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Marshall    15,357

Thread Cleaned

 

Refrain from trolling or insults or the thread will be closed.

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gohpep    434

There's nothing stopping developers from converting XAML to HTML, but the hosts say that it would be daunting.

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gohpep    434

There may be a ribbon control for WinRT apps in the future.


Windows Presentation Foundation is still being worked on.

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Dot Matrix    7,424

It seems like only Windows 8.1, Windows Phone 8.1, and Xbox One, but that's only what I've heard. There isn't a limit that I know of for them to support Windows 7. It seems like they are still debating on whether to support Windows 7.

 

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You can add usage data snooping with a simple click in Visual Studio 2013 Update 2, and you can filter by region.

If it's out after next year (when WIndows 7 goes into extended support), you'll never see it for Win7.

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Geoffrey B.    1,415

The on stage demo regarding translating a Windows 8.1 app to a Windows phone app with only a few tweaks was rather nice to see. 

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gohpep    434

Now let's talk TypeScript.

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gohpep    434

TypeScript 1.0 has been released.

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gohpep    434

I'm guessing there won't be much more exciting news until the Halo cloud computing thing.

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gohpep    434

If you have downloaded the spring update from other sources before today, they are the same hashes.

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Luc2k    753

If it's out after next year (when WIndows 7 goes into extended support), you'll never see it for Win7.

Your predictions have gone horribly wrong before *cough* start menu *cough*.

 

Anyway, a question: If somebody wants to go from 8 to 8.1u1, is it still required to download 8.1 from the store or is the whole package delivered with WU?

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Dot Matrix    7,424

Your predictions have gone horribly wrong before *cough* start menu *cough*.

Pretty much the same reasons why XP never got any loving after 2009. Microsoft isn't going to overly develop for operating systems working their way out the door.

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gohpep    434

Your predictions have gone horribly wrong before *cough* start menu *cough*.

Anyway, a question: If somebody wants to go from 8 to 8.1u1, is it still required to download 8.1 from the store or is the whole package delivered with WU?

Windows 8.1 with update is downloaded through the store.

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Whenever I said cromax, I meant micromax :P

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Luc2k    753

Pretty much the same reasons why XP never got any loving after 2009. Microsoft isn't going to overly develop for operating systems working their way out the door.

I understand your reasoning, and normally I'd agree if MS hadn't back-pedalled so much lately. We'll find out eventually, but I wouldn't be so sure about it at this stage. 

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gohpep    434

My prediction is that Microsoft will partner with Valve.

They've announced many new titles on Steam, and bragged about Steam games during the Build intro video. Plus, they would want to slow down momentum for the Steambox.

E3 will show more PC gaming titles along with more about DirectX 12. It would be a perfect time for an announcement like that.

I understand your reasoning, and normally I'd agree if MS hadn't back-pedalled so much lately. We'll find out eventually, but I wouldn't be so sure about it at this stage.

They said they were still talking about Windows 7 support. If they release it next year, it will give another reason to stay on Windows 7 when it gets extended support. DirectX 12 could boost Windows 8 sales if it was an exclusive, but some people may still hate them for not supporting Windows 7.

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Luc2k    753

Windows 8.1 with update is downloaded through the store.

Guess the install base will remain split then.

 

My prediction is that Microsoft will partner with Valve.

They've announced many new titles on Steam, and bragged about Steam games during the Build intro video. Plus, they would want to slow down momentum for the Steambox.

E3 will show more PC gaming titles along with more about DirectX 12. It would be a perfect time for an announcement like that.

Aren't they already partners? Although I don't see what is in it for them (MS) financially.

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+Zlip792    482

Nobody noticed this amazing popup: http://status.modern.ie/#/

 

They will put under consideration feature for new IE in list over here.

 

Some Interesting In Devlopment while some Under Consideration... Yupppeee!!!!

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gohpep    434

Guess the install base will remain split then.

 

Aren't they already partners? Although I don't see what is in it for them (MS) financially.

I don't think so, with all the crap Gabe Newell has said about Windows 8.

As for MS, it makes Windows be on top, since one of the selling points is that is has most of the games.

 

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http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/extremewindows/archive/2014/04/02/update-on-3d-printing-in-windows.aspx

New features for 3D printing within apps

With 3MF file format, which supports colors, textures, scale, a print ticket containing recommended print options, and many other improvements

Making new improvements to the Microsoft 3D builder app: http://aka.ms/3dbuilder

Microsoft 3D Printing SDK

WinJS roadmap

 

roadmap.png

 

 

https://github.com/winjs/winjs/wiki/Roadmap

Bing search results will list links to apps you have installed.

 

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http://blogs.msdn.com/b/bingdevcenter/archive/2014/04/01/link-your-app-to-search-results.aspx

http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/buildingapps/archive/2014/04/02/link-your-app-to-search-results-with-new-bing-feature.aspx

http://www.bing.com/dev/en-us/dev-center

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gohpep    434

http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/webmaster/archive/2014/04/02/announcing-bing-knowledge-widget-amp-app-linking.aspx

Bing Knowledge Widget

You can embed bing queries into a webpage. Javascript based.

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http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2014/04/02/bingplatform.aspx

Bing Interests

Bing_2D00_Interest_2D00_Manager_5F00_thu

 

Tag topics that you care about and Bing will automatically tell you about them through the bing website, or cortana.

 

Site should be here soon: http://www.bing.com/profile/interests


http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2014/04/02/announcing-net-native-preview.aspx

.NET Native gives you the performance of C++ with the productivity of C#.

It will be available for ARM and x64 today.

Download: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/vstudio/dotnetnative

 

It achieves higher performances apps with less memory usage.

Store apps start faster.

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+Zlip792    482

@mastercoms

 

Any idea that whether these Bing features are US only or it will be roll out worldwide?

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gohpep    434

http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/buildingapps/archive/2014/04/02/windows-store-universal-windows-app-opportunity.aspx

Windows tiered system will be phased out, and will introduce the 70/30 revenue share that is on Windows Phone.

Microsoft will introduce new advertising SDKs.

Developers can buy ads spots in other apps.

Windows Phone 8.1 has automatic app updates.

More Windows Phone 8.1 store screen shots, featuring the reviews.

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App certification time will be 2 to 4 hours instead of 2.5 days.

Vetting process will take 2 days instead of 10 days.

Terms of Service has been unified.

Removal of credit card validation for Dev Center accounts

 

Windows Phone Dev Preview will be avaliable Mid-April. I feel April 10th.

https://dev.windowsphone.com/en-us/featured/devpreview

 

New app contest: https://publishwindows.com/


@mastercoms

 

Any idea that whether these Bing features are US only or it will be roll out worldwide?

Interests will be wherever Cortana is available.

I'm assuming knowledge entity embedding will be available to any countries with the knowledge side bar.

App linking will probably go along with Cortana.

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gohpep    434

http://blogs.skype.com/2014/04/02/introducing-the-new-skype-for-windows-phone-8-1-and-improved-skype-for-windows-8-1/

New Skype for Windows Phone 8.1

 

Some features will be available on the current Skype app.

Basically just Phone app integration and cortana integration are the new features.


Showcases some old IE11 F12 features, along with some new ones in the latest update: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ie/bg182326%28v=vs.85%29

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gohpep    434

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2014/04/02/available-now-preview-of-project-orleans-cloud-services-at-scale.aspx

 

Project Orleans is released. It is a new approach to building distributed high-scale computing applications. It's been in development since 2011. Halo 4 uses it.

 

There is an actor model which is based on a collection of entities called actors. All the actors are modeled in the actor model. The actor model and actor is like OOP, there is a set state of methods and parameters that the actor can mutate. Actors send asynchronous messages using proxies with no reference to other actors, which isolates actors so failures are not widespread. Actors are single threaded.

 

Project Orleans is based on .NET. It enhances scalability and productivity.

 

Hello world looks likes this

public interface IHello : Orleans.IGrain
{
    Task<string> SayHelloAsync(string greeting);
}

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Luc2k    753

They said they were still talking about Windows 7 support. If they release it next year, it will give another reason to stay on Windows 7 when it gets extended support. DirectX 12 could boost Windows 8 sales if it was an exclusive, but some people may still hate them for not supporting Windows 7.

So many uncertain factors for 2015 like Mantle, OpenGL, W7 vs W8 install base. We'll have to wait and see.

 

I don't think so, with all the crap Gabe Newell has said about Windows 8.

As for MS, it makes Windows be on top, since one of the selling points is that is has most of the games.

Gabe loves money more than he hates/dislikes/whatever W8. Just look at the amount of shovelware that has invaded Steam this year.

MS published some games on Steam in 2013/2014, but I don't see any big name games and I'm not sure any of them are made by an actual owned studio. The more popular of those are on Steam already so I think the deal is there. They even released that Halo game which might as well be casual by PC RTS standards.

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gohpep    434

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/bharry/archive/2014/04/02/tfs-2013-2-update-2-released.aspx

Team Foundation Service v2 released.


So many uncertain factors for 2015 like Mantle, OpenGL, W7 vs W8 install base. We'll have to wait and see.

 

Gabe loves money more than he hates/dislikes/whatever W8. Just look at the amount of shovelware that has invaded Steam this year.

MS published some games on Steam in 2013/2014, but I don't see any big name games and I'm not sure any of them are made by an actual owned studio. The more popular of those are on Steam already so I think the deal is there. They even released that Halo game which might as well be casual by PC RTS standards.

There are rumors of Microsoft announcing PC titles on Steam at E3 2014.


http://blogs.msdn.com/b/rms/archive/2014/04/02/windows-server-fci-file-classification-infrastructure-now-supports-azure-rms.aspx

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/rms/archive/2014/04/02/announcement-windows-azure-rms-documentation-library-update-for-february-2014.aspx

New Windows Azure file server features.


And that's all the stories for today. Let's wait for tomorrow's goodies, which might be about the cloud.

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