[OFFICIAL] Windows 10 Insider Program

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Dot Matrix

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Mapped how?  Is Microsoft going to handle that?

 

Synaptics uses it, so does Logitech, and so does Beats audio.  I don't have much installed on my Windows machine right now, but those are examples.

There's a section of the zPC Settings application that listed as "OEM". My assumption is the PC Settings will be able to handle third party entries.

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+Zlip792 MVC

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Too big Build Updates, I would prefer smaller size incremental updates, really ###### off due to continuous error. I am deleting my Windows 10 VM, bye bye testing.

 

Still getting: Continuously getting 0x8024402C error on update.

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adrynalyne

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You'll still find the shortcuts in start menu to all those. 

So bury it several clicks in.

 

You missed the point.  Change just for the sake of change is stupid.  That is a good way to tick people off.

 

Surely MS learned their lesson from 8.

There's a section of the zPC Settings application that listed as "OEM". My assumption is the PC Settings will be able to handle third party entries.

Fair enough.

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HawkMan

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So bury it several clicks in.

 

You missed the point.  Change just for the sake of change is stupid.  That is a good way to tick people off.

 

Surely MS learned their lesson from 8.

Fair enough.

 

Or just do a search. Its stuff you use once maybe when you install, android perhaps a couple times a year.

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Dot Matrix

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Guys, is there any way to turn off these BIG notifications that pop up on the upper right screen BUT keep being notified in the Notification center? It's kind of stupid imo to have both. :/ And annoying.

Yes and no. Toasts are the new balloon notifications. You can change how long they are displayed though. You can also enable and disable which applications can send toasts.

All of that can be found in PC Settings.

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adrynalyne

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Or just do a search. Its stuff you use once maybe when you install, android perhaps a couple times a year.

That isn't the point.  How you use your computer is not how everyone else does.

 

If they move it to PC Settings, great.  Giving someone a workaround for hidden or functionality made more difficult just for the heck of it is not.

We are talking about the average consumer.  They are not going to see your advice as anything but a PITA and another reason to dislike Windows.

 

There were tons of workarounds and solutions given for using the Start Page.  We saw how that went.

 

I always search for things because it is quicker.  I am not naive enough to think that is how the majority use their computers, however.

 

Moot point anyway considering the OEM section in PC Settings that I was alerted to.

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TDT

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Yes and no. Toasts are the new balloon notifications. You can change how long they are displayed though. You can also enable and disable which applications can send toasts.

All of that can be found in PC Settings.

Yeah, I knew that much, but I wished you could keep the app active and be notified only via the NC. :(

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HawkMan

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That isn't the point.  How you use your computer is not how everyone else does.

 

If they move it to PC Settings, great.  Giving someone a workaround for hidden or functionality made more difficult just for the heck of it is not.

We are talking about the average consumer.  They are not going to see your advice as anything but a PITA and another reason to dislike Windows.

 

There were tons of workarounds and solutions given for using the Start Page.  We saw how that went.

 

I always search for things because it is quicker.  I am not naive enough to think that is how the majority use their computers, however.

 

Moot point anyway considering the OEM section in PC Settings that I was alerted to.

 

I doubt the OEM section is what you think it is, since it would be meaningless to anyone hut techies, invalidating pretty much your whole post.

 

Most likely the OEM section will be called "Lenovo" on Lenovo PC's and so on, and have custom PC settings for the OEM, not for 3rd party hardware. Like Logitech today, all that will be moved out of the CP and into apps of their own. They would have to add another 3rd party hardware section to the PC settings app if they wanted that. Old CP applets aren't compatible the PC setting CP anyway and would have to launch desktop apps from it, which is contrary to what they're trying to achieve

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adrynalyne

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I doubt the OEM section is what you think it is, since it would be meaningless to anyone hut techies, invalidating pretty much your whole post.

 

Most likely the OEM section will be called "Lenovo" on Lenovo PC's and so on, and have custom PC settings for the OEM, not for 3rd party hardware. Like Logitech today, all that will be moved out of the CP and into apps of their own. They would have to add another 3rd party hardware section to the PC settings app if they wanted that. Old CP applets aren't compatible the PC setting CP anyway and would have to launch desktop apps from it, which is contrary to what they're trying to achieve

Maybe, maybe not.  You don't know either so...

 

It makes perfect sense to me that they use it for OEMs and third parties, considering half of what OEMs throw into Control Panel...is third party.

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We are getting live lock according to winbeta.org

 

http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-10-microsoft-could-be-working-customizable-lock-screens-much-windows-phone-81

 

Here's the link to the story for those who are interested.

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adrynalyne

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third party hardware isn't really OEM.  OEM is to some degree third party, often second party more like.  But its not a two way street.

Yes it is considering how many times HP has added WildTangent to the control panel.

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HawkMan

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Yes it is considering how many times HP has added WildTangent to the control panel.

 

You don't understand OEM is 2nd/3rd party

But

3rd party isn't OEM.

 

If HP provides it as part of their package, it's OEM, if you buy it separately it's not OEM.

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adrynalyne

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You don't understand OEM is 2nd/3rd party

But

3rd party isn't OEM.

 

If HP provides it as part of their package, it's OEM, if you buy it separately it's not OEM.

You don't understand that OEMs add third party items not labeled as the OEM.  So...it makes sense an OEM section will add both.

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PGHammer

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Why?

 

Because settings redundancy is stupid in an OS. We don't need multiple places to configure the same crap.  I certainly don't need my settings split across two different locations.

I disagree.  It is acceptable in performance, but not faster than 8.1 Update 1.  If anything, the extra debug code is probably slowing it down some.

How will they take care of legacy apps that use the control panel?

Maintaining both Control Panel and PC Settings IS settings redundancy - same applies to Control Panel and Server Manager on the server side of Windows.  That is why Control Panel (on both sides) is going away.

 

Control Panel uses the legacy/classic UI - PC Settings does not.  Not everyone is a perfect mouser - which is why I prefer ModernUI going forward.

 

I just provide the data - different users will have different data.

 

It's why I asked the question earlier in the thread about *why* a preference for Control Panel.  Some users are quite happy with where things are, and resist change mightily  -and doubtless can only express their opinion about change in negative ways.  (Emotional reaction - not a logical reaction.)

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HawkMan

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You don't understand that OEMs add third party items not labeled as the OEM.  So...it makes sense an OEM section will add both.

 

I understand quite clearly, explained in in my previous post.

 

Do you also seriously believe MS will have a section called OEM in the final windows release? That's definitely the windows 10 version of the OEM customization era from previous windows.

 

 

And if HP bundles a razor keyboard with their gaming desktop, with or without custom labels and/or software, its OEM. If you buy of separately it's not OEM. That's just how it works, you can't change that just because you think it should be that way even if it is identical hardware and software.

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adrynalyne

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I understand quite clearly, explained in in my previous post.

 

Do you also seriously believe MS will have a section called OEM in the final windows release? That's definitely the windows 10 version of the OEM customization era from previous windows.

 

 

And if HP bundles a razor keyboard with their gaming desktop, with or without custom labels and/or software, its OEM. If you buy of separately it's not OEM. That's just how it works, you can't change that just because you think it should be that way even if it is identical hardware and software.

OMG...I am just saying that they look to be moving them to another section in PC Settings.  Get on with your life!

 

Control Panel uses the legacy/classic UI - PC Settings does not.  Not everyone is a perfect mouser - which is why I prefer ModernUI going forward.

 

 

Win +X + P + first two letters of option.

 

No mouse needed.  I dont mind one or the other, as long as one dies.

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neo158

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I have win10 on my mac book pro and I upgraded today to the new build with no issues. My P9X79 deluxe (or some other hardware component) seems to refuse it though got WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR when I tried a clean install and the same for upgrading from win8.1. So I am missing out some of the fun :/

 

If you have Windows 8.1 Pro then you could use Hyper-V ;)

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adrynalyne

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Based on what? A section called OEM? Which has nothing to do with 3rd party hardware?

I am moving on. You can dwell on this if you like, but common sense dictates they are compartmentalizing PC Settings, no matter how much you want to argue about it.

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Gorilambo

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Horrific reboot times, anyone..? :/

Yup, here it takes 10 times longer than the previous build. I'm sure it has to do with Intel Rapid Storage drivers. Terrible reboot time and the PC is only usable after three minutes it powers on.

I tried reintalling the drivers, but it was no good. Right after you login to your system, check Task Manager and see if IAStorDataSvc (32 bit) is eating up your resources.

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Mugwump00

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Yup, here it takes 10 times longer than the previous build. I'm sure it has to do with Intel Rapid Storage drivers. Terrible reboot time and the PC is only usable after three minutes it powers on.

I tried reintalling the drivers, but it was no good. Right after you login to your system, check Task Manager and see if IAStorDataSvc (32 bit) is eating up your resources.

 

Either I was having some DNS-issues, or the post Update hotfix has fixed it.  Either way my EFI NUC is back on song.

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