Playboy to Feature Its First Transgender Playmate

[+virtorio MVC]

7 minutes ago, trag3dy said:

I don't think it's prudish to not want a speciffic brand of social progresivism shoved down our throats weather we want it or not.

 

@DeusProto I can thumbs down your posts too buddy.

You sound just like people who complained when Hugh Hefner first launched the magazine.

[Lamp0]

6 hours ago, DocM said:

That said, this does not mean I want to flip a page in a magazine and see one naked. Not my cup of tea.

To be honest I have flipped pages in these magazines and seen women who would put me off my tea.

 

[Rippleman]

7 hours ago, HoochieMamma said:

No, technically the person is a man. Mutilating your body will never change that. Tell people to call you whatever you want but you're still technically a man that's just had surgery.

I am not speaking of surgery though. I am speaking of how society defines things. You are correct using today's definition. Today we define a persons gender by what apparatus they had when born. However, as you can see, many people who are born in the opposite body by the way we define gender. The definition is now in changing to account for better understanding of we are not defined by simply 1 factor alone.  Example: Your body is just a shell, you are the entity that runs it. If you lost your arm, you are still "HoochieMamma", if you lost your leg you are still "HoochiMamma", if you lost your anything physical (aside from brain) you are STILL "hootchiemamma". This is how society should define you... by YOU and not your physical (or lack of) traits. Are you male or female if ONLY hootchiemammas brain was in a vat on a table? 

Like I said, I am only objecting to Playboys decision in a business sense, not anything else.

Edited October 22, 2017 by Rippleman

[adrynalyne]

10 minutes ago, Rippleman said:

I am not speaking of surgery though. I am speaking of how society defines things. You are correct using today's definition. Today we define a persons gender by what apparatus they had when born. However, as you can see, many people who are born in the opposite body by the way we define gender. Example: Your body is just a shell, you are the entity that runs it. If you lost your arm, you are still "HoochieMamma", if you lost your leg you are still "HoochiMamma", if you lost your anything physical (aside from brain) you are STILL "hootchiemamma". This is how society should define you... by YOU and not your physical (or lack of) traits. Are you male or female if ONLY hootchiemammas brain was in a vat on a table? 

No you are male and female via genetics and more specifically,chromosomes with exception of chromosomal abnormalities. Nothing is going to change that. Your equipment isn’t the deciding factor. 

[Rippleman]

2 minutes ago, adrynalyne said:

No you are male and female via genetics and more specifically,chromosomes with exception of chromosomal abnormalities. Nothing is going to change that. Your equipment isn’t the deciding factor. 

If your brain was (with life-support) in a jar on a table, would adrynalyne be male or female?

[Barney T. Administrators]

Please read the literature regarding this issue. Science and medicine do not support transgender as a mental health issue.

 

http://time.com/4424589/being-transgender-is-not-a-mental-disorder-study/

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/where-transgender-is-no-longer-a-diagnosis/

 

https://www.livescience.com/55554-transgender-identity-classification.html

 

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/expert-qa

[sc302 Veteran]

If your brain was (with life-support) in a jar on a table, would adrynalyne be male or female?

Well, if someone did a dna analysis you could see which chromosomes are present to determine gender. Not sure if that was what you were getting at, but it could be determined.

[Mando]

at the end of the day, regardless of gender, i still fail to comprehend in this day and age why Playboy and other spank mags even exist, lusting over ink....meh no thanks ill have the real thing thanks.

 

maybe im just a bit funny that way, im the same with any pron, pointless voyuerism. gimme the real thing any day over pixels or ink on a page. 

 

[Dick Montage]

2 hours ago, trag3dy said:

I don't think it's prudish to not want a speciffic brand of social progresivism shoved down our throats weather we want it or not.

 

@DeusProto I can thumbs down your posts too buddy.

You choose to buy said magazine - as such, nothing is shoved down your throats.

[Rippleman]

Just now, sc302 said:

Well, if someone did a dna analysis you could see which chromosomes are present to determine gender. Not sure if that was what you were getting at, but it could be determined.

We are going off track, my point is, you are who you are. Male/female is a medical label that is given. Yes you are born with one of these identifiable traits. Where the definition changes is people assigning roles/expectations ON that point and that point only. I still feel it is a bad business decision on playboys part... but they have smarter people then me in marketing, so whatever.

[trag3dy]

2 hours ago, Nefarious Trigger said:

You choose to buy said magazine - as such, nothing is shoved down your throats.

You have a point there.

18 hours ago, DeusProto said:

I am glad that Playboy is the first mainstream pornography publication to end its microaggressions against GLBTQ people. Hopefully the rest of the industry follows suit.

 

All facets of society need to put gender binary thinking behind them. In particular, cis males need to embrace change. In a few more decades only a fringe minority will have any problem with things like this.

But then again....

[adrynalyne]

2 hours ago, Rippleman said:

We are going off track, my point is, you are who you are. Male/female is a medical label that is given. Yes you are born with one of these identifiable traits. Where the definition changes is people assigning roles/expectations ON that point and that point only. I still feel it is a bad business decision on playboys part... but they have smarter people then me in marketing, so whatever.

I see you abandoned your brain in the jar line of thinking rather quickly

 

[patseguin Global Moderator]

2 hours ago, Barney T. said:

Please read the literature regarding this issue. Science and medicine do not support transgender as a mental health issue.

 

http://time.com/4424589/being-transgender-is-not-a-mental-disorder-study/

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/where-transgender-is-no-longer-a-diagnosis/

 

https://www.livescience.com/55554-transgender-identity-classification.html

 

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/expert-qa

There are plenty of professionals who are on the other side of the fence regarding trans. Good read here:

 

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19062/7-myths-about-transgender-people-military-aaron-bandler

[Noir Angel]

5 hours ago, trag3dy said:

I don't think it's prudish to not want a speciffic brand of social progresivism shoved down our throats weather we want it or not.

 

@DeusProto I can thumbs down your posts too buddy.

Oh sure, one transgender model in a magazine you're not forced to buy is "forcing it down your throat". LOL.

I think what you mean is "I'm not happy because these people offend my tradcon sensibilities, and I'd very much prefer it if these people were forcibly hidden from all societal view".

[Rippleman]

39 minutes ago, adrynalyne said:

I see you abandoned your brain in the jar line of thinking rather quickly

 

Was that answer a male or female? I couldn't tell from your response.

[wakjak]

31 minutes ago, patseguin said:

There are plenty of professionals who are on the other side of the fence regarding trans

Good for them. Who cares? Professionals can be wrong from time to time.

[trag3dy]

33 minutes ago, Javik said:

Oh sure, one transgender model in a magazine you're not forced to buy is "forcing it down your throat". LOL.

I think what you mean is "I'm not happy because these people offend my tradcon sensibilities, and I'd very much prefer it if these people were forcibly hidden from all societal view".

Making (wrong) assumptions I see.

 

P.S. I didn't say a model in a magazine I'm not forced to buy was being forced down my throat. I said a specific brand of progresivism is. See DeusProto's post for specifics.

Edited October 22, 2017 by trag3dy

[wakjak]

But no one is forcing you to do anything. You don't have to agree with any brand of progresivism. 

[DocM]

Yeah, ANTIFA was labeled a domestic terrorism threat because they only use gentle persuasion to to convince people that their version of progressivism is correct. 

[wakjak]

11 minutes ago, DocM said:

Yeah, ANTIFA was labeled a domestic terrorism threat because they only use gentle persuasion to to convince people that their version of progressivism is correct. 

And that has what exactly to do with transgender people appearing in playboy exactly? Lol don't act all high and mighty as if the alt right isn't doing the exact same thing. We both know both extremes are idiots.

 

The only difference is that one of us will say it while the other pretends it doesn't happen. 

[+Warwagon MVC]

It's like if Nintendo made the main character of their Mario game Sonic. People don't buy a Mario game to play a Sonic game they buy it to play a Mario game. If people wanted a Sonic game they would go play a Sonic the Hedgehog game. If they wanted to see both of them in the same game together they would buy "Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games".

[DocM]

1 hour ago, wakjak said:

And that has what exactly to do with transgender people appearing in playboy exactly? Lol don't act all high and mighty as if the alt right isn't doing the exact same thing. We both know both extremes are idiots.

 

The only difference is that one of us will say it while the other pretends it doesn't happen. 

You're the one that mentioned progressivism.

 

I've stated several times in the political forum that both extremes are driving politics into the ditch, it's just that you haven't been listening. 

Edited October 22, 2017 by DocM

[+virtorio MVC]

50 minutes ago, warwagon said:

It's like if Nintendo made the main character of their Mario game Sonic. People don't buy a Mario game to play a Sonic game they buy it to play a Mario game. If people wanted a Sonic game they would go play a Sonic the Hedgehog game. If they wanted to see both of them in the same game together they would buy "Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games".

No, it would be like finding out Mario has had a vagina instead of a penis.

[Mando]

1 hour ago, warwagon said:

It's like if Nintendo made the main character of their Mario game Sonic. People don't buy a Mario game to play a Sonic game they buy it to play a Mario game. If people wanted a Sonic game they would go play a Sonic the Hedgehog game. If they wanted to see both of them in the same game together they would buy "Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games".

sorry what? youve lost me mate.

 

People are buying a magazine to perv at fake body parts, whether she is transgender or not, your still looking at fake bodyparts. you reckon all those boobies are real in playboy? pfft No wake up and smell the coffee, it aint 1969 anymore!

[+Warwagon MVC]

30 minutes ago, Mando said:

sorry what? youve lost me mate.

 

People are buying a magazine to perv at fake body parts, whether she is transgender or not, your still looking at fake bodyparts. you reckon all those boobies are real in playboy? pfft No wake up and smell the coffee, it aint 1969 anymore!

But they prefer to perv at XY and not at XX