[Official] Star Trek: Discovery Thread

[Matthew S.]

32 minutes ago, spacelordmaster said:

In Star Trek III: The Search for Spock they brought him back to life and transferred all his mind and memories back to him on Vulcan. In Star Trek: Nemesis DATA sacrificed himself to save The Enterprise but not before transferring his mind and memories earlier to his prototype brother B4. In a sense, DATA was gone and not gone because B4 is actually DATA but not as advanced as he was. So in a sense, DATA is still alive.

 

 

And in the books Soong made a new more advanced body, mind you, it was originally intended for himself but he sacrificed himself to save his son's.

[techbeck]

1 hour ago, spacelordmaster said:

 

Nemesis DATA sacrificed himself to save The Enterprise but not before transferring his mind and memories earlier to his prototype brother B4. In a sense, DATA was gone and not gone because B4 is actually DATA but not as advanced as he was. So in a sense, DATA is still alive.

 

I was hoping to have another TNG movie where Data comes back  My fav character from TNG.

[George P Global Moderator]

8 hours ago, techbeck said:

I was hoping to have another TNG movie where Data comes back  My fav character from TNG.

Who knows how many TNG movies we could've gotten had each one not made less money than the one before it.  By the time Nemesis releases the TNG movies were on their last legs, it just wasn't making enough money to justify yet another one.

 

Anyways, back to discovery, I had forgotten this season is shorter, only 2 eps left!

[LOC Veteran]

Wait, oh man that's right. Only 10 episodes this season! So with Red Angel this week, we're probably going to literally learn all the details finally, leading into the interestingly named finale "Perpetual Infinity". I hope we don't end on a massive cliffhanger though, since we're gonna have to wait until at least Jan. 2020 before we get new episodes again. Unless CBS wants to rush out a new season this year, but with the Picard series supposedly coming this year I doubt that very much (unless it gets delayed).

 

*Edit* So, yeah there are actually 14 episodes this season, 2 more than the first season. Dunno why I thought there was only 10, but eh whatever 😛 More episodes the better I say at this point cuz its gettin good!

[George P Global Moderator]

2 hours ago, LOC said:

Wait, oh man that's right. Only 10 episodes this season! So with Red Angel this week, we're probably going to literally learn all the details finally, leading into the interestingly named finale "Perpetual Infinity". I hope we don't end on a massive cliffhanger though, since we're gonna have to wait until at least Jan. 2020 before we get new episodes again. Unless CBS wants to rush out a new season this year, but with the Picard series supposedly coming this year I doubt that very much (unless it gets delayed).

 

*Edit* So, yeah there are actually 14 episodes this season, 2 more than the first season. Dunno why I thought there was only 10, but eh whatever 😛 More episodes the better I say at this point cuz its gettin good!

Weird, the tv show app I use on my phone to keep track of all the shows I watch says it's 11 eps, but checking on imdb it goes up to 14, oh well.    The more the better in this case or else it'd be a really rushed ending.

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Burnham?  Really?...blah

 

[Matthew S.]

 

 

 

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Mom? Really?

 

[LOC Veteran]

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Thank god it wasn't Michael! So I don't have to see that smug Nerdrotic clapping how he was right all along and Discovery is garbage. So yeah, I forget who it was but someone on Youtube had said they think one of Michael's parents is the Red Angel. Looks like they were right

 

[techbeck]

I guess I should have waited to comment after watching the whole episode.....

[Rippleman]

Do not reveal if you have not seen episode March 21 20019

 

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While I didn't know if was mom or dad, it makes sense since if she knew ahead of time what they were going to do (and that it was a trap), her future self would have avoided it/done something different. It was infuriating me that no one on discovery thought of this ahead of time.

 

[spacelordmaster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSL2Om8NwaA

[techbeck]

28 minutes ago, spacelordmaster said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSL2Om8NwaA

[George P Global Moderator]

I'm a little late in seeing the episode but it makes sense.

 

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It's a nice twist really, having it be her mom when you think about it.  Heck the episode itself should have put the idea in your head early on when they're talking about her parents being there because her mom was the head engineer on the time suit.   I like the way this went actually and it makes more sense now that you know the whole story behind the suit, and how it brings it all around to the beginning for MB.

 

[LOC Veteran]

1 hour ago, George P said:

I'm a little late in seeing the episode but it makes sense.

 

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It's a nice twist really, having it be her mom when you think about it.  Heck the episode itself should have put the idea in your head early on when they're talking about her parents being there because her mom was the head engineer on the time suit.   I like the way this went actually and it makes more sense now that you know the whole story behind the suit, and how it brings it all around to the beginning for MB.

 

No, its DRECK its the worst thing on TV or in media and its making REAL Star Trek look bad. Its ruining my childhood and my Trek memories and I can never ever again enjoy Star Trek thanks to STD! (nice abbreviation stupid show runners! morons!) I'm never watching this dumpster fire of a "show" again and I can't wait until S3 rolls around to finally see it cancelled because its DRECK! DRECK I SAY!

 

*Sorry, my Nerdrotic like response may come off as negative, but I was trying to approximate the response one of his subs might do, lol might have went overboard a bit I think. Obviously I enjoy the show and don't feel that way though I understand people who don't like the show fine enough. Its the Nerdrotic types who hate on the show for hate sake and just spew SJW this and SJW that about it.

[Steven P. Administrators]

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yeah so weeks and weeks and section 31 knowing about the red angel and then "oh it's that suit we lost from years ago dohhhhh"

 

lazy writing, and more 'annoying tilly' showing exactly why she should never have a command of anything.

 

Yes this show is a massive cop out and an exercise in political correctness if you ask me, and I don't even care about prime or JJ timelines, if it is done right then it makes me happy, but this isn't.

[George P Global Moderator]

53 minutes ago, Steven P. said:

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yeah so weeks and weeks and section 31 knowing about the red angel and then "oh it's that suit we lost from years ago dohhhhh"

 

lazy writing, and more 'annoying tilly' showing exactly why she should never have a command of anything.

 

Yes this show is a massive cop out and an exercise in political correctness if you ask me, and I don't even care about prime or JJ timelines, if it is done right then it makes me happy, but this isn't.

I don't see it that way.

 

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If you're a secret org who lost a super top secret time travel device you would tell people about it?  No, you would try to get it back or just hide it.  The fact they saw Spock had details about it is why they were after him from the start and tried to silence him/wipe his memories of it.  The fact that the whole time travel thing, yet again in trek, backfired should be no surprise to those who've seen past shows.   Personally I think it all ties in well together and does explain why Burnham is the central figure in the show so far.

 

After this season ends it'll be even more interesting to see how the show shifts next season, I expect it might yet again go closer to the older show formula of past trek series.  Actually I would be shocked if season 3 is yet again Burnham centric as it has been.

[spacelordmaster]

A probe Discovery sent out traveled in time 500 years into the future, came back altered. Airiam's body launched into space in a casket (like Spock was in Star Trek II).....Hmmmmm

 

I smell The Borg in Season 3.

 

UPDATE: Look what I just found!!!

 

https://comicbook.com/startrek/2018/05/30/star-trek-discovery-borg/

 

[redfish]

8 hours ago, Steven P. said:

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yeah so weeks and weeks and section 31 knowing about the red angel and then "oh it's that suit we lost from years ago dohhhhh"

 

lazy writing, and more 'annoying tilly' showing exactly why she should never have a command of anything.

 

Yes this show is a massive cop out and an exercise in political correctness if you ask me, and I don't even care about prime or JJ timelines, if it is done right then it makes me happy, but this isn't.

 

Yea, I don't care about "canon". Its fun for a lot of reasons if there's some continuity between series in a franchise, but I'm ready to respect any show, or any new take on a franchise, if its well-written and well-produced. But after watching the first season of Discovery, and just looking at the quality of the show as a series on its own, and forgetting about its relationship to Star Trek; I think there are maybe a few things about it I like, but a lot that I don't like.

 

Yes, and one of them is that you can't help avoid is lot of the show feels it has a written-by-committee vibe to it; and in this case, yes, PC committee. The political aspect isn't the biggest problem, since I think you can have a show driven by progressive politics or one by conservative politics that's well-written and thought-provoking. The biggest problem is how hokey and obvious it feels at times and how bad the writing is around it.

 

But, then there are a whole lot of other issues I have with the writing. It feels really campy a lot of the time, and like a bad prime time soap opera a lot of the rest of the time. The sci-fi situations are really ludicrous and tedious; for example, this stood out in the first episode with Michael arguing with the computer to let her out of the brig. Many of the characters seem like two-dimensional cartoons taken from a comic book. In many ways it feels like a Star Trek show written by someone who hates Star Trek. Which just makes it feel like a big mess more than anything.

 

The things that Discovery changes from the original Trek formula are mistakes not because they're changes, but because they were things that originally worked. For example, a lot of the original Trek aliens looked pretty close to humans because Roddenberry tried to stay away from making it feel that the alien species we were supposed to empathize with were wearing "rubber masks" that restricted their facial expressions. And that's in part why the new Klingon design was so awful, because it felt like a rubber mask. I also found it bad in the same way as the Remans (Nemesis) and the Na'kuhl (Enterprise), because it basically turned them into cartoons. And then the heavy use of subtitles which was purposely avoided in Trek for the same reasons...

 

So... I can give Season 2 a chance, but I just don't feel that into it.

[FloatingFatMan]

17 hours ago, George P said:

I'm a little late in seeing the episode but it makes sense.

 

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It's a nice twist really, having it be her mom when you think about it.  Heck the episode itself should have put the idea in your head early on when they're talking about her parents being there because her mom was the head engineer on the time suit.   I like the way this went actually and it makes more sense now that you know the whole story behind the suit, and how it brings it all around to the beginning for MB.

 

Makes sense? Whut?!

 

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All through the ep they make a big thing of Michael being the red angel, based on her bio signature.  Then sudden it's actually her mom, who is a different person and would have a different bio signature!  They contradicted themselves in their own bloody episode. 

 

IT MADE NO SENSE!!

 

Their writers are idiots, and so is the director for not even catching such a massive hole in their plot.

 

 

[Steven P. Administrators]

15 minutes ago, FloatingFatMan said:

Makes sense? Whut?!

 

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All through the ep they make a big thing of Michael being the red angel, based on her bio signature.  Then sudden it's actually her mom, who is a different person and would have a different bio signature!  They contradicted themselves in their own bloody episode. 

 

IT MADE NO SENSE!!

 

Their writers are idiots, and so is the director for not even catching such a massive hole in their plot.

 

 

You are right

 

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They even had a bit where they said that AI wouldn't be able to duplicate her bio signature as accurately.

 

[FloatingFatMan]

4 minutes ago, Steven P. said:

You are right

 

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They even had a bit where they said that AI wouldn't be able to duplicate her bio signature as accurately.

 

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Which was also stupid because, in the episode before, we had an AI making holorecords so convincing that it not only had Starfleet believing Spock was a killer, but it convinced Section 31, a very suspicious organisation, that it was their admiral in charge...

 

It's almost as if they have a completely different writing team for each episode, and all they have are cliffnotes of the previous episode written by someone who heard about the episode from their best friends second cousin's dog's former owner that they met one night in a pub and who saw an episode synopsis on Nerdrotic's YT channel...

[George P Global Moderator]

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The whole biosignature is not hard to explain if you take into account the AI has managed to infiltrate deeper than they thought, case in pint, the captain being killed in such a way, then the AI faking his voice to give orders.  The biosignature was a setup, they didn't pick it up, they didn't think a future AI would be that advanced, they got played.  And heck, by the reaction you guys are having you got played to, you should've picked up on it.

 

As much as the episode tried to tell you this was all their plan to catch the red angel, it was as much the future AI using them with faked info.  Come on guys, the preview for the next ep makes it pretty clear they just got used and they were outsmarted.   Burnhams line to the ship about blowing the place up makes it clear that things didn't go right.

 

[Som]

11 hours ago, spacelordmaster said:

A probe Discovery sent out traveled in time 500 years into the future, came back altered. Airiam's body launched into space in a casket (like Spock was in Star Trek II).....Hmmmmm

 

I smell The Borg in Season 3.

 

UPDATE: Look what I just found!!!

 

https://comicbook.com/startrek/2018/05/30/star-trek-discovery-borg/

 

second i saw that probe i thought borg, be kinda cool to see how they look on a bigger budget

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18 hours ago, Steven P. said:

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yeah so weeks and weeks and section 31 knowing about the red angel and then "oh it's that suit we lost from years ago dohhhhh"

 

lazy writing, and more 'annoying tilly' showing exactly why she should never have a command of anything.

 

Yes this show is a massive cop out and an exercise in political correctness if you ask me, and I don't even care about prime or JJ timelines, if it is done right then it makes me happy, but this isn't.

What is politically correct about this show? It's something I've asked countless times on other forums and never can get an answer.

[LOC Veteran]

Its the fact they gave Spock a learning disability, the fact that all the men on the show seem subservient to the women (specifically Michael), that Michael is the end all be all of the show, its a ton of things that are all, apparently, killing Star Trek and ruining society as a whole.

 

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Also you guys are forgetting there are still 3 or 4 episodes left and it may still be Michael who turns out to don the red angel suit in the end. If the suit uses a quantum signature or DNA or whatever - Michael and her mother are obviously heavily similar so if something happens to the mother (or we find out the mother is evil and working for or is part of the evil AI from the future) Michael can use the suit to fix certain things in time. MAYBE, I don't know because that would confuse me even more actually now that I think about it.