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Thomas the Tank Engine
1 hour ago, Simon Lang 9047 said:

hmmm i just had a look at

https://github.com/linuxmint/mintupdate/blob/master/usr/lib/linuxmint/mintUpdate/rules

and linux (the kernel) is marked as stage 5 per default which would be disabled by default for further updates. 

But what about stuff like this, "Install Linux Kernel 4.5 (Stable) on Linux Mint":

 

https://mintguide.org/system/584-install-linux-kernel-4-5-stable-on-linux-mint.html

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simonlang
Just now, Thomas the Tank Engine said:

But what about stuff like this, "Install Linux Kernel 4.5 (Stable) on Linux Mint":

 

https://mintguide.org/system/584-install-linux-kernel-4-5-stable-on-linux-mint.html

 

yes yes that's possible. however you have to do it manually. when i was still using ubuntu it was the same. i had to manually update my kernel. 

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simplezz
On 14/03/2016 at 8:00 AM, T3X4S said:

Thanks for the help - but I nuked the partition.

I'll try again in a couple years - shouldnt have to make all of these adjustments for a modern piece of hardware.

 

With an attitude like that you'll get nowhere in Linux or technology in general. It's almost like you want to fail or find fault. Try to think of it as a challenge rather than an impasse.

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Thomas the Tank Engine
5 hours ago, Simon Lang 9047 said:

 

yes yes that's possible. however you have to do it manually. when i was still using ubuntu it was the same. i had to manually update my kernel. 

What is the chance of screwing up the OS, that would require you to reinstall it [the OS] again?

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T3X4S
7 hours ago, simplezz said:

With an attitude like that you'll get nowhere in Linux or technology in general. It's almost like you want to fail or find fault. Try to think of it as a challenge rather than an impasse.

LOL - OK - thanks for telling me how to "get somewhere" in technology :rolleyes:
You're funny ... and by that I mean NO YOU'RE NOT

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simonlang
7 hours ago, Thomas the Tank Engine said:

What is the chance of screwing up the OS, that would require you to reinstall it [the OS] again?

the chance is at an amazing 0.00%. that's the good thing with linux. the kernel is just the kernel, the rest is the rest. so worst thing when you upgrade the kernel is that the new kernel would not work. now linux is pretty clever and won't remove the older kernel because better being save than sorry. so worst thing if the new kernel does not boot, you chose the older one in your boot manager, boot and remove the newer one. 

 

here is how more than one kernel look like in grub/ubuntu (looks similar in all other distros)

 

56ea5e908424f_640x480xselect-linux-kerne

 

all your documents, browser boookmarks, game savings, etc. remain the very same, no matter what kernel you boot into. it's completely detached from the rest.

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T3X4S

Since I started my new job, our Linux specialist asked me if I would be interested in learning Linux - I said that I was interested in learning anything and everything.

He said to get used to CentOS
Is this a decent OS for a home computer since mint sucks at the moment ? (only reason I ask a seemingly silly question is nobody ever brags about using CentOS or recommends it)

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Circaflex
2 minutes ago, T3X4S said:

Since I started my new job, our Linux specialist asked me if I would be interested in learning Linux - I said that I was interested in learning anything and everything.

He said to get used to CentOS
Is this a decent OS for a home computer since mint sucks at the moment ? (only reason I ask a seemingly silly question is nobody ever brags about using CentOS or recommends it)

Ive used CentOS, I used it for Hadoop and MapReduce. it is clean, it is a redhat affiliate.

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T3X4S
Just now, Circaflex said:

Ive used CentOS, I used it for Hadoop and MapReduce. it is clean, it is a redhat affiliate.

Yeah I knew that he mentioned that because we were dealing with servers, and RedHat is the de facto linux OS - 
I will take a look at it - 
I know so little that I probably wont even notice a difference - 

Thx

 

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T3X4S
2 minutes ago, Circaflex said:

Ive used CentOS, I used it for Hadoop and MapReduce. it is clean, it is a redhat affiliate.

Yeah I knew that he mentioned that because we were dealing with servers, and RedHat is the de facto linux OS - 
I will take a look at it - 
I know so little that I probably wont even notice a difference - 

Thx


How typical LOL - 3 of the 4 download links dont work on their website .... 
I seriously think the universe is trying to keep me from thinking anything remotely positive of linux.

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Circaflex
2 minutes ago, T3X4S said:

Yeah I knew that he mentioned that because we were dealing with servers, and RedHat is the de facto linux OS - 
I will take a look at it - 
I know so little that I probably wont even notice a difference - 

Thx


How typical LOL - 3 of the 4 download links dont work on their website .... 
I seriously think the universe is trying to keep me from thinking anything remotely positive of linux.

ftp://ftp.uci.edu/mirrors/centos/7/isos/x86_64/CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-1511.iso

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Thomas the Tank Engine
20 minutes ago, T3X4S said:

since mint sucks at the moment

Just because you cannot figure out how to use it, doesn't mean it sucks!

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T3X4S
28 minutes ago, Thomas the Tank Engine said:

Just because you cannot figure out how to use it, doesn't mean it sucks!

Actually - it sucks because there is a known bug with 900 series nVidia cards - so I'd say its not just me.

They release an OS that wont even load unless you make changes ?  By the very definition... that is a sucky OS.
Doesnt matter what the knowledge is of the user - if you have to make changes just to do the very first step - it sucks.

But thanks for your illuminating input /s

"cant figure out how to use it" - oh you are a smart one, arent ya ?

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simonlang
1 hour ago, T3X4S said:

Actually - it sucks because there is a known bug with 900 series nVidia cards - so I'd say its not just me.

 

but honestly i don't believe that this is a bug in linux mint, rather in the kernel (can be replaced) or in nvidia (can be upgraded). that was also the reason why it would have been interesting to work on that problem. because, the chance is there, that the kernel and/or gpu driver will be the very same in the next distro you are trying out. 

 

another thing: the OS itself, which is linux, pretty sure loaded, what caused troubles were only the DI.

 

anyway: good luck with centOS.

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Haggis
4 hours ago, T3X4S said:

Since I started my new job, our Linux specialist asked me if I would be interested in learning Linux - I said that I was interested in learning anything and everything.

He said to get used to CentOS
Is this a decent OS for a home computer since mint sucks at the moment ? (only reason I ask a seemingly silly question is nobody ever brags about using CentOS or recommends it)

Its definitely the one to look at for the workplace

 

Centos is based on redhat, it has mostly the same base with a few small differences, so yeah install centos and play about with it.

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T3X4S

Thanks Guys - appreciate your input

I downloaded centOS ISO - so we will see how long it lasts before I screw it up too ! :)

 

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T3X4S
21 hours ago, Simon Lang 9047 said:

but honestly i don't believe that this is a bug in linux mint, rather in the kernel (can be replaced) or in nvidia (can be upgraded). that was also the reason why it would have been interesting to work on that problem. because, the chance is there, that the kernel and/or gpu driver will be the very same in the next distro you are trying out. 

 

another thing: the OS itself, which is linux, pretty sure loaded, what caused troubles were only the DI.

 

anyway: good luck with centOS.

FWIW - 

This page will probably be helpful for you

https://elementaryforums.com/index.php?threads/howto-install-latest-nvidia-driver-on-linux-without-getting-black-screen.7/


Only problem was - after doing the steps mentioned to finally install the latest nVidia driver - it would still be extremely unstable - again resulting in a lock up.

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simonlang
3 minutes ago, T3X4S said:

FWIW - 

This page will probably be helpful for you

https://elementaryforums.com/index.php?threads/howto-install-latest-nvidia-driver-on-linux-without-getting-black-screen.7/


Only problem was - after doing the steps mentioned to finally install the latest nVidia driver - it would still be extremely unstable - again resulting in a lock up.

but doesn't this exactly hint to what i was talking all pages long?  some problem with nvidia / the kernel. i read also something about disabeling nouveau which is weird, as you should not have nouveau and nvidia installed the same time but only one! back in my ubuntu days what i did was to remove nouveau, boot into tty1 and then install nvidia from there.

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Unobscured Vision

Generally speaking -- and I say this only in the sense so that you can get your "Sea Legs" under you -- if Dell wants you to learn a .rpm-based Linux (Red Hat, Fedora, SuSE, CentOS) then do that instead. Once you've got that worked out (and believe me that your co-workers and Enterprise Support routes are going to be much better internally), then try the Debian & Ubuntu-based ones and learn that branch of the Linux family if you're so inclined. 

 

Enterprise-grade Linux like Red Hat is a much different animal from the "Desktop" Linux world. You'll come to find that out for yourself immediately. The documentation and support is way different, and usually better.

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T3X4S

Well - I took one look @ CentOS  and decided I dont want that on my desktop @ home.  I decided to give Mint 17.3 Cinnamon another chance, using a different nVidia driver and it seems to be working well now - 

Thank you to everyone in this thread especially @Simon Lang 9047 who talked me out of giving up on Linux.


As for CentOS - I'll throw that on a VM (Y)

 

For a second - it sounded like an acceptance speech 

 

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simonlang
2 hours ago, T3X4S said:

Well - I took one look @ CentOS  and decided I dont want that on my desktop @ home.  I decided to give Mint 17.3 Cinnamon another chance, using a different nVidia driver and it seems to be working well now - 

Thank you to everyone in this thread especially @Simon Lang 9047 who talked me out of giving up on Linux.


As for CentOS - I'll throw that on a VM (Y)

 

For a second - it sounded like an acceptance speech 

 

this sounds nice. :) remember you are still new on linux, and like with every software, problems might occur. it's just important to not give up immediately as a solution is there for sure and you will learn step by step. with linux everything is  open and documented and you can access and control anything.  

could you let us know which nvidia driver ver you are using now? 

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Unobscured Vision

Good stuff. Mint 18 will be out this summer and should be a nice upgrade, and the new Nvidia Driver should likewise be a solid release too. I'm going to be doing my own bare-metal testing of the base (Ubuntu 16.04) soon, so we'll have some good solid data on its' behavior. :yes: 

 

I love the LTS release cycle. Lots to do.

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T3X4S

I spoke too soon - it is locking up like crazy.

Before it completely locks up I cant open any programs.

I'd like to say I will work through it and try to fix it but dont know where/how to begin.

 

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