[Official] Star Trek: Discovery Thread

[spacelordmaster]

I just now had the opportunity to finally watch the finale of Season 2 and all I have to say is: WOW. What an episode. They really went over budget on that one. That was spectacular. It felt like a film. It had more intense battles and visuals than Into Darkness. This episode was simply awesome. Season 2 went out with a bang. Anson Mount's performance as Captain Pike - priceless. Doug Jones Saru was great. Everyone did an excellent job. Discovery is now in the future, 1,000 years in the future. Is going to be very interesting how they evolve and what will happen now that they will pretty much have a canon and story of their own.

 

Now someone please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the quadrant where they are going where Voyager was lost? And isn't that Quadrant where the Borg come from?

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8 minutes ago, spacelordmaster said:

I just now had the opportunity to finally watch the finale of Season 2 and all I have to say is: WOW. What an episode. They really went over budget on that one. That was spectacular. It felt like a film. It had more intense battles and visuals than Into Darkness. This episode was simply awesome. Season 2 went out with a bang. Anson Mount's performance as Captain Pike - priceless. Doug Jones Saru was great. Everyone did an excellent job. Discovery is now in the future, 1,000 years in the future. Is going to be very interesting how they evolve and what will happen now that they will pretty much have a canon and story of their own.

 

Now someone please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the quadrant where they are going where Voyager was lost? And isn't that Quadrant where the Borg come from?

Borg existed in the 1300s. Unless Discovery somehow retcons the origin of the Borg. But the Borg were in the Delta Quadrant primarily. Their safe harbor was in the beta quadrant, 50,000 light years iirc. The borg certainly could be around in the 32nd century though.

[theyarecomingforyou]

I stated from the beginning that I thought Discovery had potential—despite some questionable decisions and character inconsistencies in Season 1—but I wasn't expecting the show to improve as dramatically as it has in Season 2. It's now following a similar trajectory as TNG and DS9, where the initial seasons had some narrative and character issues but each really came into their own as the shows progressed. Also, I absolutely love what the did with Pike, Spock and Number One and they absolutely deserve their own show.

 

That being said, Season 3 is a massive risk for the show jumping so far into the future and they have to handle things really carefully. It could make canon extremely messy if they try to fill in the backstory in too much detail. Also, time travel was established in Voyager (29th century) and Enterprise (31st century), in the latter of which it was stated that time travelling technology was common place. That means they're going to have to walk an extremely delicate line.

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On 4/19/2019 at 10:51 AM, George P said:

If they ever did a Pike series it'd be, at best, in 2021.  And the schedule would have to be worked out.   It takes up a lot of your time, 8 months, for season 2, and it's 14 eps.   So for the right $$ and a better schedule, Mount is in, he's said so.  And I find it very interesting that they enterprise bridge set they built is it's own set, in a different area, and not an old set they "redressed" as is the case in other shows.

 

I think it's CBS planning ahead and wanting to keep it around and put to use.

I’d be happy with an 6-8 Episodes of a Pike series.

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I would love it if they retrofit Discovery as the first "actor" in the temporal cold war some how down the line. Maybe not season 3 per se but going forward why not tie everything together there also? Enterprise's future dude (everyone online thinks is Archer but I digress) was never given a face, so why not make it say, someone on Discovery then? I'm sure they haven't even thought about that story line since like, 2003 or so but still.

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1 hour ago, primortal said:

I’d be happy with an 6-8 Episodes of a Pike series.

Yeah, it doesn't have to be 14 eps or so, it could be 8 and it'd work if they're just stand alone without some overarching plot to follow.   I also need more number 1, she's great!

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46 minutes ago, Riva said:

We nerds are already in the millions and at the same time the reboots failed to capture new audiences. So from a monetary point of view you need those nerds

The first film did well critically and at the box office, whilst Into Darkness improved on the box office but proved a bit more divisive amonst fans (although I thought it was fantastic). That was then followed with the dire Beyond, which was just a tired Hollywood action film - that's not surprising given the director was Justin Lin, who should never have been let anywhere near the franchise.

 

Considering that Trek had been effectively dead until the Kevlin timeline I think the films did an excellent job reestablishing the franchise so that we could see a return of quality TV series, which is where Trek has always excelled.

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“We nerds are already” acting as entitled and bratty as if it’s the casting of a female captain of Voyager again while overstating your influence based upon a letter writing campaign from many decades ago.

 

You are not the target audience, put on your big boy pants and either watch or don’t, but nobody buys this pathetic “our trek” routine.

[margrave]

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This episode was amazing! I loved that whole space battle. Love how they wrapped things up too.

 

Also loved how the time jump special effects looked like they were ripped out of Space Odyssey too.

 

I too would love to see a show following Pike as captain of the Enterprise. Anson was amazing! I also think I need more of that Number One in my life. Rebecca Romijn is such a great actress!

 

I think Discovery as a show is now going to become the next Voyager. Ship stranded away from anything we've known or seen.

 

Star Trek: Lost in Space ...er... Time.

 

Maybe they can start jumping back and forth through time until they end up with things like they were in the beginning. I'd be happy with just fixing the damn Klingons. I don't like the space fish people look. It's not an issue of 'my trek' as much of my wanting temporal continuity.

 

 

 

[spacelordmaster]

2 hours ago, theyarecomingforyou said:

The first film did well critically and at the box office, whilst Into Darkness improved on the box office but proved a bit more divisive amonst fans (although I thought it was fantastic). That was then followed with the dire Beyond, which was just a tired Hollywood action film - that's not surprising given the director was Justin Lin, who should never have been let anywhere near the franchise.

 

Considering that Trek had been effectively dead until the Kevlin timeline I think the films did an excellent job reestablishing the franchise so that we could see a return of quality TV series, which is where Trek has always excelled.

Yes I agree that Justin Lin should have never been allowed to direct Star Trek Beyond. A good choice would have been Jonathan Frakes - a true Star Trek veteran. Hell, William Shatner would have done a better job at directing than Lin did. He just blew that movie. He tried to turn it into a Fast & The Furious in Space type of thing. Ridiculous.

 

I honestly think they should have waited until JJ Abrams was available and let him do all 3 sequels. They hurried them too much.

27 minutes ago, margrave said:

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This episode was amazing! I loved that whole space battle. Love how they wrapped things up too.

 

Also loved how the time jump special effects looked like they were ripped out of Space Odyssey too.

 

I too would love to see a show following Pike as captain of the Enterprise. Anson was amazing! I also think I need more of that Number One in my life. Rebecca Romijn is such a great actress!

 

I think Discovery as a show is now going to become the next Voyager. Ship stranded away from anything we've known or seen.

 

Star Trek: Lost in Space ...er... Time.

 

Maybe they can start jumping back and forth through time until they end up with things like they were in the beginning. I'd be happy with just fixing the damn Klingons. I don't like the space fish people look. It's not an issue of 'my trek' as much of my wanting temporal continuity.

 

 

 

The finale episode was fantastic.

[spacelordmaster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srjsS4dtQOQ

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13 hours ago, George P said:

Yeah, it doesn't have to be 14 eps or so, it could be 8 and it'd work if they're just stand alone without some overarching plot to follow.   I also need more number 1, she's great!

I'd be happy just to see how the whole incident that led to Pike's radiation poisoning came about...

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12 hours ago, spacelordmaster said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srjsS4dtQOQ

Thank you. Great Star Trek space battle AND Rebecca Romijn!

 

NerdGasmin!

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1 hour ago, margrave said:

Rebecca Romijn

Holy freaking crud, I didn't even realise it was her!

[spacelordmaster]

2 hours ago, Human.Online said:

Holy freaking crud, I didn't even realise it was her!

Yes. They spent quite a bit of cash on that episode. It had to cost a few millions large.

[RiverCampher]

It was an okay episode, perhaps the best of the series - The battle scenes were great and I enjoyed the time travel piece.

 

Odd plotholes like why couldn't the commander just be beamed within the ship rather than go down with the torpedo and how come Saru's sister can suddenly can fly space fighters....

 

Also, it might be me, but again the pace seems wrong to me.  The camera snaps back and forth quickly to show urgency but then you pop back to Michael and Spock who are slowly talking as their ship and the enterprise is being blown away and then it goes crazy again.

 

Hopefully season 3 can do away with the timetravel arc quickly (it's just been done to death)

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1 hour ago, imachip said:

Odd plotholes like why couldn't the commander just be beamed within the ship rather than go down with the torpedo and how come Saru's sister can suddenly can fly space fighters....

I don’t think transporting within the ship was possible at the time, though it might just be me.

 

It depends on if the Ba’ul helped Kelpien or not.  Saru was able to make a “communicator” with the tech he found.  So they may be fast learners.

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2 hours ago, primortal said:

I don’t think transporting within the ship was possible at the time, though it might just be me.

Well, it looks like it was done last season of Discovery.  So it begs the question is a ship related “feature”, site-to-site transporting.

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39 minutes ago, primortal said:

Well, it looks like it was done last season of Discovery.  So it begs the question is a ship related “feature”, site-to-site transporting.

I could be wrong but it could be a case of the area being locked down which then locks out the transporter from that area to be on the safe side. It could also be a mix of the shields being up at the time and the battle making it a mess to try and do it.  Hell, Trek has a long history of the transporters not working right or being of no use when you need them the most, nothing new here.

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6 hours ago, Riva said:

You are totally mistaken, Discovery is for the franchise, at least season 2 is as confirmed by the writers https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/tv-radio/2019/01/writers-star-trek-discovery-seem-have-concluded-it-s-show-about-star-trek

I do like Discovery, TNG, DS9 and Voyager. Enterprise is an abomination. The original TV series was for a totally different era. The reboot movies were OK but nothing exciting.

 

OK maybe the lead character is too emo but hey its 2019.

 

The thing is that all the nitpicking this show gets can apply to the past shows where you can find just as many issues if you want to look.  It's a odd double standard for 2019, mostly because the internet isn't the same.  Today you can have a minority, yes I believe it's a minority, making so much noise you'd think it was 90% of the fanbase.    The fact such a costly show, cuz we know they're not making it for cheap, is getting a season 3 when even the Orville, which again the internet would have you believe is way better than discovery and has more fans, has yet to announce a 3rd season, though It might get it.  

 

People can enjoy what they want, that's fine, but in 2019 be ready to get hated on by the internet trolls who want so bad for something they don't like to die for no real reason other than it somehow makes them feel better at night, I guess.

 

The reality is that you can't have a "futuristic" scifi show follow the look and style of something that was done in the 60s.  The way they did the enterprise in this season of the show was best IMO.  It had nods to the original but with enough modern feel that it's not cheesy. 

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11 hours ago, Riva said:

Enterprise is an abomination.

That's a little harsh to say about Enterprise

 

Personally, it wasn't that bad for a Trek series.  Yes, it had it bumps but overall it was a pretty good show.

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3 minutes ago, Riva said:

And then there you had Enterprise, I spaceship with pool ladders, bad ambient lights and the engineer always reminding you that you only have warp 1...

The lack of technology and the build of the ship is correct being Enterprise was pre-Kirk (century before) and pre-Federation.

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Enterprise would of been a well received series IF they had supplemented it during Voyagers run, right after DS9 ended... and then after VOY ended, a series taking place after Voyager should of also been released. Enterprise should of never been left as the main series running for a franchise like Star Trek.

 

The premise of a pre-Kirk Star Trek had always been an area of intrigue for Trekkies, especially after First Contact, but they botched the entire thing by going at it alone. The bummer is, they were finally getting to a good Arc with Season Four, and the Romulan war was heating up. Such a shame. The first two seasons of Enterprise were dreadful, had it started with Season 3, we'd probably have saw a longer run.

 

I still feel Enterprise's demise was more so because UPN was folding. 

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1 hour ago, shockz said:

Enterprise would of been a well received series IF they had supplemented it during Voyagers run, right after DS9 ended... and then after VOY ended, a series taking place after Voyager should of also been released. Enterprise should of never been left as the main series running for a franchise like Star Trek.

 

The premise of a pre-Kirk Star Trek had always been an area of intrigue for Trekkies, especially after First Contact, but they botched the entire thing by going at it alone. The bummer is, they were finally getting to a good Arc with Season Four, and the Romulan war was heating up. Such a shame. The first two seasons of Enterprise were dreadful, had it started with Season 3, we'd probably have saw a longer run.

 

I still feel Enterprise's demise was more so because UPN was folding. 

You've pretty much pointed out the issue with almost all newer trek series, from TNG to Ent etc, the first 2 seasons are weak.  These shows need more time to get going.  You can say the same for Discovery, I think it's stepped up well in season 2, and season 3 should show.  CBS also has the same idea you do, multiple shows.   Hell, they're even open to the idea of more Pike with a Enterprise spinoff but they're pretty busy right now.  I'm willing to bet we get it though, for 2021.

 

And UPN was having issues from what I remember, so yeah, also a factor.

 

Spoiler

One thing I have to say about the final episode I forgot, I loved how Michelle Yeoh had her little sadistic laugh as she watched Leland die.  That thing was spot on, said so much about her character.

 

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20 hours ago, Riva said:

Discovery is for the franchise,

Discovery is for whatever draws the most viewers and thus revenue.  If that means adhering to a few commonly accepted plot points, then that's what they will do.  Nothing more, nothing less.