Jet fuel can't melt steel. (But it sure can weaken it)


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Dot Matrix    7,438

If I recall correctly much of the debris was taken to Staten Island to be sorted. Last time I checked, that's not in China. ;)

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Dadwen    119

ahh here we go https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresh_Kills_Landfill

 

September 11, 2001 and aftermath

After the September 11, 2001 attacks, Fresh Kills was temporarily used as a sorting ground for roughly one third of the rubble from Ground Zero. More than 1,600 personal effects were retrieved during this time. About two million tons of material[citation needed] obtained from Ground Zero was taken to the landfill for sorting.[6]

Thousands of detectives and forensic evidence specialists worked for over 1.7 million minutes at Fresh Kills Landfill to try to recover remnants of the people killed in the attacks. A final count of 4,257 human remains were recovered, but only 300 people were identified from these remains. A memorial is being built to honor those who were not able to be identified from the debris.[7] The remaining debris was buried in a 40-acre (160,000 m2) portion of the landfill; it is highly likely that this debris still contains fragmentary human remains.[8]

 

Oh ya this reminded me of this story

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/27/nyregion/airplane-debris-found-near-world-trade-center-site.html?_r=0

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Jim K    16,002

 

7 minutes ago, Jason S. said:

sorry, let me retract that one then.

Should just retract all of them.  

1 hour ago, Jason S. said:

EDIT: NONE OF THIS IS PROOF. NONE OF IT HAS BEEN SOURCED.

 

 

Other general facts:

  • Despite being a crime scene, no investigation took place. Instead, the sites were cleared and the Towers' steel shipped off to china.
  • The Patriot Act, over 1000 pages, was written and signed into law only days after the attack.

and finally, just for fun: the magic passport. This hijacker's passport went through the plane's fuselage, into the burning building and survived the towers' crashing hundreds of feet to the ground only to be found on the street afterward. wow! what convenient proof!

Just wanted to hit a few of these (because I really do not want to spend all day since these have all pretty much been debunked or are otherwise accounted for).

 

What do you think 52 FBI Evidence Recovery Teams were doing at Staten Island for nine months?  When an aircraft crashes...do they just leave the wreckage at the site or haul it off to a hanger for study.  

 

The Patriot Act was signed into law 45 days after 9/11 and is most certainly not "1000" pages long (342).  

 

Anyway, no amount of evidence will dissuade you conspiracy theorist.  

 

 

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+DonC    667
2 hours ago, Jason S. said:
  • Larry Silverstein, the owner of the complex, said, on camera, that they "decided to pull it" after it caught fire

The conspiracy video I watched aimed to convince the viewer that "pull it" was a technical term used to demolish buildings and then to get you to believe Larry Silverstein ordered the destruction of the building when he used it.

 

There is no such term used in that industry. The trick is getting you to believe that, not that Larry Silverstein actually said it or not.

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Buttus    1,240

All they need to make 95% of these conspiracy theories go away is to release a video of the 'plane' hitting the pentagon.  So many video cameras recorded it, but they won't release them.

 

Because they can't.......

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siah1214    1,543
6 minutes ago, Buttus said:

All they need to make 95% of these conspiracy theories go away is to release a video of the 'plane' hitting the pentagon.  So many video cameras recorded it, but they won't release them.

 

Because they can't.......

Top result on Bing videos for "Plane hits pentagon"

 

Try again

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siah1214    1,543
8 minutes ago, Buttus said:

All they need to make 95% of these conspiracy theories go away is to release a video of the 'plane' hitting the pentagon.  So many video cameras recorded it, but they won't release them.

 

Because they can't.......

Here's aircraft debris while the pentagon is still burning, but you're just going to say "they planted it" because conspiracy theorists will move goal posts across continents:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flight_77_wreckage_at_Pentagon.jpg

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eddman    474

People who engage in believing conspiracy theories go about it all wrong and as a result, make complete fools out of themselves.

 

They act as if it's COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE to bring a building down with a big plane.

 

I have an advice for you. This is the line you should use: "Yeah, sure the buildings got destroyed by the planes BUT who do you think orchestrated the whole thing. It was the Israeli government and certain elements of the US government."

 

At least this one is MUCH harder to disprove.

 

P.S. Not that I believe in what I suggested. It's for the nuts so that they can improve their funny game.

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kozukumi    293

What would be the point of destroying the towers on purpose? What would be the point of blowing up part of the Pentagon and pretending it was a plane?

 

 

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ctebah    3,389
1 minute ago, kozukumi said:

What would be the point of destroying the towers on purpose? What would be the point of blowing up part of the Pentagon and pretending it was a plane?

 

 

Patriot Act, War on Terror, etc....I'm not saying it was done on purpose though...

 

When you think about it, NOT doing anything after 9/11 would have probably left Middle East in much better shape than it currently is and less American lives would have been lost.  

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Dot Matrix    7,438
3 minutes ago, kozukumi said:

What would be the point of destroying the towers on purpose? What would be the point of blowing up part of the Pentagon and pretending it was a plane?

This is America. Everything is an insider conspiracy with big government.

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kozukumi    293
Just now, ctebah said:

Patriot Act, War on Terror, etc....I'm not saying it was done on purpose though...

 

When you think about it, NOT doing anything after 9/11 would have probably left Middle East in much better shape than it currently is and less American lives would have been lost.  

All of that would have happened anyway after the attacks. My point is what would be the point of deliberately destroying the twin towers? 

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ctebah    3,389
1 minute ago, kozukumi said:

All of that would have happened anyway after the attacks. My point is what would be the point of deliberately destroying the twin towers? 

Public Support for troop involvement and increased defense budgets.  

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Dot Matrix    7,438
11 minutes ago, siah1214 said:

Here's aircraft debris while the pentagon is still burning, but you're just going to say "they planted it" because conspiracy theorists will move goal posts across continents:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flight_77_wreckage_at_Pentagon.jpg

Nevermind numerous people on the freeways around the building saw the plane come in and strike the building... I guess they were planted too. :p

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kozukumi    293
Just now, ctebah said:

Public Support for troop involvement and increased defense budgets.  

Sorry still don't get it. Public support would have been the same and the defence budget would have been the same.

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ctebah    3,389
2 minutes ago, kozukumi said:

Sorry still don't get it. Public support would have been the same and the defence budget would have been the same.

Sorry, I just re-read your initial post and realized what you were saying.  I agree though, the main attacks were enough for overwhelming public support.

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abecedarian paradoxious    326

A lot of people overlook that the buildings' (WTC1/2) exterior walls were "hermetically" sealed. This means fresh air is only able to enter from ground/below ground level via the entrance doors and subways below, and out the top, primarily through the elevator shafts. This fact alone when combined with a significant fire somewhere in the middle of the building would, in effect, creates what's known as a blast furnace. This can increase the temperature of combustion significantly. Which, as a matter of fact, is more than hot enough to melt steel.

 

As well, the vertical collapse of the building would create substantial overpressure in the floors below, enough to blow windows out in precession.

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Dot Matrix    7,438

For those interested, Wikipedia has a great article on the collapse of the towers, and how and why they collapsed the way they did, including the WT7 building. Pure science. No conspiracies. :)

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papercut2008uk    102

when there are so many questions over an incident, you have to ask some questions and not just go with what you have been told.

 

there is footage out there that was shot from people viewing the twin towers from boats, unedited video has hardly any talking and just the shocked reactions when the second plane is supposed to have hit. the footage that you can find online has people yell out 'OMG a plane just hit'.

 

there is also the actual footage that was shot live where the plane somehow goes strait through the tower and the video cuts out to a black screen.

 

and the fact that there was a live news broadcast where the presenter stated WTC building 7 had come down, when it was still visible in the video.

 

the molten pools of fire that were still burning during the cleanup and the micro aluminum that was found.

 

 

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kozukumi    293
3 minutes ago, papercut2008uk said:

when there are so many questions over an incident, you have to ask some questions and not just go with what you have been told.

 

there is footage out there that was shot from people viewing the twin towers from boats, unedited video has hardly any talking and just the shocked reactions when the second plane is supposed to have hit. the footage that you can find online has people yell out 'OMG a plane just hit'.

 

there is also the actual footage that was shot live where the plane somehow goes strait through the tower and the video cuts out to a black screen.

 

and the fact that there was a live news broadcast where the presenter stated WTC building 7 had come down, when it was still visible in the video.

 

the molten pools of fire that were still burning during the cleanup and the micro aluminum that was found.

 

 

There are people who think the moon landings were faked or that the earth is flat.

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papercut2008uk    102
1 minute ago, kozukumi said:

There are people who think the moon landings were faked or that the earth is flat.

there is no point trying to ridicule someone if they have questions over an incident.

 

 

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adrynalyne    14,203
1 minute ago, papercut2008uk said:

there is no point trying to ridicule someone if they have questions over an incident.

 

 

Except people aren't questioning it. They are flat out refuting it. 

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Flawedspirit    99

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams, but you know what can? Dank memes.

 

Dank memes melt steel beams.

 

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siah1214    1,543

and the fact that there was a live news broadcast where the presenter stated WTC building 7 had come down, when it was still visible in the video.

 

Because if I was going to include anybody on my top secret plan to destroy WTC 7, it'd be a random news presenter.  You're grasping at straws. 

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