>> MS never had anything to fear since they knew that, for better or worse, Windows always had to be considered as the major player. But make no mistake, that never happened because or merits.<<

With regards to Windows, I think that's where we are today. And why MS will weather this period and bounce back. But not because alternatives have been steamrolled via anti-competitiveness. Apple, the Linux movement, Chrome/Google OSes, they just aren't bringing anything to the table, er, desktop.

And where they are strong, tablets and phones, they are doing anything to put the nail in MS' coffin during this period of weakness.

Next to none, considering Microsoft Office is standard in not only business but education. All 10 would point and laugh at OO.

We finally agree. Though for different reasons. I actually think Office is just a more polished, easier to use product. I believe it is best in class.

When we tested it with users, they just didn't like it and felt like we downgraded them. It is simply not an option.

This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Posts

    • These are not "great" prices... just "less awful". Apparently "Those who forget the past are doomed to pay higher prices and think they've won."
    • Russia was able to invade Crimea because of those people. But my point is that I've personally heard how great it was to be "back in Russia" right afterwards - look how great it is now. I've asked you a question in another comment which you haven't answered, so I'll ask it again: is it better now without "Europrats"?
    • ZimaBoard 2 1664 Starter Kit review: it's a cool and affordable DIY NAS by Steven Parker IceWhale Technology reached out to me asking if I was interested in testing the ZimaBoard 2, and after convincing them to send me the Starter Kit, it arrived at my doorstep in May. A bit of background: it is a Shanghai-based Chinese company founded in 2020, which specializes in single-board servers and personal cloud solutions. From searching around online, user feedback on the company and ZimaOS is mostly positive, so we're off to a good start. In addition, I should probably point out that although they do not have a large portfolio of NAS devices, with just four of what they do offer, they seem to have covered everything from a relatively low-priced entry point with the ZimaBoard 2, right up to the high end, with the ZimaCube 2 Creator Pack that even includes an NVIDIA RTX PRO 2000. Anyway, as already mentioned, what we have today is the ZimaBoard 2 Starter Kit, and here are the full specifications: ZimaBoard 2 Model 832, 1664 CPU Intel Core N150 (4x E Cores/Threads, Max burst up to 3.6 GHz) TDP: 6W (Base) 10W (Max) Graphics Intel UHD Graphics 24 EUs (1.00 GHz) Memory 8 GB, 16 GB DDR5 4800MT/s non ECC SODIMM (soldered) Disk Capacity 60 TB (30 TB x 2) Supported RAID Types TRAID, TRAID +, RAID0, RAID1, RAID5, RAID 6, RAID 10 Storage 2 x SATA 3.0 6Gb/s Ports with Power Bootloader 32 GB, 64 GB eMMC Network 2x RJ-45 2.5 GbE PCIe 1 x PCIe 3.0 (via LPC) USB Ports 2 x USB-A 3.1 (5 Gbps) Display Mini-DisplayPort 1.4 (4K@60Hz) Hardware Transcoding Engine H.264, H.265, MPEG-4, VC-1 Maximum resolution: 4K (4096 x 2160); Maximum FPS: 60 Virtualization Intel® AES New Instructions Intel® Virtualization Technology (VT-x) Intel® Virtualization Technology for Directed I/O (VT-d) Size (H/W/D) 140mm x 83mm x 31mm Weight 0.4 kg (only ZimaBoard 2 device) Power 12v 5A Power Supply Warranty 1 year (Global) 2 Years (EU) OS ZimaOS v1.6.1 MSRP $339, $399 ($548.60) As you can see above, there are two variants of the ZimaBoard 2. The lesser variant has half the eMMC storage and 8 GB less RAM, although it also costs $60 less than the top variant we are testing today. The above pricing is only for the ZimaBoard 2. I put the MSRP of the Starter Kit next to it in brackets, although as of publishing, it is discounted to $534.50. The ZimaBoard 2 started life on Kickstarter and shipped to backers in August last year. It became available via the official website in late 2025 and Q1 2026. This hobbyist NAS contains the still relatively new N150 Intel CPU released in the first quarter of 2025, with support for DisplayPort 1.4, HDMI 2.1, although in this case, the memory is integrated into the board itself, so it will not be possible to upgrade or expand the amount. It also supports AV1 decoding, as well as H.264, VP8, VP9, H.265 (8 bit), and H.265 (10 bit). The different capabilities in the Alder Lake-N (and Twin Lake) series are listed below. Processor E-cores L3-cache Turbo clock GPU GPU-clock TDP Intel N355 8 6 MB 3.9 GHz 32 EUs 1.35 GHz 9 W Intel Core 3 N350 3.9 GHz 1.35 GHz 7 W Intel Core i3-N305 3.8 GHz 1.25 GHz 9 W Intel Core i3-N300 3.8 GHz 1.25 GHz Intel N250 4 3.8 GHz 1.25 GHz 6 W Intel Processor N200 3.7 GHz 0.75 GHz Intel N150 3.6 GHz 24 EUs 1 GHz Intel N97 1.2 GHz 12 W Intel Processor N100 3.4 GHz 0.75 GHz 6 W The CPU is part of the Twin Lake series that sits near the bottom of the N-series, designed for low- powered systems and entry-level laptops, and as such has a base level TDP of just 6W. As I have noted before, we are seeing another NAS with a great amount of RAM. It's important to mention that the ZimaBoard 2's memory is integrated into the base board (which is why they have two variants of it). As a reminder, up until a couple of years ago, it was commonplace to only get 2 or 4GB max on a flagship Synology or QNAP home NAS. Ever since the likes of TerraMaster and more have entered the market with ample RAM sizes included in their NAS offerings, it has gone a long way in forcing the hands of the traditional makers to up their game a bit. First impressions The Starter Kit came in one outer box with several packages inside it (shown above). I forgot to take pics of it because when it arrived, it wasn't clear what was inside, and I had to confirm with my contact that I received the entire Starter Kit. In the box ZimaBoard 2 ZimaBoard 2 HDD Expansion Bracket + PCIe card frame Zimaboard Mini DisplayPort Male to HDMI Female Cable 4K 60Hz Zimaboard PCIe 3.0 x4 to Dual NVMe M.2 SSD Adapter Card Quick guide [full online guide] Limited warranty notice Screws Design Where to start? You'd be forgiven for mistaking it as an SSD enclosure if not for all the ports on it. It is completely made out of metal, and the top is an entire heatsink. It has a premium feel about it, but it definitely looks like a hobby device. As you will see, the completed build looks like it belongs in a server or meter closet rather than as a showpiece on someone's desk. On what I am calling the rear, there's a Mini DisplayPort (1.4), two 2.5 GbE ports, with Type A 3.1 USB ports, and then the barrel connector port. Around the front, there are two SATA6 ports with a power connector in the middle. Left side Right side One side is completely free of ports. On the other there's a slit that allows for the feed of a CPU fan cable, and a PCIe 3.0 X4 slot. Top Bottom The top is entirely made up of a heatsink except for the extended height for the I/O on the rear. Around the other side, you can find the ZIMA branding and some regulatory information stamped near the bottom. As you may see from the bottom of the ZimaBoard 2, it scratches quite easily from just moving it around on my Ikea island. Teardown Before we get started, let's have a look at this thing on the inside. The steps to get to the board are as follows: Remove the four smaller Torx screws on the bottom of the ZimaBoard 2; Remove the four larger Torx screws on the sides of the device; Carefully unstick the CMOS battery from the PCB; Remove two Phillips screws on the PCB; Lift out the PCB. Yes, as you can tell from the instructions, you need three different tools to remove Torx and Phillips screws (10 in total), and unhelpfully, one of the screws is located under the CMOS battery, which is stuck onto the PCB. Building Now comes the fun part. Because the ZimaSpace website does not provide any guidance on how to put the Starter Kit together. They only have guidance for connecting the CPU fan. However, they did upload a video to their YouTube channel that shows the entire process. To install the fan, first remove the four screws on the bottom of the ZimaBoard 2, then on the inside, there is a CPU FAN connector where you can attach the fan, reattach the ZimaBoard 2 frame, and feed the fan cable through the provided slit. Then remove the nearest screw on the side and attach the fan frame to the side of the device using the same screw. ZimaBard 2 screws Aligning the screws Bottom view Remember those four screws we removed to access the CPU FAN? Longer screws are provided in the box with the HDD Expansion Bracket, which is what you will now need to attach the ZimaBoard 2 to it. Helpfully, the orientation on how to attach it is made obvious when the frame can only be screwed on at the same overall length as the ZimaBoard 2. If you do it the wrong way around (which is what I did initially) one side hangs off the frame, and it becomes difficult to attach the PCIe Adapter Card cable. PCIe card frame Other side PCIe slot connector Next, it's time to attach the PCIe card frame, which is fastened with the help of 3.5-inch SATA HDD (3 screws). These are toolless screws that you can just use your fingers to fasten them with. Then it is time to connect the provided PCIe cable with the slot connector on one side of the ZimaBoard 2, feed it through the bottom of the HDD frame, and fasten it with two standoffs. Both bracket options 2280 standoffs with 2x 4TB MP44Q The PCIe 3.0 X4 card comes with a short bracket option, handy if you decide to place it inside a different NAS or rack server, but here we need the long bracket. Oddly enough, the M.2 standoffs were preinstalled into the 22110 position, but extra standoffs are included in the box, which I installed at the 2280 position for our use. I added a couple of MP44Q M.2 PCIe 4.0 SSDs (2 x 4TB) that can be availed on Amazon for $478.99 (the lowest price for 3 months) that TEAMGROUP supplied us with Then we have the almost completed build, you just need to push the card into the PCIe slot. Unfortunately, IceWhale Technologies did not provide a screw for the PCIe card frame (this is also apparent in their own video). Here it is at several different angles, with the last pic showing the SATA Y-Cable connected to the two WD Red Plus 4TB drives. Setup and Usage Next, you connect your cables to the I/O, and the ZimaBoard 2 powers on automatically, as there is no power button on the device. Power is controlled through the Settings in ZimaOS. BIOS The ZimaBoard 2 includes an Aptio BIOS from American Megatrends [1, 2, 3], and you can setup pretty much everything here including the boot order, which is locked to the UEFI OS, however above that choice you can enable or disable booting to a SATA/USB bootloader so this would still allow you to switch to an alternative bootloader and boot from it, or disable it to instead always start from the first disk with an OS installed on it. Initial Setup Upon connecting to the LAN and booting up, the ZimaBoard 2 can be reached by navigating to the IP address (shown if you have a monitor connected), or you can find it using the ZIMA Client desktop application, which is essentially a Zima device finder. Initializing the ZimaBoard 2 The ZimaOS setup process is pretty straightforward, through a wizard, and in full above, it basically consists of setting up an account and some handy tips, and that's that! Post Setup (ZimaOS update) Upon first boot, you are alerted that there is a ZimaOS update from 1.5.0 to 1.6.1, which I applied; the full process is shown above with the changelog. ZimaBoard 2 Storage Setup Next, it is time to set up the storage. ZimaOS actually throws everything onto the eMMC flash drive; it is also the default location of AppData, which is definitely something to be wary about, as the 45GB available storage could fill up quickly. HDDs I first attempted to create a Storage Pool using the two 4TB WD Red Plus NAS drives, and got an error message: After several attempts and then looking online, I discovered it was a bug with ZimaOS where the fix was simply to reboot ZimaOS and then try again, this time I was able to create a RAID mirror using the two drives. SSDs I did the same for the SSDs, as you will see in the above gallery, when I created the second Storage Pool, it only allowed me to select available drives. ZimaBoard 2 AppData ZimaOS comes with an App Store that includes a repository of almost 400 apps, so you will be able to find most of what you'll need for a NAS (although after a quick search, I wasn't able to find a Surveillance Manager), and now comes the important part: moving the default AppData location off the 45GB eMMC and onto a larger volume: Open Settings Then Apps Then, in the Select a new location field, click on the new Storage volume you want to move it to (in my case, the Apps Storage Pool), which is the SSD RAID mirror. Confirm the Migration warning Be praised! You can also do this for Docker (which by default installs onto the 45GB eMMC flash drive) and the User database. Plex Setup Next, I tested the configuration by installing the Plex Server app from the App Store. The library folders must already exist (which I placed into the Storage Pool). Plex Server setup is straightforward and requires very little configuration. In my case, all I had to do was add the media path I just created, which you can also browse to using the folder icon in the path field. In addition, you can now map the new Media library in Windows Explorer using the Zima Client. Oddly enough, it is not possible to access the ZimaBoard 2 over the Network Neighborhood; you must map drives using the client, which is shown in the last image in the above gallery. I watched one of my Blu-Ray rips, which is Dolby Vision with Dolby Atmos, and the content played fine with no stuttering or buffering, which is what anyone needs in this scenario. ZimaBoard 2 Zima Client mobile app There's also a client for mobile. It is pretty barebones, as shown in the above gallery, for example, the Apps screen launches the WebUI for that app, and the Backup must be done manually. On opening Backup, you can select internal storage folders on your phone to backup to the ZimaBoard 2's storage, and although this is constantly scanned, the backup action itself must be manually triggered. There is an option to allow foreground backup (last image in the above gallery), but this basically means the queued backup gets triggered when you manually open the app. Benchmarking SATA PCIe 3.0 X4 A CrystalDiskMark test on a mapped network drive from within a Windows 11 25H2 PC (image above) connected over a 2.5 GbE was well within acceptable ranges. Writes were generally better on the SSD RAID mirror. SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 I also ran the NAS Performance tester, which tests the link speed performance. As you can see, it pretty much maxes out the 2.5GbE connection. Of course, you can also opt to bond the two 2.5 GbE connections for a bit more umph, but I didn't do that. Thermals Top PCIe card SATA HDDs Next, I measured some hotspots while playing content on Plex. It's fair to say this will perform better than a NAS that is enclosed in a metal or plastic case, as almost everything storage-wise is exposed! Anyway, the ZimaBoard 2 did not break a sweat with Plex streaming or disk benchmarks. ZimaOS Factory Reset ZimaOS does not include a factory reset option. Instead, you have to download the ZimaOS image and flash it to the eMMC manually. The flashing process is shown in the above gallery. The steps to do so are listed below: Download the ZimaOS image here; Open BalenaEtcher (Run as Administrator) and select the image; Select your inserted USB drive (min 8 GB) Flash to it; Connect your USB drive, monitor, keyboard, USB hub (optional), mouse (optional), and network cable (recommended) to the ZimaBoard 2; Connect power and press F11 continuously; Select your USB drive starting with UEFI in the boot device menu; Press Enter on the Install ZimaOS option; Select /dev/mmcblk0 (MMC) flash drive as target; Confirm with (three times) to wipe the target disk; Wait a couple of minutes while ZimaOS installs; Remove the USB drive and confirm with a reboot; Your ZimaBoard 2 has been factory reset. However, you don't have to stick with ZimaOS, in fact the company also offers official CasaOS images, that are based on Debian; or as they say themselves, put anything you want on this "hackable single board server" it's up to you. Conclusion I had a lot of fun putting this together. I've custom-built all my own PCs and servers since the 90s, and this is the first time I have had to put a NAS together. Even if the actual base ZimaBoard 2 was already a completed build, it still feels pretty custom. I just wish that IceWhale Technology included a getting-started guide in the box for the Start Kit, which would have really completed this kit. Instead, I had to search for the official video on the YouTube channel to make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong. So who is this for? Definitely the hobbyist who is comfortable building their own PC and servers. It also has a much smaller footprint than its nearest equivalent (in terms of specs), like the Beelink Me Pro, which is another NAS I will be testing soon. Although the Beelink does not come with the PCIe 3.0 X4 expansion, the ZimaBoard 2 Starter Kit suddenly looks to be a great bargain, even if it only offers the two 3.5-inch bays over the four in the other example. It makes a lot of sense to use Intel's N150 chip inside a NAS; it is more than capable of doing what the ZimaBoard 2 is intended for, media streaming and backup. It also looks like the IceWhale Technology staff are quite active in the official forums helping people with issues they come across with ZimaOS and the devices, peer support seems to be good as well, I was quickly able to find why I was not able to create a new Storage Pool in ZimaOS v1.6.1 even though that is quite a serious bug, hopefully it will be fixed in the next update. If you are comfortable with the command line and Docker, you'll be fine. You can do great things with this hardware. This was my first time with ZimaOS. It seems a bit barebones in comparison to the likes of Synology DSM, TOS, and UGOS, but it has a ton of apps to get you started with your home or small business NAS. Where to buy As of publishing, IceWhale Technology is running a discount of up to 5% for the Starter Kit. If you opt to get just the ZimaBoard 2 itself, it does come with a SATA Y-Cable, so you will be able to connect up to two 3.5-inch HDDs to it. ZimaBoard 2 1668 Starter Kit for $534.50 on Amazon US (was $548.60) ZimaBoard 2 832 Starter Kit for $372.88 on Amazon US (was $390.60) Zimaboard 2 1668 (16GB+64GB) for $419.90 on Amazon US Zimaboard 2 832 (8GB+32GB) for $359.90 on Amazon Disclosure: IceWhale Technology provided a free sample without any editorial input or review pre-approval. Good to know The Amazon link is U.S. specific, and not available in other regions unless specified. We only use first-party seller links (at the time of article publishing); ensure that you purchase from a first-party seller link only. Check out Today's Deals on Amazon | or our recent tech deals. Become a Prime member (for Students or SNAP) via Neowin Get Prime Access - Prime for half price (for qualifying Medicaid, EBT, SNAP) Subscribe to Prime Video, Audible Plus, Music Unlimited or Kindle Unlimited via Neowin As an Amazon Associate, when you purchase through links on our site, we earn from qualifying purchases.
    • It's in the Insider's group so yes it's technically beta, though these days it's hard to see much of a difference unless you opt for the most extreme beta builds, which I don't. When I moved here from the Release Preview channel I did so primarily because I wanted to see how well the restored taskbar functionality (restored from Win10, and earlier) is working and whether it was time to finally abandon SAB--and it is--working fine, so far. Not as polished as SAB, but it'll do for me.
    • I've been using MWB Premium for a number of years so that along with Windows updates and updated browser should be fine. Thanks for that.
  • Recent Achievements

    • Week One Done
      flexorcist earned a badge
      Week One Done
    • One Month Later
      Woland13 earned a badge
      One Month Later
    • Week One Done
      Woland13 earned a badge
      Week One Done
    • One Year In
      bernmeister earned a badge
      One Year In
    • Week One Done
      Scoobystu earned a badge
      Week One Done
  • Popular Contributors

    1. 1
      +primortal
      488
    2. 2
      +Edouard
      220
    3. 3
      PsYcHoKiLLa
      147
    4. 4
      Steven P.
      74
    5. 5
      FloatingFatMan
      70
  • Tell a friend

    Love Neowin? Tell a friend!