[Official] Star Trek: Discovery Thread

[George P Global Moderator]

50 minutes ago, LOC said:

Its the fact they gave Spock a learning disability, the fact that all the men on the show seem subservient to the women (specifically Michael), that Michael is the end all be all of the show, its a ton of things that are all, apparently, killing Star Trek and ruining society as a whole.

 

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Also you guys are forgetting there are still 3 or 4 episodes left and it may still be Michael who turns out to don the red angel suit in the end. If the suit uses a quantum signature or DNA or whatever - Michael and her mother are obviously heavily similar so if something happens to the mother (or we find out the mother is evil and working for or is part of the evil AI from the future) Michael can use the suit to fix certain things in time. MAYBE, I don't know because that would confuse me even more actually now that I think about it.

 

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You bring up a valid point, we still have a number of episodes left so this being time travel related she could use the suit herself.  It's either that or the AI just used them with fake data and they fell for it.  It's not so hard to figure a advanced AI from the future can outsmart humans.

 

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On 3/24/2019 at 10:57 AM, Som said:

second i saw that probe i thought borg, be kinda cool to see how they look on a bigger budget

I was thinking Borg as well with the probe and what happened Leland with the retina scan (possible nanites).  I thought that Airiam could be the genesis of the Borg, though I always envisioned V'Ger was the birth of the Borg.

 

Part of me doesn't want the Borg to be brought into Discovery.  It seems when the writers run out of things it either let mess with time or let's bring in the Borg.  Also wouldn't the be messing with the timeline again by introducing the Borg earlier then Picard/Enterprise encounter?

 

On 3/23/2019 at 5:40 PM, George P said:

Actually I would be shocked if season 3 is yet again Burnham centric as it has been.

When Discovery was first announced that it would be centered around Burnham so I don't see that changing anytime soon.

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2 hours ago, primortal said:

I was thinking Borg as well with the probe and what happened Leland with the retina scan (possible nanites).  I thought that Airiam could be the genesis of the Borg, though I always envisioned V'Ger was the birth of the Borg.

 

Part of me doesn't want the Borg to be brought into Discovery.  It seems when the writers run out of things it either let mess with time or let's bring in the Borg.  Also wouldn't the be messing with the timeline again by introducing the Borg earlier then Picard/Enterprise encounter?

 

When Discovery was first announced that it would be centered around Burnham so I don't see that changing anytime soon.

It could be from her PoV still but the story/plot doesn't have to be so much. 

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2 hours ago, primortal said:

I was thinking Borg as well with the probe and what happened Leland with the retina scan (possible nanites).  I thought that Airiam could be the genesis of the Borg, though I always envisioned V'Ger was the birth of the Borg.

 

Part of me doesn't want the Borg to be brought into Discovery.  It seems when the writers run out of things it either let mess with time or let's bring in the Borg.  Also wouldn't the be messing with the timeline again by introducing the Borg earlier then Picard/Enterprise encounter?

 

When Discovery was first announced that it would be centered around Burnham so I don't see that changing anytime soon.

7 of 9/vaadwaur establish that Borg were around in the 14th century, well before NASA/vger and First Contact, and at that time were a minor power, only assimilating a handful of systems.

 

Enterprise already messed with that though, the borg interacted with NX-01/assimilated Arctic station and crew. They did send a signal. So timeline is already messed up for the first encounter with Picard.

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On 3/24/2019 at 1:26 PM, LOC said:

Its the fact they gave Spock a learning disability, the fact that all the men on the show seem subservient to the women (specifically Michael), that Michael is the end all be all of the show, its a ton of things that are all, apparently, killing Star Trek and ruining society as a whole.

 

I'm not sure if you're being serious, or just repeating what you've heard. 

 

What was Voyager then? Women Captain, Chief Engineer, Seven of Nine, etc... people read into whatever they want to read into. I'm not seeing any of that. 

 

Spock being LD somehow caters to other learning disabled people? Shock. Horror. If that's the political correctness people are getting bent out of shape over, then well, they need to talk to someone about their own insecurities. 

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39 minutes ago, shockz said:

Enterprise already messed with that though, the borg interacted with NX-01/assimilated Arctic station and crew. They did send a signal. So timeline is already messed up for the first encounter with Picard.

 

True, forgot about the borg and Enterprise.  Time to rewatch Enterprise again

[LOC Veteran]

1 hour ago, shockz said:

I'm not sure if you're being serious, or just repeating what you've heard. 

 

What was Voyager then? Women Captain, Chief Engineer, Seven of Nine, etc... people read into whatever they want to read into. I'm not seeing any of that. 

 

Spock being LD somehow caters to other learning disabled people? Shock. Horror. If that's the political correctness people are getting bent out of shape over, then well, they need to talk to someone about their own insecurities. 

No I was specifically mentioning things that for example - Nerdrotic talks about ALL the time, along with Mightnight's Edge and a few other Youtubers. And that's exactly how I feel, if they feel so insecure that Trek is showing Spock with a LD or that Michael Burnham is the end all be all of the show (shock horror she's a GIRL!) then they need to talk to someone. Its just nuts that a segment of the Trek fanbase is SO opposite to everything Trek has stood for for over 50 damn years now. But I guess some of it is just for clicks and views, so whatever.

[George P Global Moderator]

I'm sure if the internet was around like it is now when Voyager first aired we'd have the same arguments about there being a female captain.  Just ignore those people. The fact is that discovery looks to be doing well that it got a 3rd season and CBS is expanding it with more shows.  This should make trek fans happy overall.  The way this season is going makes me more interested in seeing how they take it in season 3 and how closer to canon we get after this whole time travel bit in this season is wrapped up.

 

Actually, I just got the idea that in order to stop this enemy they'll probably use the spore drive on last time, for good, and it'll get lost thus never showing up in use again.   It's easy to just write it off because they can't find another way to navigate but that'd be too easy to do IMO.

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1 minute ago, George P said:

I'm sure if the internet was around like it is now when Voyager first aired we'd have the same arguments about there being a female captain.  Just ignore those people. The fact is that discovery looks to be doing well that it got a 3rd season and CBS is expanding it with more shows.  This should make trek fans happy overall.  The way this season is going makes me more interested in seeing how they take it in season 3 and how closer to canon we get after this whole time travel bit in this season is wrapped up.

 

Actually, I just got the idea that in order to stop this enemy they'll probably use the spore drive on last time, for good, and it'll get lost thus never showing up in use again.   It's easy to just write it off because they can't find another way to navigate but that'd be too easy to do IMO.

Lol the Internet was around back then and it wasn't much different than it is now. We have faster video and more social media sites.

 

4 hours ago, LOC said:

Its just nuts that a segment of the Trek fanbase is SO opposite to everything Trek has stood for for over 50 damn years now. 

Yea, IMO part of the problem is treating Trek as if it should "stand for" something other than well-written and thought-provoking sci-fi, whether it comes from a liberal perspective or a conservative perspective, or whatever. Nothing is a substitute for thoughtful writing, and sometimes writers (or committees, as I said, I think the show feels like its written by a committee) do things as a substitute for that. I haven't watched an Youtubers rant about this -- in fact I don't even know who any of those names are -- so I can't judge how accurately you summarized these Youtubers, I just watched the show and came to my own conclusions.

 

Don't feel the need to get so defensive just because I don't like the show !

[LOC Veteran]

I don't care what the Discovery haters think or say, I thought tonight's episode was awesome.

 

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Its being hinted there is something else at play, since Burnham's mom didn't know about the red signals (unless she was lying, so who knows). I'm still going to say the AI from Discovery 1,000 years in the future is going to play a part in something. I mean, Mom went 950 years into the future, seems kinda odd that Discovery would be ordered to remain for 1,000 years or so in a nebula just chilling out when Mom went to almost that exact same time frame. How this all ties into fixing the canon etc, at this point I have no idea. I'm all for whatever they wind up story wise, but I will be kinda let down if Burnham herself has been doing the red signals somehow (though I think the AI from Discovery is doing that also, since its fixated on the ship for a reason)

 

[Matthew S.]

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Please tell me there not retcon'ing the origin of the borg, yet again.

 

[LOC Veteran]

3 hours ago, Matthew S. said:

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Please tell me there not retcon'ing the origin of the borg, yet again.

 

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I doubt it very much, though I wouldn't put it past them to do it. I mean, with time travel involved they could pull it off without violating what we know about the origins of the Borg right? Say Leeland gets Airiam's body does whatever to it, then Discovery etc all come in and that's where the season ends with Leeland finished off, control destroyed - but Airiam's body somehow transported to the past and she is the original Borg queen. I mean, I've heard worse. But again, I doubt it. Are they really going to tie SO much of Trek's past to the Borg like that? Maybe lol

 

[George P Global Moderator]

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I don't think the Borg are going to come into play in this. They've used the Borg too much already, they seem to be the fallback plan B when writers are out of ideas.  I'm going to make a guess here but I think that maybe, and I could be totally off, the sphere data is now split.  They never managed to send it all over, basically just half of it.  Shouldn't the rest still be on Discovery?  Which looks to be the case as to why Control is coming after them still in the next episode preview.

 

So I'm thinking they use their part of the data along with the ships computer and leave it in the nebula for 1k years.   You can sorta see how we might get two AIs in the future each from half the sphere data but one good and one bad, maybe?

 

Or maybe they're just leaving the ship there because they know the suit is damaged and it's there to help fix it in the future?    It could be simple or it could be totally time travel crazy.

 

[LOC Veteran]

Wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff?

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Original source: https://www.deviantart.com/rocketman28/art/Doctor-who-startrek-crossover-417761042

 

That explains it!!! and the AI is the CyberMen !!! 

 

 

[Matthew S.]

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I like science...

 

 

[techbeck]

On 3/29/2019 at 8:56 AM, Matthew S. said:

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Please tell me there not retcon'ing the origin of the borg, yet again.

 

I hope not.  But that is the way it looks.

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I like science...

 

 

haha, that was great.

 

Episode was good IMO.  Look forward to this weeks episode.

[George P Global Moderator]

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How can they retcon the origins of the Borg when there is, as far as I know, no official explanation for it in Canon.  I only know of different theories going around but nothing in one of the series that says for sure where the Borg come from or how they started.

 

Besides, while there is time travel going on, the AI is from the future, unless the AI infected Lelend gets sent back in time and also sent to the delta quadrant as well, then I don't see it being Borg related.  Remember, the AI wants to kill all organic life, as per the visions of the future we have seen.  The Borg are half organic and don't get rid of organic life they assimilate it.  So I don't see the connections, unless the AI changes it's mind in the process of getting sent back in time and figures it's best to go with a hybrid Borg path to taking over?

 

 

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5 hours ago, George P said:

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How can they retcon the origins of the Borg when there is, as far as I know, no official explanation for it in Canon.  I only know of different theories going around but nothing in one of the series that says for sure where the Borg come from or how they started.

 

Besides, while there is time travel going on, the AI is from the future, unless the AI infected Lelend gets sent back in time and also sent to the delta quadrant as well, then I don't see it being Borg related.  Remember, the AI wants to kill all organic life, as per the visions of the future we have seen.  The Borg are half organic and don't get rid of organic life they assimilate it.  So I don't see the connections, unless the AI changes it's mind in the process of getting sent back in time and figures it's best to go with a hybrid Borg path to taking over?

 

 

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Unless there is  some weird twist in which the AI was defeated/re-programmed.   I would think if the Borg originated in the DQ, then the first race to be assimilated would be the humans.    Tho, LeLand did look kinda Borg like in the last scene with Ash.

 

As far as the AI appearing  being from the future, as long as time travel is in the mix, anything can happen.

 

 

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33 minutes ago, techbeck said:

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Unless there is  some weird twist in which the AI was defeated/re-programmed.   I would think if the Borg originated in the DQ, then the first race to be assimilated would be the humans.    Tho, LeLand did look kinda Borg like in the last scene with Ash.

 

As far as the AI appearing  being from the future, as long as time travel is in the mix, anything can happen.

 

 

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The look is the same sure, they both use nanomachines to take over the organic body, so that doesn't surprise me.  Still,  like you said, with time travel in the mix we don't know for sure.  Maybe the AI decided the best way to win would be to go half and half aka the borg and not just full machine?

 

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On 4/2/2019 at 4:21 AM, techbeck said:

Episode was good IMO.  Look forward to this weeks episode.

Good? GOOD? That episode had so much stupid in it I got a nosebleed...

 

More holes in it than Trump's brain...

[techbeck]

27 minutes ago, FloatingFatMan said:

Good? GOOD? That episode had so much stupid in it I got a nosebleed...

 

More holes in it than Trump's brain...

I liked the episode and I don't get caught up analyzing every aspect of what I watch.  If I do, I would not enjoy anything I watch and it would be no fun.

 

And really, leave Trump comments out of this please.

[LOC Veteran]

Yeah like I said I'm giving the show the benefit of the doubt here that they know how they are going to end this arc etc. Whether they stick the landing and it makes ANY sense, who knows. Will it fit Discovery into canon properly with how it ends? Probably not but I'm not a stickler for "canon is life!" like a section of the internet is apparently. The show has problems, obviously. EVERY Trek show had problems the first season or two (or three in some cases, hi VOY and ENT) along with fan backlash on the direction of the shows in question.

 

That being said, if the end of this arc is dumbass quality, I'll call it dumbass quality and that's that. I'm in my mid-40s now, I don't dwell on such trivial things anymore like I did 2 decades ago. If I did I'd go insane with the way WWE is being handled, and the way politics are in our country now and etc etc.

[George P Global Moderator]

I don't expect the ending of this season to line up with canon fully, I do expect it to get closer and then whatever is left they can do in season 3 and a possible season 4 after that.

[FloatingFatMan]

I really don't mind if it lines up with canon or not, I just want it to make SENSE and be inline with ITSELF!  Right now, it can't even go a full episode without contradicting itself or just going full derp.

 

Is it weird that 2 of the best episodes so far have been directed by a former TNG cast member, Johnathan Frakes?  Maybe that should tell CBS something...

 

Just a few of the problems...

 

1. An AI that wants to gain sentience, when the very wish to attain sentience is itself an indicator of sentience!

2. An "absolutely unfakeable 100% accurate bio-signature" that the doctor would KNOW if it wasn't Michael's, turns out to not be Michael.  Are these guys even proof reading their scripts?

3. If a time traveler is going to get "rooted" to one particular time, surely it would make more sense to get rooted to your origin time, and not some random one where you landed up the first time you used it?

4. The Red Angel suit is a time suit, not a fricking warp equipped shuttle. She landed in deep space, so how the hell did she get to a planet?

5. The time crystal was destroyed, yet the time suit, AND Michael's mom (who wasn't in the suit), still time traveled.

6.  Time travel is not omnipotence. It makes zero sense that Michael's mom was there and watched every moment of Michael's life as she grew up. Also, I see nothing that indicates it has built in stealth capabilities, so how come she wasn't seen?