Quick poll on the UK's decision to leave the EU

[SIE]

4 minutes ago, E.worm Jimmy said:

Basic math it is not.  And clearly you have no idea about supply and demand in housing market, since you cannot analyze it beyond basic math. economics are SLIGHTLY more then basic math, even if simple.

https://fullfact.org/economy/are-immigrants-pushing-house-prices/

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1583501/Immigration-raises-house-prices-say-peers.html

 

It's easy to find a website to go with your point.

[MikeChipshop Member]

1 minute ago, SIE said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1583501/Immigration-raises-house-prices-say-peers.html

 

It's easy to find a website to go with your point.

How do you not know the basic premise of supply and demand?

[Mando]

8 minutes ago, SIE said:

I do blame them as well mate, but as for investment, the UK needed to build I think it was 250,000? (<not 100% on that figure) homes a year just to keep up with immigration.

the immigration is inevitable and always has been since before the 20th century (and before we even were a part of the EEC), indian, pakistani (post 1947 obv), jamacian (insert any other commonwealth country) after WW2 were encouraged to migrate to the UK.

 

Again being in the EU would see subsidies being paid to help the UK fund that requirement of affordable housing, the govt are running a sky high mountain of national debt and could not afford to even if they wanted to, thats why housing associations appeared in the late 90s.

 

lets move away from the word immigration, its a horrible term, lets call them an incoming populace  

[PeteWhite]

4 hours ago, Mando said:

Huge subsidies now gone

• UK farmers 
• UK fishermen
• UK Biomedical/Pharma Research
• UK nature conservation.
• Homegrown Tech industry.
• Renewable energy projects
• Multiple UK towns and areas classed as in decline have been boosted massively with EU regeneration projects that our own UK government ignore (mining towns, heavy industry, shipbuilding etc etc).
  
  All heavily bolstered with money from the EU monetary fund, do people actually think the UK govt will a) find those funds b) will actually do anyhting themselves, they didn't before the EU did.

Where exactly do you think the EU gets that money from? We give them £14bn a year (would be £18bn without the rebate) they then give some of that back to us in the form of subsidies etc. leaving about £8bn as our net contribution.

[SIE]

1 minute ago, Mando said:

the immigration is inevitable and always has been since before the 20th century (and before we even were a part of the EEC), indians, pakistanis, jamacian (insert any other commonwealth country) after WW2 were encrouraged to migrat eto the UK.

Again being in the EU would see subsidies being paid to help the UK fund that requirement of affordable housing, the govt are running a sky high mountain of national debt and could not afford to even if they wanted to, thats why housing associations appeared in the late 90s.

 

lets move away from the word immigration, its a horrible term, lets call them an incoming populace  

I don't disagree with you mate, I have no problem with immigrants at all, my concern is population increase, it's that simple.

 

5 minutes ago, MikeChipshop said:

How do you not know the basic premise of supply and demand?

I don't think you understand what your saying mate, basic premise would suggest increased price would see a decrease in demand, in turn reducing pricing to an acceptable level. That's not happening is it? Stop using Google to look clever.

 

[MikeChipshop Member]

1 minute ago, SIE said:

I don't disagree with you mate, I have no problem with immigrants at all, my concern is population increase, it's that simple.

 

I don't think you understand what your saying mate, basic premise would suggest increased price would see a decrease in demand, in turn reducing pricing to an acceptable level. That's not happening is it? Stop using Google to look clever.

 

Oh ######, that really went over your head didn't it? And pretty much confirmed your looking for a reason to blame immigrants.

 

Let's make this nice and easy for you... the more people (yes that includes immigrants) buying houses and demanding houses, the lower the cost of housing becomes (basic supply and demand). The more houses bought up to have their prices artificially inflated or left empty by investors means less houses available and those that are, are more expensive. 

[Mando]

23 minutes ago, PeteWhite said:

Where exactly do you think the EU gets that money from? We give them £14bn a year (would be £18bn without the rebate) they then give some of that back to us in the form of subsidies etc. leaving about £8bn as our net contribution.

we got just over 50% of our expenditure back annually, baring in mind that some of the funds we sent was our share of £1bn pa for international relief coupled with inexcess of £6.5bn profit from europes single market annually to be factored in as returns also. We prob had one of the best returns of that money, cold be worse, look at how much Germany and Holland plough into it and get back, we had a pretty good deal considering.

 

lets stop for a mo and consider, what if the EU refuse a deal to allow us to trade directly like an EU member, it could well be the beginning of the end of what manufacturing industries we do have left, most will probably consider moving their manufacturing processes out of the UK and see places like Dublin and Amsterdam being selected instead we depend a lot more on EU trade than the EU depends on UK exports. I personally have seen allready 1  big major customer of my employer pull some new research projects from us and give to a different site in Dublin, due to Fridays outcome.

 

Heck Morgan Stanly have already announced the move form the UK and the loss of 2000 UK jobs in their financial market. I hope thats the only one.

 

can you honestly see our UK govt repatriating the funds back to subsidise the listed recipients of grants and funding? I dont, look at the NHS over the last 50 years. if they have any sense (which i doubt) they should split the savings between softening the blow to the affected sectors and deal with our scary mountain of national debt, but they wont.

Edited June 25, 2016 by Mando

[SIE]

2 minutes ago, MikeChipshop said:

Oh ######, that really went over your head didn't it? And pretty much confirmed your looking for a reason to blame immigrants.

 

Let's make this nice and easy for you... the more people (yes that includes immigrants) buying houses and demanding houses, the lower the cost of housing becomes (basic supply and demand). The more houses bought up to have their prices artificially inflated or left empty by investors means less houses available and those that are, are more expensive. 

Are you kidding? Your saying a higher demand would decrease the price?

just WOW!

[MikeChipshop Member]

3 minutes ago, SIE said:

Are you kidding? Your saying a higher demand would decrease the price?

just WOW!

/facepalms

[SIE]

Just now, MikeChipshop said:

/facepalms

I don't think you understand that housing is in short supply, and no, in a lot of areas it's not  down to property's being left empty, it's simply that there are none empty.

You seem to think houses are the same as any other commodity or product, you can't just ramp up production and get materials at a cheaper cost due to buying more, the basic premise of supply and demand doesn't work.

 

Thanks' for giving me a laugh.

 

[MikeChipshop Member]

1 minute ago, SIE said:

you can't just ramp up production and get materials at a cheaper cost due to buying more

 

Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.

 

At this rate face palms are going to be dirt cheap.

[SIE]

1 minute ago, MikeChipshop said:

 

Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.

 

At this rate face palms are going to be dirt cheap.

The government doesn't have the money to knock up a couple of million homes, your making yourself look rather childish to be honest.

[MikeChipshop Member]

2 minutes ago, SIE said:

The government doesn't have the money to knock up a couple of million homes, your making yourself look rather childish to be honest.

I'm sorry, i can't argue with a man that comes on to moan at Scots and then proves he can't understand the simply process of supply and demand, i really can't 

[SIE]

1 minute ago, MikeChipshop said:

I'm sorry, i can't argue with a man that comes on to moan at Scots and then proves he can't understand the simply process of supply and demand, i really can't 

I understand fine, it seems you quoted a few things from google but have no thought process about what you are saying.

You talk about supply and demand, yet you can't seem to grasp the fact, that with no money to build homes, supply can't meet demand. I would have thought most people would think that's obvious, but I guess not.

 

[Arachno 1D]

One Minister is reported by BBC radio to have has just announced on recall of Parliment he will motion a bill to repeal the vote as its not legally binding.

[Crisp]

Scotland should just skip a referendum, just give them their independence and call it a day. Clearly the country wants to remain in the EU and it's just a dead leg to us anyway.

[game_over]

21 minutes ago, Arachno 1D said:

One Minister is reported by BBC radio to have has just announced on recall of Parliment he will motion a bill to repeal the vote as its not legally binding.

Thats correct, it's not, we're still officially in the EU until the Government initiate our withdrawal. Regardless of the result I can't believe people of this country are happy to repeal the vote or hold a 2nd referendum... our democracy would essentially be dead. Our right to vote becomes worthless.

 

I personally think the damage is done, It would be damaging for David Cameron to back track is resignation and the EU seem to want to get us out as quickly as possibly and I would lose that last bit of faith I had in our political system.

[Louisifer]

If somehow the exit was cancelled then I hope the EU honour the democratic vote and kick us out.  

 

We are now the cancer of the EU, they have to remove us as soon as possible before our exit infects other nations and undermines the whole union.

[Arachno 1D]

Germany think we are an ungrateful and petulant child given their reponse to the vote

[ctebah]

1 hour ago, MikeChipshop said:

Let's make this nice and easy for you... the more people (yes that includes immigrants) buying houses and demanding houses, the lower the cost of housing becomes (basic supply and demand). 

No.  Completely opposite in almost every single "hot" market out there.  

[Ravensky]

2 minutes ago, Louisifer said:

If somehow the exit was cancelled then I hope the EU honour the democratic vote and kick us out.  

 

We are now the cancer of the EU, they have to remove us as soon as possible before our exit infects other nations and undermines the whole union.

It would be a wonderful thing if the entire EU was to take a ######...   It's nothing but the Soviet Union all over again, but worse!

[Arachno 1D]

Regarding housing a collegue at work wanted to purchase a brand new house.The vendor stated he would need to go into a lottery draw for the winning bid.

[PGHammer]

1 hour ago, SIE said:

Are you kidding? Your saying a higher demand would decrease the price?

just WOW!

Increased demand increases prices (due to decreased supply); unless you're in the Netherlands, they aren't creating more land - there is only a FIXED amount of that!

 

Compare housing demand in three cities in France - Paris, Nice, and Orleans.

 

Do the same comparison in Germany (Bonn, Berlin, and Munich).

 

And finally, do the same in Great Britain itself.

 

The do that same comparison in Texas - Austin, Fort Worth, and Waco.

 

Are there any specifics (in any of the places I named) that would drive housing prices in either direction way above (or below) the median price under normal circumstances?  Paris, being the national capital of France, would see that as a driver; the same would apply to Berlin (like it used to apply to Bonn - the former national capital of West Germany); likewise with Austin (state capital of Texas).

 

However, there IS one thing I noticed as a big driver of those that admitted voting for REMAIN - all are subsidy recipients.  Whether you admit it or not, that DOES provide an influence on your position - I call it the legal equivalent of accepting a bribe.  (Yes; it may be legal; still, I have a rather low opinion of "vote-buying" - in any jurisdiction.)  If those in favor of a position can't advance a position on merit (and have to result to vote-buying (legal) or even bribery (illegal)) exactly how viable IS said position?

[SIE]

2 minutes ago, PGHammer said:

Increased demand increases prices (due to decreased supply); unless you're in the Netherlands, they aren't creating more land - there is only a FIXED amount of that!

 

That's what I've been saying mate, but for some strange reason people disagree.

[insomniac9]

I'm happy to say that I voted to leave the EU. My biggest bug bear was not the immigration issue that seemed to dominate the campaign it was the how much control Europe had over British law (damn article 8 challenges) along with how much we had to pay to be part of a club. The original principles of creating the EU was to create a common trade system that allowed free movement of goods and services without excessive fees not what it has turned into. If the government were serious about wanting to remain then they should have got better conditions when Cameron negotiated earlier this year. We did not get the changes we felt we needed to stay a member and were not convinced that the EU would make changes to make things fairer for us and other member states. Brexit will only be as successful as we, the prime minister and parliment make it. Stop bleeting on that you lost and get on with the job the people of this country gave you and do what is best for our country whether or not you agree with brexit.