simonlang Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 hmmm i just had a look at https://github.com/linuxmint/mintupdate/blob/master/usr/lib/linuxmint/mintUpdate/rules and linux (the kernel) is marked as stage 5 per default which would be disabled by default for further updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas the Tank Engine Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Simon Lang 9047 said: hmmm i just had a look at https://github.com/linuxmint/mintupdate/blob/master/usr/lib/linuxmint/mintUpdate/rules and linux (the kernel) is marked as stage 5 per default which would be disabled by default for further updates. But what about stuff like this, "Install Linux Kernel 4.5 (Stable) on Linux Mint": https://mintguide.org/system/584-install-linux-kernel-4-5-stable-on-linux-mint.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonlang Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Just now, Thomas the Tank Engine said: But what about stuff like this, "Install Linux Kernel 4.5 (Stable) on Linux Mint": https://mintguide.org/system/584-install-linux-kernel-4-5-stable-on-linux-mint.html yes yes that's possible. however you have to do it manually. when i was still using ubuntu it was the same. i had to manually update my kernel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplezz Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 On 14/03/2016 at 8:00 AM, T3X4S said: Thanks for the help - but I nuked the partition. I'll try again in a couple years - shouldnt have to make all of these adjustments for a modern piece of hardware. With an attitude like that you'll get nowhere in Linux or technology in general. It's almost like you want to fail or find fault. Try to think of it as a challenge rather than an impasse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas the Tank Engine Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 5 hours ago, Simon Lang 9047 said: yes yes that's possible. however you have to do it manually. when i was still using ubuntu it was the same. i had to manually update my kernel. What is the chance of screwing up the OS, that would require you to reinstall it [the OS] again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3X4S Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 7 hours ago, simplezz said: With an attitude like that you'll get nowhere in Linux or technology in general. It's almost like you want to fail or find fault. Try to think of it as a challenge rather than an impasse. LOL - OK - thanks for telling me how to "get somewhere" in technology You're funny ... and by that I mean NO YOU'RE NOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonlang Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, Thomas the Tank Engine said: What is the chance of screwing up the OS, that would require you to reinstall it [the OS] again? the chance is at an amazing 0.00%. that's the good thing with linux. the kernel is just the kernel, the rest is the rest. so worst thing when you upgrade the kernel is that the new kernel would not work. now linux is pretty clever and won't remove the older kernel because better being save than sorry. so worst thing if the new kernel does not boot, you chose the older one in your boot manager, boot and remove the newer one. here is how more than one kernel look like in grub/ubuntu (looks similar in all other distros) all your documents, browser boookmarks, game savings, etc. remain the very same, no matter what kernel you boot into. it's completely detached from the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3X4S Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Since I started my new job, our Linux specialist asked me if I would be interested in learning Linux - I said that I was interested in learning anything and everything. He said to get used to CentOS Is this a decent OS for a home computer since mint sucks at the moment ? (only reason I ask a seemingly silly question is nobody ever brags about using CentOS or recommends it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circaflex Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, T3X4S said: Since I started my new job, our Linux specialist asked me if I would be interested in learning Linux - I said that I was interested in learning anything and everything. He said to get used to CentOS Is this a decent OS for a home computer since mint sucks at the moment ? (only reason I ask a seemingly silly question is nobody ever brags about using CentOS or recommends it) Ive used CentOS, I used it for Hadoop and MapReduce. it is clean, it is a redhat affiliate. T3X4S 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3X4S Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Just now, Circaflex said: Ive used CentOS, I used it for Hadoop and MapReduce. it is clean, it is a redhat affiliate. Yeah I knew that he mentioned that because we were dealing with servers, and RedHat is the de facto linux OS - I will take a look at it - I know so little that I probably wont even notice a difference - Thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3X4S Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Circaflex said: Ive used CentOS, I used it for Hadoop and MapReduce. it is clean, it is a redhat affiliate. Yeah I knew that he mentioned that because we were dealing with servers, and RedHat is the de facto linux OS - I will take a look at it - I know so little that I probably wont even notice a difference - Thx How typical LOL - 3 of the 4 download links dont work on their website .... I seriously think the universe is trying to keep me from thinking anything remotely positive of linux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circaflex Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, T3X4S said: Yeah I knew that he mentioned that because we were dealing with servers, and RedHat is the de facto linux OS - I will take a look at it - I know so little that I probably wont even notice a difference - Thx How typical LOL - 3 of the 4 download links dont work on their website .... I seriously think the universe is trying to keep me from thinking anything remotely positive of linux. ftp://ftp.uci.edu/mirrors/centos/7/isos/x86_64/CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-1511.iso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3X4S Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Just now, Circaflex said: ftp://ftp.uci.edu/mirrors/centos/7/isos/x86_64/CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-1511.iso Thanks circa - I clicked on the dfw one (since Im in DFW) - its downloading the ISO @ 12 MB/sec But thank you for looking out for me Unobscured Vision and Circaflex 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas the Tank Engine Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 20 minutes ago, T3X4S said: since mint sucks at the moment Just because you cannot figure out how to use it, doesn't mean it sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3X4S Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 28 minutes ago, Thomas the Tank Engine said: Just because you cannot figure out how to use it, doesn't mean it sucks! Actually - it sucks because there is a known bug with 900 series nVidia cards - so I'd say its not just me. They release an OS that wont even load unless you make changes ? By the very definition... that is a sucky OS. Doesnt matter what the knowledge is of the user - if you have to make changes just to do the very first step - it sucks. But thanks for your illuminating input /s "cant figure out how to use it" - oh you are a smart one, arent ya ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonlang Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 1 hour ago, T3X4S said: Actually - it sucks because there is a known bug with 900 series nVidia cards - so I'd say its not just me. but honestly i don't believe that this is a bug in linux mint, rather in the kernel (can be replaced) or in nvidia (can be upgraded). that was also the reason why it would have been interesting to work on that problem. because, the chance is there, that the kernel and/or gpu driver will be the very same in the next distro you are trying out. another thing: the OS itself, which is linux, pretty sure loaded, what caused troubles were only the DI. anyway: good luck with centOS. T3X4S 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis Veteran Posted March 18, 2016 Veteran Share Posted March 18, 2016 4 hours ago, T3X4S said: Since I started my new job, our Linux specialist asked me if I would be interested in learning Linux - I said that I was interested in learning anything and everything. He said to get used to CentOS Is this a decent OS for a home computer since mint sucks at the moment ? (only reason I ask a seemingly silly question is nobody ever brags about using CentOS or recommends it) Its definitely the one to look at for the workplace Centos is based on redhat, it has mostly the same base with a few small differences, so yeah install centos and play about with it. T3X4S 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3X4S Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Thanks Guys - appreciate your input I downloaded centOS ISO - so we will see how long it lasts before I screw it up too ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3X4S Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 21 hours ago, Simon Lang 9047 said: but honestly i don't believe that this is a bug in linux mint, rather in the kernel (can be replaced) or in nvidia (can be upgraded). that was also the reason why it would have been interesting to work on that problem. because, the chance is there, that the kernel and/or gpu driver will be the very same in the next distro you are trying out. another thing: the OS itself, which is linux, pretty sure loaded, what caused troubles were only the DI. anyway: good luck with centOS. FWIW - This page will probably be helpful for youhttps://elementaryforums.com/index.php?threads/howto-install-latest-nvidia-driver-on-linux-without-getting-black-screen.7/ Only problem was - after doing the steps mentioned to finally install the latest nVidia driver - it would still be extremely unstable - again resulting in a lock up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonlang Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 3 minutes ago, T3X4S said: FWIW - This page will probably be helpful for youhttps://elementaryforums.com/index.php?threads/howto-install-latest-nvidia-driver-on-linux-without-getting-black-screen.7/ Only problem was - after doing the steps mentioned to finally install the latest nVidia driver - it would still be extremely unstable - again resulting in a lock up. but doesn't this exactly hint to what i was talking all pages long? some problem with nvidia / the kernel. i read also something about disabeling nouveau which is weird, as you should not have nouveau and nvidia installed the same time but only one! back in my ubuntu days what i did was to remove nouveau, boot into tty1 and then install nvidia from there. T3X4S 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobscured Vision Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Generally speaking -- and I say this only in the sense so that you can get your "Sea Legs" under you -- if Dell wants you to learn a .rpm-based Linux (Red Hat, Fedora, SuSE, CentOS) then do that instead. Once you've got that worked out (and believe me that your co-workers and Enterprise Support routes are going to be much better internally), then try the Debian & Ubuntu-based ones and learn that branch of the Linux family if you're so inclined. Enterprise-grade Linux like Red Hat is a much different animal from the "Desktop" Linux world. You'll come to find that out for yourself immediately. The documentation and support is way different, and usually better. Circaflex and T3X4S 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3X4S Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Well - I took one look @ CentOS and decided I dont want that on my desktop @ home. I decided to give Mint 17.3 Cinnamon another chance, using a different nVidia driver and it seems to be working well now - Thank you to everyone in this thread especially @Simon Lang 9047 who talked me out of giving up on Linux. As for CentOS - I'll throw that on a VM For a second - it sounded like an acceptance speech simonlang and Unobscured Vision 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonlang Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 2 hours ago, T3X4S said: Well - I took one look @ CentOS and decided I dont want that on my desktop @ home. I decided to give Mint 17.3 Cinnamon another chance, using a different nVidia driver and it seems to be working well now - Thank you to everyone in this thread especially @Simon Lang 9047 who talked me out of giving up on Linux. As for CentOS - I'll throw that on a VM For a second - it sounded like an acceptance speech this sounds nice. remember you are still new on linux, and like with every software, problems might occur. it's just important to not give up immediately as a solution is there for sure and you will learn step by step. with linux everything is open and documented and you can access and control anything. could you let us know which nvidia driver ver you are using now? Unobscured Vision 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobscured Vision Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Good stuff. Mint 18 will be out this summer and should be a nice upgrade, and the new Nvidia Driver should likewise be a solid release too. I'm going to be doing my own bare-metal testing of the base (Ubuntu 16.04) soon, so we'll have some good solid data on its' behavior. I love the LTS release cycle. Lots to do. simonlang 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3X4S Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 I spoke too soon - it is locking up like crazy. Before it completely locks up I cant open any programs. I'd like to say I will work through it and try to fix it but dont know where/how to begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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