Quick poll on the UK's decision to leave the EU

[Guest]

I voted in, in one of the most out areas.

[TDT]

7 hours ago, Mando said:

see, this is what i was most worried about, eu immigration is not an issue, never has been to open minded UK citizens. 

 

Its a known fact thats been stuck under a carpet, the immigration issues we see are from OUTSIDE the EU, just as it was before the creation of the EU.

 

you are welcome in the UK Jub apologies on the ignorant and nothing short of racist ideals from morons like Farage and a lot of the population over here.

 

thats the biggest thing about this that winds me up, the lazy ignorant uk citizens with the stupid mindset of "immigrants" coming over here and taking all our jobs, taking less wages etc etc etc 

 

hold on a second the majority of the UK workforce are lazy, wont lower themselves to do some jobs, yet my experience EU workforces are the opposite and and willing to do a lot of roles the UK populace refuse to as the low wages cant beat their social security benefits.

 

for example, in our factory we have a Sots workforce and Polish (50-50), you can tell the jocks from the others easily, they are the ones standing at anothers workstation gassing...the others they stand at THEIR workstation working while gassing amongst themselves. 

 

that says a lot negatively about my nation, and nothing but positive with incoming workforces.

 

Oh, you're so wrong with that "you are welcome in the UK" statement, but you're also right about the lazy citizens thing. A lot of people from my country are in the UK, doing jobs that the "aryan race" there doesn't want to do, like working in warehouses, mcdonalds, or whatever. This is not a problem, but there IS a constant problem with the uk people being racist ######. I know people that live there for 15 years, some of them are managers, yet they still feel the racism of the locals. For a nation that claims is "highly advanced" and "civilized", the reality is way different. Obviously, I'm not talking about everyone there, there might be exceptions. But, overall, UK is a ###### place to work in if you're from another country. Aside from the higher pay checks.

 

About this vote, I don't know much about the future effects on other EU countries, so I can't say if it's a good thing or not. My guess is this move will eventually end the EU, because I have a strong feeling that Germany will be next to leave, and this WOULD be a pretty bad thing. But time will tell.

[game_over]

22 minutes ago, Mando said:

I do support the democratic process and the outcome for our collective nation of britain ( we are no longer united so Britain seems least offesnsive) 

 

But for my nation of birth, we are permitted a 2nd referendum to leave Britain to join the eu, Scotland has been shown yet again our voice do not matter a flying toss to westminster, sooner that 2nd ref happens the better imo. 

 

Youll get to replace the union jack with the st georges cross and welsh dragon, if Scotland and now N ireland get their way.  

 

Another independance ref by SNP will happen within 2 years of cameron notifying brussels via lisbon treaty.

 

FACT (like it or loathe it) this plays right into SNPs lap. 

 

Thanks english/welsh voters  im sure we will strike a deal to lock the price of all the water, electric, and other resources we currently sell to you /s 

To be fair I wouldn't hold it against any Scots who did not support the democratic process or the outcome... It is not fair being forced out of the EU when as a country you voted to stay in.

[Mando]

14 hours ago, TDT said:

Oh, you're so wrong with that "you are welcome in the UK" statement, but you're also right about the lazy citizens thing. A lot of people from my country are in the UK, doing jobs that the "aryan race" there doesn't want to do, like working in warehouses, mcdonalds, or whatever. This is not a problem, but there IS a constant problem with the uk people being racist ######. I know people that live there for 15 years, some of them are managers, yet they still feel the racism of the locals. For a nation that claims is "highly advanced" and "civilized", the reality is way different. Obviously, I'm not talking about everyone there, there might be exceptions. But, overall, UK is a ###### place to work in if you're from another country. Aside from the higher pay checks.

 

About this vote, I don't know much about the future effects on other EU countries, so I can't say if it's a good thing or not. My guess is this move will eventually end the EU, because I have a strong feeling that Germany will be next to leave, and this WOULD be a pretty bad thing. But time will tell.

mate you honestly cant tar all 64million uk citizens as racists, racism in the uk is usually manifested in a certain type of person, not all 64million of us are like that!

Some of my closest and most trusted friends are Hindi, Seikh, Italian and Polish for example. Where somebody comes from is irrelevant imo.

 

I can only comment on my local area and Scotland is a country of multiple religious beliefs, nationalities and differences in the entire population and tolerance is abundant. Granted we can sometimes have a bit of rivalry in the christian faith over here between 2 specific football teams, but that is old and tbh stupid between scots. and of course the rivalry with our english neighbours, but thats down to being the beaten nation in a centuries old war (which tbvh doesnt matter at all these days, we are the same land mass)

 

Scotland and the UK have had immigrants (god i hate that word) in our populace since the 18th century and the British empire, most people with more than 2 brain cells abhor racism. Its a fear of someone being different, which tbh is stupid and outdated nonsense.

 

I dont think for a second you really meant "aryan race" to the UK (Ayrian = blonde hair & blue eyes of Germanic descent), have you any idea how offensive that is to a country who fought alone (until USA entry into the war) to try to free Europe from the stranglehold & eliminate persecution, genocide and racism of the highest order in last century due to a genocidal maniac who came into power in nation of Europe and subsequently invaded pretty much every other European country? 

 

Really??

 

Just as i wouldnt ever dream of tarring all of the germanic population as being Nazis. that is so wrong on so many levels.

 

Edited June 25, 2016 by Mando

[Paul1979UK]

You know what the real scary thing is about all this, most people voted out of fear, scare tactics, the second highest search on Google after the vote ended up being, what is the EU, and I've seen it enough in person that most people don't know what the EU is, most people wasn't informed and both sides of the argument wasn't helping by slinging mud at each other, if they just had a honest debate and told us the facts, people would of had a better view on what they was voting on, as it is, most of us voted on what the media and politicians told us to vote, democracy only really works when most of the population are informed with facts on what's going on, so really when it comes to voting, you might as well just toss a coin and hope for the best, that or do your own homework on how things work, don't have it force feed to us.

 

As it is, say Scotland and Northern Ireland pull out of the UK, say we want the same trade deal with the EU which means we still give them a lot of money and apply a lot of these laws, what have we really achieved?, because what I said is quite possible, also the ironic thing is, Scotland might be better off outside the UK, small countries like that seem to have a better chance of prospering better outside of big counters, in or outside of the EU.

[TDT]

21 minutes ago, Mando said:

mate you honestly cant tar all 64million uk citizens as racists, racism in the uk is usually manifested in a certain type of person, not all 64million of us are like that!

Some of my closest and most trusted friends are Hindi, Seikh, Italian and Polish for example. Where somebody comes from is irrelevant imo.

 

I can only comment on my local area and Scotland is a country of multiple religious beliefs, nationalities and differences in the entire population and tolerance is abundant. Granted we can sometimes have a bit of rivalry in the christian faith over here between 2 specific football teams, but that is old and tbh stupid between scots. and of course the rivalry with our english neighbours, but thats down to being the beaten nation in a centuries old war (which tbvh doesnt matter at all these days, we are the same land mass)

 

Scotland and the UK have had immigrants (god i hate that word) in our populace since the 18th century and the British empire, most people with more than 2 brain cells abhor racism. Its a fear of someone being different, which tbh is stupid and outdated nonsense.

 

I dont think for a second you really meant "aryan race" to the UK (Ayrian = blonde hair & blue eyes of Germanic descent), have you any idea how offensive that is to a country who fought alone (until USA entry into the war) to try to free Europe from the stranglehold & eliminate persecution, genocide and racism of the highest order in last century due to a genocidal maniac who came into power in nation of Europe and subsequently invaded pretty much every other European country? 

 

Really??

 

Just as i wouldnt ever dream of tarring all of the germanic population as being Nazis. that is so wrong on so many levels.

 

I think you're not noticing the quotes. Can you read that I said "obviously I'm not talking about everyone"? And about the "aryan race", I wasn't reffering to the blond hair and blue eyes, but to the "superior race" that they think they are compared to others. Because they sure act like it.

[Mando]

i agree Paul, the oddest artical i saw was a report last night on BBC news 24, Boris claiming that it is not us turning our back on europe.

 

they then went on to say that the UK while not being in the EU as such may still have to agree to fair trade deals with EU and get this (this cracked me up) still accept certain immigration as a possible condition of the deal, so we left for what? hahahha Farages response? silence.....

 

i did like Farage claiming after the result that the NHS £350m a week was a mistake......funny they didnt say that BEFORE the referendum huh.

[Louisifer]

6 minutes ago, Mando said:

i did like Farage claiming after the result that the NHS £350m a week was a mistake......funny they didnt say that BEFORE the referendum huh.

Anyone who listened to both sides knew that figure was revised down to £150m or somewhere around there not long after it was brought up. Politicians always spout out facts and figures and opposing teams debunk it. At least he put some effort into the out propaganda, all I heard from the in propaganda was "We fear this" "We're uncertain about that" and "we doubt we will be better off"   They made adverts for the definition of FUD and included no statistics despite having the full backing of government.

 

Both sides were a clusterf*, I'm just glad this wasn't about picking a new team to run the country, I would have spoiled my ballot as a vote of no confidence.

[Mando]

22 minutes ago, Louisifer said:

Anyone who listened to both sides knew that figure was revised down to £150m or somewhere around there not long after it was brought up. Politicians always spout out facts and figures and opposing teams debunk it. At least he put some effort into the out propaganda, all I heard from the in propaganda was "We fear this" "We're uncertain about that" and "we doubt we will be better off"   They made adverts for the definition of FUD and included no statistics despite having the full backing of government.

 

Both sides were a clusterf*, I'm just glad this wasn't about picking a new team to run the country, I would have spoiled my ballot as a vote of no confidence.

Yep, heaven help us in the next general election, i really dont like the recent (5-10yrs) change in the way the politicians conduct their manifesto, they seem to be copying USA.

 

Stop playing ###### for tat and spout proven facts, and they wonder why people turn off to elections and the like.

 

The thing is with the so called money we would save, what leave omitted (perhaps as it didnt suit their agenda) is how much money the UK actually received from the EU, a shedload more than we paid into it.

 

Huge subsidies now gone

 

• UK farmers 
• UK fishermen
• UK Biomedical/Pharma Research
• UK nature conservation.
• Homegrown Tech industry.
• Renewable energy projects
• Multiple UK towns and areas classed as in decline have been boosted massively with EU regeneration projects that our own UK government ignore (mining towns, heavy industry, shipbuilding etc etc). 
   

All heavily bolstered with money from the EU monetary fund, do people actually think the UK govt will a) find those funds b) will actually do anyhting themselves, they didn't before the EU did.

 

I cant help but feel we have cut our nose off, to spite our face.  the claim we could spend that money we save in the NHS....ok then heres a concept, its has been proven that the UK spend less of their countries annual budget to the NHS than any other european country, thats why our NHS is in the state its in, underinvestment for 40 years by UK government, thats NOTHING to do with the EU. I left the civil service 15yrs ago now (ex NHS clinician), and since then my ex workmates have been "awarded" payrises below inflation now for almost the entire time. 

 

I do feel for the group who could not make up their mind, hardly surprising as both groups were full of 5h1t and fabricated nonsense, for me personally, any remnant feeling of being British died on Friday morning. 

 

future forms will state Nationality: SCOTTISH and in all honesty the resentment north of the border is now higher than it was after 2014. I suspect the British union days are numbered.

 

 

 

Edited June 25, 2016 by Mando

[MikeChipshop Member]

17 minutes ago, Mando said:

• UK farmers 
• UK fishermen
• UK Biomedical/Pharma Research
• UK nature conservation.
• Homegrown Tech industry.
• Multiple UK towns and areas classed as in decline have been boosted massively with EU regeneration projects that our own UK government ignore (mining towns, heavy industry, shipbuilding etc etc). 
   

 

Saw this on TV this morning...

 

Presenter (in random English high street): So how did you vote?

Woman: LEAVE

Presenter: And this was why?

Woman: I want to support British farmers, i want to go to my local shop and buy fresh British milk!

 

Collectively all the farmers in Britain face palmed. I'd also like to invite this woman to nip to her "Local Shop" and try and purchase fresh non-British milk. Or even the supermarket for that matter.

[Mando]

54 minutes ago, TDT said:

I think you're not noticing the quotes. Can you read that I said "obviously I'm not talking about everyone"? And about the "aryan race", I wasn't reffering to the blond hair and blue eyes, but to the "superior race" that they think they are compared to others. Because they sure act like it.

again who are "they" your tarring 64million citizens due to your own personal experience (which if you have experienced racial hatred I apologise unreservably) and i did read your posts in its entirety buddy, you said 

 

Obviously, I'm not talking about everyone there, there might be exceptions. But, overall, UK is a ###### place to work in if you're from another country. Aside from the higher pay checks.

 

there "might be" thats a generalisation mate, there might be out of 64million people (so what say 1 million out of 64.1 million).

 

If we were a racist country, why doesnt the BNP have any seats in our parliament?  You cant tar the masses with a minority, hell does that mean all Muslms are members of Daesh? No. 

 

One thing i am happy about is the lack of Fascism in our politics, the scary thing is the rise of this again in parts of europe, thats scary 5h1t and something every european country has to try to stem, which I would include Britain in that also collectively.

 

I understand what you are trying to get across TDT, im not having a go  

[Mando]

14 minutes ago, MikeChipshop said:

 

Saw this on TV this morning...

 

Presenter (in random English high street): So how did you vote?

Woman: LEAVE

Presenter: And this was why?

Woman: I want to support British farmers, i want to go to my local shop and buy fresh British milk!

 

Collectively all the farmers in Britain face palmed. I'd also like to invite this woman to nip to her "Local Shop" and try and purchase fresh non-British milk. Or even the supermarket for that matter.

know exactly what you mean.

 

i saw one from Romford and the woman had her "union jack T shirt on" she was asked why she voted to leave.

 

Her answers?

Take control of our borders back (we allready have this in Calais but whatever mrs)

Saving our NHS!  (/faceplant) 

England is our country for our poeple and thumped her chest, This is England  (/sigh)

 

ignorance of the highest level, a prime example of the "trump effect"  fuelled by misinformation by both sides of the campaign.

 

ive never been that much of a nationalist, but that kind of ignorant reply makes me all the more for splitting Scotland from England. We can then also look funny at their foreign banknotes and wait for the english visitor to say "but its legal tender" role reversal LMFAO

 

 

[MikeChipshop Member]

4 minutes ago, Mando said:

If we were a racist country, why doesnt the BNP have any seats in our parliament? 

 

...and UKIP only have one seat and they're part time racists seen as a joke by everyone else in the UK.

 

The UK is hugely racially diverse and accepting. It's shaped our culture, it's shaped our food and it's shaped our media.

[Mando]

Just now, MikeChipshop said:

 

...and UKIP only have one seat and they're part time racists seen as a joke by everyone else in the UK.

 

The UK is hugely racially diverse and accepting. It's shaped our culture, it's shaped our food and it's shaped our media.

lol yep, most popular dish in Scotland? Curry lol  

[MikeChipshop Member]

Just now, Mando said:

i saw one from Romford and the woman had her "union jack T shirt on" she was asked why she voted to leave.

...and there you have it, Romford. The vote was only ever going to go one way there unfortunately. ** shakes head **

 

I'm originally from 15 minutes down the road from Romford in a place called "Waltham Forest" and i'm proud as ###### that my London borough, as all London boroughs, voted a nice big resounding "REMAIN". 15 minutes makes all the difference.

2 minutes ago, Mando said:

lol yep, most popular dish in Scotland? Curry lol  

and if it's not curry you fancy, it's going to be a Chinese or a kebab!

[Mando]

1 minute ago, MikeChipshop said:

...and there you have it, Romford. The vote was only ever going to go one way there unfortunately. ** shakes head **

 

I'm originally from 15 minutes down the road from Romford in a place called "Waltham Forest" and i'm proud as ###### that my London borough, as all London boroughs, voted a nice big resounding "REMAIN". 15 minutes makes all the difference.

Yep, in all of it though, the biggest wtf moment was majority of Wales........that genuinely had me scratching my head......Wales have received the most eu regeneration funding (and farming subs) since the demise of the coal industry yet flipped the bird to the organisation thats been improving their towns and quality of life more than the UK government who killed off their industries!

 

I dont think ill ever get my head round that

[MikeChipshop Member]

Just now, Mando said:

Yep, in all of it though, the biggest wtf moment was majority of Wales........that genuinely had me scratching my head......Wales have received the most eu regeneration funding (and farming subs) since the demise of the coal industry yet flipped the bird to the organisation thats been improving their towns and quality of life more than the UK government who killed off their industries!

 

I dont think ill ever get my head round that

Off the top of my head, i think they've got half a dozen UKIPers in the Welsh assembly. 

[Mando]

9 minutes ago, MikeChipshop said:

...and there you have it, Romford. The vote was only ever going to go one way there unfortunately. ** shakes head **

 

I'm originally from 15 minutes down the road from Romford in a place called "Waltham Forest" and i'm proud as ###### that my London borough, as all London boroughs, voted a nice big resounding "REMAIN". 15 minutes makes all the difference.

and if it's not curry you fancy, it's going to be a Chinese or a kebab!

lol dont now im thinking about a king size mixed kebab for tea you fecker!  

hmmm shashlik, shwarma and lamb tikka /drool 

 

have you tried Spicy Haggis Pakoras yet Mike? OMFG too good! Asda have them.

[MikeChipshop Member]

1 minute ago, Mando said:

lol dont now im thinking about a king size mixed kebab for tea you fecker!  

hmmm shashlik, shwarma and lamb tikka /drool 

 

have you tried Spicy Haggis Pakoras yet Mike? OMFG too good! Asda have them.

I have not. But the missus is going shopping tomorrow so i might have her nip in to ASDA quickly to pick a few up

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

Time to get some of that Scottish independence and negotiate to stay in the EU.

 

England (and Wales) you dun goofed.

[Mando]

Just now, MikeChipshop said:

I have not. But the missus is going shopping tomorrow so i might have her nip in to ASDA quickly to pick a few up

in the chilled isle. they also do black pudding pakoras which are also amazing  (if you like black pudding obv)

 

Mckechnie Jess iirc makes them.

[Torolol]

i wonder if Anjem Choudary's 'announcement' that he would backed remain would actually help the undecided to sway toward leaving instead?

 

Quote

 

Breitbart London broke the story on Tuesday,

with Mr. Choudary telling us that he backed Remain

because “there are certain principles and caveats” in EU law that offer “recourse” to Islamist radicals.

 

“I think that [leaving the EU] is something that is probably not in our advantage from a Muslim perspective,” he added.

 

The story was picked up by the Sun, the Daily Express, the Telegraph and others,

and shone a light on the EU institution’s questionable history of protecting the “rights” of terrorists and hate preachers and blocking their deportation.

 

 

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/23/anjem-choudary-number-1-facebook-trend-referendum-day/

[exotoxic]

32 minutes ago, Mando said:

how much money the UK actually received from the EU, a shedload more than we paid into it.

 

Huge subsidies now gone

 

From what i have seen this in not true. The UK is one of the few countries to put more money in than we get back, the farming subsidies (etc) were our own money given back to us with stipulations on how it can be spent. By being in the EU we get a lot of money from the financial services but as we have seen the whole banking system is corrupt and broken so maybe leaving that behind is a good thing in the long term?!?

 

Why does they want to make it difficult for us to trade?? We could have a bilateral trade agreement and pay in say £1-2bn per year and not take all the extra EU government stuff (except obvious things like product/food safety required to trade), instead the option is how Norway and Switzerland are setup, pay in billions, accept free movement and EU governance and have no say on how it is run.

 

Seems like its heading down the totalitarianism route to me, do we want to be a part of a system that operates that way??

 

[TDT]

2 hours ago, Mando said:

again who are "they" your tarring 64million citizens due to your own personal experience (which if you have experienced racial hatred I apologise unreservably) and i did read your posts in its entirety buddy, you said 

 

Obviously, I'm not talking about everyone there, there might be exceptions. But, overall, UK is a ###### place to work in if you're from another country. Aside from the higher pay checks.

 

there "might be" thats a generalisation mate, there might be out of 64million people (so what say 1 million out of 64.1 million).

 

If we were a racist country, why doesnt the BNP have any seats in our parliament?  You cant tar the masses with a minority, hell does that mean all Muslms are members of Daesh? No. 

 

One thing i am happy about is the lack of Fascism in our politics, the scary thing is the rise of this again in parts of europe, thats scary 5h1t and something every european country has to try to stem, which I would include Britain in that also collectively.

 

I understand what you are trying to get across TDT, im not having a go  

Not 64 million, since the people that I know and worked/are working in the uk are basically in London and the surrounding areas. But this is a common thing for all of them, and to be fair it's not only in the UK. I have another friend that works at a pharmacy in Sweden and he feels miserably there because he's treated like an "outsider" even today, after about 3 years of work. 

 

This word is not what I'm looking for, because for me racism means different color, but I can't seem to think of another that applies in this situation, my english is not flawless . They HAVE to let other people in, because of european laws, human rights, etc., but that doesn't mean they're welcomed there. And they do feel it every day.

[Mockingbird]

Scotland and Northern Ireland will probably now vote to leave the UK and try to join the EU.

 

I hope Cameron is happy that he will go down in history as the one to break up the UK.