Quick poll on the UK's decision to leave the EU


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  1. 1. Do you support the decision for the UK to leave the European Union?

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2 hours ago, Audioboxer said:

Time to get some of that Scottish independence and negotiate to stay in the EU.

 

How can it possibly not go to a Yes this time? Nearly everyone i knew that was voting 'No' to the Scottish Indy Ref (myself included, sorry AB :( ) was in some part down to a desire to stay in Europe. With the EU floundered and the economy already on the rocks, there's little reason to be in the UK, for me at least.

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On ‎24‎/‎06‎/‎2016 at 2:39 PM, MikeChipshop said:

Both Scotland and Northern Ireland wanting out of the UK now. London looking at "Special measures". JP Morgan out as well... hot damn this is messy.

Scotland and Ireland can't afford to leave the UK. Do you forget Alex Salmonds line, "We can do this, we are power rich", then 6 months later they were begging Westminster for a handout to help the oil company's.

What makes me laugh is that Scots get a lot more out of the economy than the English do, yet you think your hard done by.

 

As for brexit, what the scots don't realise is that a lot of people down south will never be able to afford there own home or even rent one. House prices have gone up so much over the last several years, unless your bringing in £50,000+ a year, your not getting a mortgage. You have no idea what it's like when people who are earning an average wage or less will never be able to get a place of there own. That is a direct result of immigration, demand for housing has greatly out stripped supply. Add to this wage compression due to cheap labour, and for a lot of people the future was a bit bleak to say the least.

 

13 minutes ago, MikeChipshop said:

 

How can it possibly not go to a Yes this time? Nearly everyone i knew that was voting 'No' to the Scottish Indy Ref (myself included, sorry AB :( ) was in some part down to a desire to stay in Europe. With the EU floundered and the economy already on the rocks, there's little reason to be in the UK, for me at least.

Scotland have already been told they can't join the EU on there own.

1 minute ago, SIE said:

As for brexit, what the scots don't realise is that a lot of people down south will never be able to afford there own home or even rent one. House prices have gone up so much over the last several years, unless your bringing in £50,000+ a year, your not getting a mortgage. You have no idea what it's like when people who are earning an average wage or less will never be able to get a place of there own. That is a direct result of immigration, demand for housing has greatly out stripped supply. Add to this wage compression due to cheap labour, and for a lot of people the future was a bit bleak to say the least.

 

Every Scot, every person even, knows full well that the house prices in the South East are ridiculous, it's common knowledge throughout the UK.

47 minutes ago, illegaloperation said:

Scotland and Northern Ireland will probably now vote to leave the UK and try to join the EU.

 

I hope Cameron is happy that he will go down in history as the one to break up the UK.

tbh mate im no fan of cameron, but i point the finger of blame to Boris & Nigel more than Cameron.

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1 minute ago, MikeChipshop said:

So we've got a difference of opinions. What's that got to do with Scotland?

You were going on about Scotland having another referendum which would be a yes this time, have a read back through the thread please.

1 minute ago, Mando said:

tbh mate im no fan of cameron, but i point the finger of blame to Boris & Nigel more than Cameron.

They were all in it together. Maybe this is one for the conspiracy forum, but the Tories benefit hugely from all this. If Scotland leave, and maybe even Ireland that leaves just an England with a majority Tory rule effectively eliminating the SNP from Westminster entirely. That leaves the Tories with barely any competition, Labour is a mess of in fighting, UKIP is just a joke party, and they managed to kill of Lib Dems years ago now.

16 minutes ago, SIE said:

You have no idea what it's like when people who are earning an average wage or less will never be able to get a place of there own. That is a direct result of immigration, demand for housing has greatly out stripped supply.

Letting the Chinese and everyone else buy property as a way of investment which they then leave empty has got nothing to do with the EU or immigration.

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1 minute ago, SIE said:

You were going on about Scotland having another referendum which would be a yes this time, have a read back through the thread please.

And then you started bawling about house prices in the south east, scots this, scots this. Pull it together man you're waffling. Stop blaming the Scots. 

2 minutes ago, FunkyMike said:

Letting the Chinese and everyone else buy property as a way of investment which they then leave empty has got nothing to do with the EU or immigration.

Don;t forget the hordes and hordes of Russian properties, oh... and let's not forget the tons of over priced buy to lets standing empty because the every day folk are priced out by both the landords and the letting agents.

15 minutes ago, SIE said:

And yet you think we should just suck it up. I have two children, how do you think it makes me feel knowing if things carried on the way they were, the only way they would get a house of there own is when I die.

Dont you think we have the same issue up here?  Its taken me until I am 44 to afford buying my own house, ive worked in good paying jobs since 1989 and only now has it been possible to afford it.

 

Do you honestly think that this issue is purely the EUs fault??

Seriously mate? House prices suddenly just going to be for 4 sheep and a pack of hubba bubba now we have instigated leaving the EU??

 

 

 

 

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The thing is, the one that wanted out always see things one sided, like the money we put into the EU pot, to them it's like we don't get any money back which is funny considering Wales alone gets about £2.4 billion out of the EU, they always see things one directional, EU bad, Britain good, no shades of gray.

 

But really something this big should of been a mandatory vote, the ones to blame with this is the mass media, politicians and voters, the mass media for not giving the people the facts so they can vote fully informed and not out of fear, politicians, well pretty much the same reasons as mass media and the voters, I would love to know what the percentage of voters actually knew what they was voting for and unfortunately, I bet most don't really know, I already know because I've talked to many people over my lifetime that have little to no idea what the EU is but think it's bad and you know what the real funny thing is, you can almost tell which newspaper they read by what views they tell, kind of suggesting that it's not so much their views but what they've been brainwashed into thinking, and it doesn't surprise me really, the mass media have been having a go at the EU for like 40 years now so it's no wonder people think like they do, say something enough time and people end up thinking it's true even if it's not.

 

In any case, it's sad for the UK and you've got to feel sorry for the younger generation of people, they are the ones that will feel this the most.

5 minutes ago, FunkyMike said:

Letting the Chinese and everyone else buy property as a way of investment which they then leave empty has got nothing to do with the EU or immigration.

 

1 minute ago, MikeChipshop said:

Don;t forget the hordes and hordes of Russian properties, oh... and let's not forget the tons of over priced buy to lets standing empty because the every day folk are priced out by both the landords and the letting agents.

That's funny, I don't see hordes of Russians or many Chinese buying up property in the West Midlands, you seem to be under the impression that London is England.

 

6 minutes ago, MikeChipshop said:

And then you started bawling about house prices in the south east, scots this, scots this. Pull it together man you're waffling. Stop blaming the Scots. 

I suggest you have a read back through the thread as you can't seem to remember what you have written.

Just now, SIE said:

 

That's funny, I don't see hordes of Russians or many Chinese buying up property in the West Midlands, you seem to be under the impression that London is England.

 

I suggest you have a read back through the thread as you can't seem to remember what you have written.

Birmingham City centre had newly build apartment blocks standing empty for years under the orders of agents and landlords.

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1 minute ago, Mando said:

Dont you think we have the same issue up here?  Its taken me until I am 44 to afford buying my own house, ive worked in good paying jobs since 1989 and only now has it been possible to afford it.

 

Do you honestly think that this issue is purely the EUs fault??

Seriously mate? House prices suddenly just going to be for 4 sheep and a pack of hubba bubba now we have instigated leaving the EU??

 

 

 

 

Are you seriously trying to say, population increase, at least partly caused by immigration, hasn't increased the demand for housing?

It's basic math.

3 minutes ago, SIE said:

Are you seriously trying to say, population increase, at least partly caused by immigration, hasn't increased the demand for housing?

It's basic math.

not at all buddy, the biggest influence has been the lack of investment by the UK government in affordable housing and the increase in buy to let in the last 30 years., and the sell off by the conservatives in the late 70s & 80s selling off council properties.

 

you want to blame someone, I understand and agree, blaming the EU is not the root cause. Look inward to our own government.

 

in regards to the immigration angle, you do realise that the bigger source of immigration is outside of the EU as it always has been?

What we are seeing now cannot be labelled as immigration, they are asylum seekers fleeing war in their home country, under the Geneva convention we have a duty of care to them, just as every other country who abide by said international law.

1 minute ago, SIE said:

 

That's funny, I don't see hordes of Russians or many Chinese buying up property in the West Midlands, you seem to be under the impression that London is England.

 

I suggest you have a read back through the thread as you can't seem to remember what you have written.

Well it was you who said "Down South". I'm sorry but at what point in history has the Midlands ever been known (in the context of England) as "Down South"? If you look at "Down south" in it's proper context, i.e. Watford Gap and south, yes there's a ###### ton of properties as described by myself and FunkyMike. House prices in Scotland aren't a barrel of joy either.

 

As for reading back through my posts, why don't you enlighten me as you're so clued up on what i said when i quite specifically remember talking about the possible Scottish referendum before you can him all upset over some nonsense.

5 minutes ago, SIE said:

Are you seriously trying to say, population increase, at least partly caused by immigration, hasn't increased the demand for housing?

It's basic math.

Basic math it is not.  And clearly you have no idea about supply and demand in housing market, since you cannot analyze it beyond basic math. economics are SLIGHTLY more then basic math, even if simple.

https://fullfact.org/economy/are-immigrants-pushing-house-prices/

 

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Just now, Mando said:

not at all buddy, the biggest influence has been the lack of investment by the UK government in affordable housing and the increase in buy to let in the last 30 years. you want to blame someone, I understand and agree, blaming the EU is not the root cause. Look inward to our own government.

I do blame them as well mate, but as for investment, the UK needed to build I think it was 250,000? (<not 100% on that figure) homes a year just to keep up with immigration.

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