official Apple WWDC 2013 Discussion Thread

[techbeck]

You were talking about new and interesting products. If you can find me an ultrabook like the Macbook Air, or desktop like the Mac Pro, I'd love to see them.

If those don't interest you, then I guess you can just wait for the iUnicorn, or whatever other fantastical device you were expecting.

No, I was talking about innovative products...which Apple has not done in years. Mac Pro and Air where announced/released a long time ago. I wouldnt call revisions an innovation either. Instead, Apple is doing/copying other just like everyone else. It shows in their latest OS releases.

And be sarcastic all you want if that is how you want to prove your point.

[manifesto]

Is there no transparency in iOS 7 on the iPhone 4?

Nope, but I hope they add it in the next betas.

[qdave]

Nope, but I hope they add it in the next betas.

As always apple dropping the ball for support of the older phones :( Shamefull!

[ATLien_0]

I was under the impression that I lot of the new features couldn't run on the hardware of the old phones

Apple isn't really in an innovating phase right now, and nor do they always need to be. Its more of a refinement phase

However the Mac Pro is pretty innovative, take a look at the videos on the Apple site

[SMELTN]

Disregard

[Denis W. Veteran]

As always apple dropping the ball for support of the older phones :( Shamefull!

Wonder if it also applies to the 4S.

On the upside, at least they're sticking to a 3 year support schedule for their phones.

[Rudy]

Wonder if it also applies to the 4S.

On the upside, at least they're sticking to a 3 year support schedule for their phones.

4S has dynamic wallpapers... I thought there was supposed to be parallax icons too? not happening on my 4S

[benthebear]

Do the toast notifications in iOS look the same?

[The Guvnor]

Disregard

Thats right, Disregard the damn OS! The App UI is just about Ok but the System UI is horse crap. Johnny Ive needs to be kicked on his rear.

[Dinggus]

So I went to the Apple Store today and asked about the keynote, they mentioned multitasking and said I can now have different apps open and resize them. I told them awesome, I get home to view reports of the keynote and it showed nothing of this. Looks like I'm going to invest in a Surface.

[Rudy]

4S has dynamic wallpapers... I thought there was supposed to be parallax icons too? not happening on my 4S

Won't let me edit but the 3d parallax does work on a 4S nevermind

[PyX]

Really not fond of the new UI in iOS 7. They perfected it in a few ways but they made it worse in a LOT of ways.

The new Music app is one that brings us 7 years behind.

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Really looking forward to OS X 10.9 Mavericks though (always wondered why Maps didn't make it to Mountain Lion as a Desktop App), and still wondering about the Mac Pro expandability.

iWork was long time overdue, it's good to know that it's back on its rails.

[Quillz]

I have a strange feeling the "signal strength dots" will not be in the final build. Visually, they just aren't as effective as the old column bars. Horizontal dots are difficult to discern at a glance because the only difference is color. Either they should use a much better color contrast, or make the dots larger. But in the end, I think the old scheme will return.

[PyX]

I have a strange feeling the "signal strength dots" will not be in the final build. Visually, they just aren't as effective as the old column bars. Horizontal dots are difficult to discern at a glance because the only difference is color. Either they should use a much better color contrast, or make the dots larger. But in the end, I think the old scheme will return.

Same. There's a bunch of intuitive things that are now more complicated in iOS7. My best example is the Slide to Unlock on the Home Screen. If you've never touched iOS7 before, this can be very confusing.

Also, I've seen Contact Infos taking up way too much space as opposed to before, the edition menu bringing us to a whole new window, etc. It makes it very Google-ish and it's a pity because Apple had nailed it in the old design. Now they've stepped backwards a few years back in terms of design with their time machine.

Plus the effect on the Control Center is very disturbing and makes the buttons unclear.

[Quillz]

Same. There's a bunch of intuitive things that are now more complicated in iOS. My best example is the Slide to Unlock on the Home Screen. If you've never touched iOS7 before, this can be very confusing.

It threw me off at first only because of the lack of a graphical "well" to guide your finger along. Without it, it almost seems like you can slide in any direction. What they should do is have a little right-pointing arrow after "unlock."

The way it's set up now, they are banking on the fact most people will be upgrading, rather than be new to the platform. This, too, is something that I think will see a change by the final release.

[PyX]

Yeah, I'm sharing the same opinion about it. Design-wise, a bunch of decisions will need to be reverted by the final builds. They won't have the choice.

But the brand new flatter design is there to stay (unfortunately for me).

[V-Tech]

So as mentioned several times before the keynote - people will be disappointed. I'm not an iPhone user and for me to see them call iOS 7 "innovative" is just sad. I see no innovation in any shape or form. All those changes are just updates/upgrades of the current iOS and in most cases just catching up to other OS systems with what they already introduced to the world sometime ago.

Control Center - Nothing innovative about it. It exists on Android. All Apple did is just take it from them. Actually sliding from the bottom instead of the top like on Android is innovative :huh:

Multitasking - Come on, this is the basic of all the other smart phones. Introducing the double click that shows nicely what you have running is just sad. And again, already on Android for sometime i believe.

Camera - Again, what is innovative about allowing to edit the photos on the phone?

Photos - I actually didnt know if my Android can do this by checking it right now it does allow me to group the photos by: Location, Time, People and Tags. So again why call it innovative?

AirDrop - Now it's a cool thing but look at what they writ:

Sending a photo or a document to someone via text or email is fine. But if that someone is right next to you, a text or an email suddenly feels like too many steps. Enter AirDrop for iOS. It lets you quickly and easily share photos, videos, contacts ? and anything else from any app with a Share button. Just tap Share, then select the person you want to share with. AirDrop does the rest using Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. No setup required. And transfers are encrypted, so what you share is highly secure.

So sending something via text or email is not good when you are next to someone but sending it via AirDrop is great?!

Isnt it basically the same thing? Isnt it like saying - "Sending something via text or email is not good but you can use Whatsapp to send it".

And again, in Android you can basically share anything you want via any platform you want and it's 2 clicks away. All they did is added another App to use for sharing.

Safari - This is just sad, introducing full screen and tabs is basically stealing what Chrome has.

iRadio - Android has the exact same thing and it was introduced in the I/O last month if i'm not mistaking.

Automatic Updates - There are several different reasons to why it's a bad idea. Think of the people that dont have a large data plan. At least they are allowing you to turn it off. :)

Now there are the icons. Personally i dont like them but graphics and design is an individual thing so maybe there are people that do like it. Again, personally i think they could have done a much better work.

I think this looks 10 times better than what they did :D

Now who said - "Cant innovate no more my ass"?

[Quillz]

Well, of course Apple is going to say they're innovating. They're not going to go up on stage and say "we're playing catch-up!"

I don't really care so much about who did what first, I'm just glad some much needed improvements are finally coming to iOS 7. That, in turn, will also make Android and Windows Phone better. In the end, the consumers will win.

[game_over]

So as mentioned several times before the keynote - people will be disappointed. I'm not an iPhone user and for me to see them call iOS 7 "innovative" is just sad. I see no innovation in any shape or form. All those changes are just updates/upgrades of the current iOS and in most cases just catching up to other OS systems with what they already introduced to the world sometime ago.

Control Center - Nothing innovative about it. It exists on Android. All Apple did is just take it from them. Actually sliding from the bottom instead of the top like on Android is innovative :huh:

Multitasking - Come on, this is the basic of all the other smart phones. Introducing the double click that shows nicely what you have running is just sad. And again, already on Android for sometime i believe.

Camera - Again, what is innovative about allowing to edit the photos on the phone?

Photos - I actually didnt know if my Android can do this by checking it right now it does allow me to group the photos by: Location, Time, People and Tags. So again why call it innovative?

AirDrop - Now it's a cool thing but look at what they writ:

So sending something via text or email is not good when you are next to someone but sending it via AirDrop is great?!

Isnt it basically the same thing? Isnt it like saying - "Sending something via text or email is not good but you can use Whatsapp to send it".

And again, in Android you can basically share anything you want via any platform you want and it's 2 clicks away. All they did is added another App to use for sharing.

Safari - This is just sad, introducing full screen and tabs is basically stealing what Chrome has.

iRadio - Android has the exact same thing and it was introduced in the I/O last month if i'm not mistaking.

Automatic Updates - There are several different reasons to why it's a bad idea. Think of the people that dont have a large data plan. At least they are allowing you to turn it off. :)

Now there are the icons. Personally i dont like them but graphics and design is an individual thing so maybe there are people that do like it. Again, personally i think they could have done a much better work.

I think this looks 10 times better than what they did :D

Now who said - "Cant innovate no more my ass"?

Cool story bro!

The only people that care about the word innovation is people who dislike apple or don't use their products... as a long time apple user: i don't care how they spin it, i just care they are adding their features that are long over due, they know they are playing catch up but it's the WWDC keynote, they aren't going to come on stage and play down their products.

[V-Tech]

Cool story bro!

The only people that care about the word innovation is people who dislike apple or don't use their products... as a long time apple user: i don't care how they spin it, i just care they are adding their features that are long over due, they know they are playing catch up but it's the WWDC keynote, they aren't going to come on stage and play down their products.

I used the first iPhone that came out in 2007 and i did so because it was something new, exciting and really revolutionary. I still use my iPad 2 because i do think it's a good product and it does what i need it to do. Not sure i will buy a new version of an iPad when i will need something else.

The reason that i dont like Apple is exactly because of what you said, they know that they play catch up but still insist to call it innovation. Of course i'm not saying they should disrespect their own products but calling it innovative is just wrong.

You said - "i just care they are adding their features that are long over due". Well if those features are over due and you wanted them then why insist in sticking with Apple instead of getting any other phone that already has anything and everything that you want/need? I just dont see the logic behind it.

I used several different Blackberry phones in the past 4 years but at some point Blackberry just didnt deliver what i wanted/needed and i switched to Android instead of waiting for them to "add features that are long over due".

[game_over]

I used the first iPhone that came out in 2007 and i did so because it was something new, exciting and really revolutionary. I still use my iPad 2 because i do think it's a good product and it does what i need it to do. Not sure i will buy a new version of an iPad when i will need something else.

The reason that i dont like Apple is exactly because of what you said, they know that they play catch up but still insist to call it innovation. Of course i'm not saying they should disrespect their own products but calling it innovative is just wrong.

You said - "i just care they are adding their features that are long over due". Well if those features are over due and you wanted them then why insist in sticking with Apple instead of getting any other phone that already has anything and everything that you want/need? I just dont see the logic behind it.

I used several different Blackberry phones in the past 4 years but at some point Blackberry just didnt deliver what i wanted/needed and i switched to Android instead of waiting for them to "add features that are long over due".

Because i'm invested heavily in Apple -Mac Mini, rMBP, iPad Mini, iPhone 5 .. i believe what they do offer in terms of integration, eco-system ease of use and usability is worth the trade off.

[V-Tech]

Because i'm invested heavily in Apple -Mac Mini, rMBP, iPad Mini, iPhone 5 .. i believe what they do offer in terms of integration, eco-system ease of use and usability is worth the trade off.

It's a good reason and i believe it's part of Apple's strategy to keep you from leaving Apple :)

[PyX]

The new Notes app in OS X Mavericks in a total joke.

The new Contacts isn't much better, it's the Contacts from OS X Leopard or Snow Leopard, a dead-feeling application without the pictures of your friends in the list.

Props for the tabbed Finder and the new Maps App though :)

And hey, after some surface testing, I think it is now possible to send an email from Mail containing pictures and text at the same time, and the receiver won't be stuck with an empty email with a picture file attached and a text file attached. FINALLY !!!

[threetonesun]

You said - "i just care they are adding their features that are long over due". Well if those features are over due and you wanted them then why insist in sticking with Apple instead of getting any other phone that already has anything and everything that you want/need? I just dont see the logic behind it.

Everything on that list you posted was already on iOS, they're just being refined. It seems stranger to me that you'd switch out operating systems and phones (since the hardware is intrinsically linked) for what are mostly trivial features.

[ATLien_0]

About OS X, I still can't believe they decided to ditch the cat names from here on. Apparently the new naming scheme is revolving around California. I mean couldn't they have at least finished out OS X 10.9 with a cat, then move to OS 11 with a new naming scheme?

The new iOS ui will take some getting used to, the look of the older iOS tied well together with OS X especially with the icons and dock look. I wonder if this new iOS them is going to be translated into the next OS X / OS 11?