The horror of finding a 1440p, 144Hz, IPS, GSYNC gaming monitor >=27" (pref curved)

[Steven P. Administrators]

It gets expensive mainly due to G-Sync, you can get the same quality for quite a bit less without G-Sync

[adrynalyne]

8 minutes ago, Steven P. said:

It gets expensive mainly due to G-Sync, you can get the same quality for quite a bit less without G-Sync

High refresh rate also jumps the price. And yes they exist without g sync. I have a 144hz monitor at home without g or free sync. 

 

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-38-curved-monitor-u3818dw/apd/210-amrc/monitors-monitor-accessories

I got this last week for 850. I’m not a gamer though so I don’t need those things. 

[sectorseven]

 The ASUS PG279Q seems to have the worst quality control of these options. As with any model it’s decent enough if you get a good unit and on par with the others. But your odds of that are slightly lower, at least from user feedback I’ve seen.

 

– The XG2703-GS uses a different variant of the XB271HU‘s panel, but it is of a similar age and generation.

 

 

– Most XB271HUs are nicely calibrated and similar to the ViewSonic for overall image quality (and responsiveness). Some are not as well calibrated, gamma is too low regardless of OSD settings. That is what people will be referring to when they say colours aren’t as good. They aren’t, if you get one of those bad units. The AOC, ViewSonic and ASUS are more consistent with their calibration.

Given the above, any of these models can be good if you get a good unit. Performance is then similar and you’re splitting hairs trying to compare them. The ViewSonic and AOC are probably the most consistently good, however.

 

this is  my conclusion  from all these  things  i have read.

[DevTech]

3 hours ago, adrynalyne said:

The first one is not; you can tell by number of colors it supports. 16.7 million = 8 bit. 

https://www.asus.com/ca-en/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG279Q/specifications/

 

Panel Size: Wide Screen 27.0"(68.6cm) 16:9
Color Saturation : 100%(sRGB) 
Panel Backlight / Type : In-Plane Switching
True Resolution : 2560x1440 *
Display Surface Non-glare
Pixel Pitch : 0.233 mm
Brightness(Max) : 350 cd/㎡
Contrast Ratio (Max) : 1000:1
Viewing Angle (CR≧10) : 178°(H)/178°(V)
Response Time : 4ms (Gray to Gray)
Display Colors : 16.7M (real 8 bit)
Flicker free 
Refresh Rate(max) : 165Hz*1

 

Yeah it says 8 bit but at quick glance I managed to confuse myself with the stated 100% sRGB coverage spec for that monitor.

 

So, for HDR, the spec for Windows is scRGB https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ScRGB or perhaps the new Adobe "Wide Gamut" standard - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide-gamut_RGB_color_space

 

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_depth

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RGB_color_space

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRGB

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ScRGB

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_RGB_color_space

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide-gamut_RGB_color_space

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamut

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-dynamic-range_imaging

 

 

[DevTech]

18 minutes ago, sectorseven said:

 The ASUS PG279Q seems to have the worst quality control of these options. As with any model it’s decent enough if you get a good unit and on par with the others. But your odds of that are slightly lower, at least from user feedback I’ve seen.

 

– The XG2703-GS uses a different variant of the XB271HU‘s panel, but it is of a similar age and generation.

 

 

– Most XB271HUs are nicely calibrated and similar to the ViewSonic for overall image quality (and responsiveness). Some are not as well calibrated, gamma is too low regardless of OSD settings. That is what people will be referring to when they say colours aren’t as good. They aren’t, if you get one of those bad units. The AOC, ViewSonic and ASUS are more consistent with their calibration.

Given the above, any of these models can be good if you get a good unit. Performance is then similar and you’re splitting hairs trying to compare them. The ViewSonic and AOC are probably the most consistently good, however.

 

this is  my conclusion  from all these  things  i have read.

You can't make a 10 bit panel out of an 8 bit panel - so right now when we are in a transition period where 8 bit panels will start to just die out over time, there is a lot of confusing information out there and review sites that should know better are often completely missing the issue...

 

[sectorseven]

so  which  monitor to  buy  from these  3;

Viewsonic XG2703-GS,  AOC Agon AG271QG and the Acer xb271hu;

[sectorseven]

i am very confused i dont  know  which  monitor  to  buy  from  these  3

[Mindovermaster Moderator]

Umm, I would wait more than 4 hours. We aren't here 24/7...

[+E.Worm Jimmy Subscriber¹]

5 hours ago, sectorseven said:

so  which  monitor to  buy  from these  3;

Viewsonic XG2703-GS,  AOC Agon AG271QG and the Acer xb271hu;

well, if it narrows it down, I would advice against anything AOC.   (usually also ACER, though this particular monitor is an exception)

 

also, why did you remove the Asus one from the list, it is almost identical to Acer, but slightly better in design (in my opinion)

 

good luck either way, I think other then AOC, I would chose the cheapest (if there is significant difference) or the best looking (if there is not)

[DevTech]

5 hours ago, sectorseven said:

so  which  monitor to  buy  from these  3;

Viewsonic XG2703-GS,  AOC Agon AG271QG and the Acer xb271hu;

$700

 

https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/predator-model/UM.HX1AA.001

 

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Predator-XB271HU-2560x1440-Display/dp/B0173PEX20

 

 

$700

 

https://eu.aoc.com/en/gaming/products/ag271qg/specs

 

https://www.amazon.com/AOC-AG271QG-2560x1440-Adjustable-DisplayPort/dp/B01G5JYMNA

 

 

$?

 

https://www.viewsonic.com/us/xg2703-gs.html#specs

 

 

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It appears that Viewsonic is not designing their own monitors anymore, not sure, but they look like a "front" brand for a bewildering variety of panels... I'd avoid that

 

Everything on this list is a crappy 2K 8 bit panel so throw a dart at the wall to pick your variety of dog poop...

 

The Acer seems to have the nicest plastic packaging and colors....

 

 

 

[sectorseven]

why  you believe  that  Acer seems to have the nicest plastic packaging and colors?  against   Viewsonic XG2703-GS?  can  you tell me  please??

[DevTech]

OK, so I went down the rabbit hole a bit due to the curse of human curiosity...

 

So the phrase to google is "G-SYNC HDR" which is NVIDIA's "brand" designation for 10 bit panels using G-Sync.

 

It turns out that high refresh rates are really nasty to signal bandwidth and it even exceeds Display Port!

 

You need HDMI 2.1 chips in both the video card and the monitor and of course a HDMI 2.1 cable.

 

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/asus-and-acer-uhd-g-sync-hdr-monitors-forced-to-use-color-compression-at-120144-hz.html

 

"The story now is that the ASUS and Acer screens make use of color compression at 120 and 144 Hz, not because the panel couldn't handle it, but the main limitation is signal bandwidth over DisplayPort 1.4. This also means you pretty much need to run your Windows desktop at 60 Hz for a bit of a quality readable view. DisplayPort 1.4 has too little bandwidth available to drive 4k, 144 Hz without compression. To bypass that, the screen monitor signal reverts to 4:2:2 chroma subsampling. basically your brightness information will remain intact, however, the color information will be based on half the resolution, 1920 x 2160 pixels. All is good up to 98 Hz, after that, it's 4:2:2 chroma subsampling  ... on your 2500 Euro / 2000 USD Screen. Lovely.  There's no real solution for this, other than new display connectors and graphics cards that do support such high bandwidth connections - HDMI 2.1. "

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/8rlf2z/psa-4k-144-hz-monitors-use-chroma-subsampling-for/

 

"so hopefully fewer people will be caught off guard by this. If you're going to buy one of these 4K 144 Hz monitors, then just be aware that desktop and text will have degraded image quality when operating at 4K above 120 Hz (8 bpc/SDR) or 98 Hz (10 bpc/HDR). Or if you already have one of these monitors and are wondering why text looks bad at 144 Hz, that's why."

 

 

[DevTech]

OK, update, so you can't just slap in a HDMI 2.1 chip at both ends, you need a G-SYNC HDR chip at both ends with a HDMI 2.1 signal...

 

[DevTech]

8 minutes ago, sectorseven said:

why  you believe  that  Acer seems to have the nicest plastic packaging and colors?  against   Viewsonic XG2703-GS?  can  you tell me  please??

This should be obvious since the Viewsonic has two plastic pillars leading to the base stand that suggest a philosophical duality of existence that could only lead to a lack of singular focus when attempting to demolish opponents in the hands of a thinking person while the Acer demands the essence of survival by throwing the Predator name in your face while suggesting Alien Orange Fangs of Doom in the color scheme of the base along with the much more aggressive shade of gray in the monitor bezel.  

[Jose_49]

On 12/17/2018 at 5:20 PM, sectorseven said:

Hi all,

I've been looking for weeks for the perfect monitor that has these specifications:

1440p

>165hz refresh

IPS

GSYNC

Low overal response time/input lag

Good colors

>=27"

Curved if possible

 I can see that the clear winner would be:
Acer Predator XB271HU

However, they are really hard to find and the one I can find (EU) is 749 euro. Which seems allot for only a 1440p 27"screen.
Is there anything on the market now, or coming out in the near future that can compete with the Acer?

OR should I give up the dream about getting a curved 1440p with all the bells and whistles?

 

i have seen  this list but i dont  which monitor is the best

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=256001440&A=1&p=1
 

 

Best regards

 

I remember doing this for a friend last month. We also had issues when finding an IPS one. Most of them are TN panels (due to the lower response times), or normal LED panels.

 

We found this non-IPS monitor:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0785MMPJ1/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

[DevTech]

OK, so these monitors typically have a standard HDMI port and a DisplayPort 1.4 port.

 

The max refresh rate you can push over the 1.4 standard without color compression artifacts is 98hz which leads to considering the following two minitors as a reasonable compromize between color quality and refresh rate:

 

(BOTH have 10 bit panels)

 

$800

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236717R&Description=g-sync&cm_re=g-sync-_-24-236-717R-_-Product

 

Asus ROG Swift PG348Q Black 34" 3440 x 1440, 100 Hz Curved IPS G-Sync 21:9 WQHD 100% sRGB Gaming Monitor with Speakers, Tilt, Swift, Height-Adjustable, VESA Mount

 

34" 1440p IPS panel 100Hz

ASUS EyeCare technology (TüV Rheinland-certified)

NVIDIA G-SYNC Technology

Curved Ultra-wide 21:9 Aspect Ratio

 

 

$800

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824011185&Description=g-sync&cm_re=g-sync-_-24-011-185-_-Product

 

Acer Predator X34 Pbmiphzx Black 34" 4ms (GTG) 60Hz/120Hz, Curved 1900R, 3440 x 1440, NVIDIA G-SYNC Ultra-wide Gaming Monitor, ZeroFrame Design, VESA Mountable, Tilt/Swivel/Height Adjustable

 

3440 x 1440 UltraWide-QHD 4ms (GTG) 60Hz/120Hz

1900R Curved Monitor

Contrast Ratio 1,000,000:1 Max, Display Colors: 1.07 Billion

DP, HDMI, USB 3.0

Tilt, Swivel, Height Adjustable, VESA Mountable

NVIDIA G-SYNC Technology, ZeroFrame Design, Predator GameView Technology

 

[DevTech]

Reference Info

 

 

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/g-sync-monitors/

 

https://www.blurbusters.com/gsync/list-of-gsync-monitors/

 

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/g-sync-hdr-27-inch-4k-144hz-monitors-available-now/

 

https://www.nvidia.com/object/g-sync-hdr-requirements.html

 

G-SYNC HDR SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS

 

DESKTOP PC CONNECTED TO G-SYNC HDR MONITOR:

Graphics Cards Supported: G-SYNC HDR features require an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 GPU or higher.1

Driver: R396 GA2 or higher

Operating Systems:

Windows 10

System Requirement: Must support DisplayPort 1.4 directly driven from the GPU.

 

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/asus-and-acer-uhd-g-sync-hdr-monitors-forced-to-use-color-compression-at-120144-hz.html

ASUS and Acer UHD G-Sync HDR Monitors Forced to Use Color Compression at 120/144 Hz

 

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/245463/nvidia-g-sync-hdr-module-adds-usd-500-to-monitor-pricing

NVIDIA G-Sync HDR Module Adds $500 to Monitor Pricing

 

 

"PCPer had the opportunity to disassemble the ASUS ROG Swift PG27UQ 27", a 4K 144 Hz G-Sync HDR Monitor and found that the G-Sync module is a newer version than the one used on 1st generation G-Sync monitors (which of course do not support 4K / 144 Hz / HDR). The module is powered by an FPGA made by Altera (Intel-owned since 2015). The exact model number is Arria 10 GX 480, which is a high-performance 20 nanometer SoC that provides enough bandwidth and LVDS pins to process the data stream. 

The FPGA is sold in low quantities for $2000 at Digikey and Mouser. Assuming that NVIDIA buys thousands, PCPer suggests that the price of this chip alone will add $500 to monitor cost. The BOM cost is further increased by 3 GB of DDR4 memory on the module. With added licensing fees for G-SYNC, this explains why these monitors are so expensive."

 

[DevTech]

1. The horror of finding a 1440p, 144Hz, IPS, GSYNC gaming monitor >=27" (pref curved)

 

2. The Double Horror of discovering there is NO CABLE that can connect the video card to the monitor without a variety of just crazy types of INTENTIONAL signal damage because NVIDIA has to either shoehorn HDMI 2.1 OR Thunderbolt 4 inside the G-SYNC chip on BOTH the video card and the monitor!

[Steven P. Administrators]

9 hours ago, Jose_49 said:

I remember doing this for a friend last month. We also had issues when finding an IPS one. Most of them are TN panels (due to the lower response times), or normal LED panels.

 

We found this non-IPS monitor:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0785MMPJ1/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

I think I found the monitor you linked (there is no product number at the Amazon link) but look what happens to the price when I try to find it in my country (The Netherlands):

 

https://www.dell.com/nl-nl/shop/dell-27-gamingmonitor-s2716dg/apd/210-agui/monitoren-monitoraccessoires €718.74 ($823.50)

 

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-27-gaming-monitor-s2716dg/apd/210-agjr/monitors-monitor-accessories $399.99 (€349,11)

 

What the shit is this??

[+E.Worm Jimmy Subscriber¹]

10 hours ago, DevTech said:

1. The horror of finding a 1440p, 144Hz, IPS, GSYNC gaming monitor >=27" (pref curved)

 

2. The Double Horror of discovering there is NO CABLE that can connect the video card to the monitor without a variety of just crazy types of INTENTIONAL signal damage because NVIDIA has to either shoehorn HDMI 2.1 OR Thunderbolt 4 inside the G-SYNC chip on BOTH the video card and the monitor!

looks like you are talking that no cable that can do 4K HDR

 he is talking 1440p non HDR

 

huge difference!?

[DevTech]

3 hours ago, Jimmy1 said:

looks like you are talking that no cable that can do 4K HDR

 he is talking 1440p non HDR

 

huge difference!?

Hmmm.... the year is 2018, hmmm soon to be 2019....

 

Insane not to buy a 10 bit panel (with a full range RGB backlight of course)

 

That's kinda just basic... then maybe G-SYNC is good for something? so they would design that correctly, right? ... oh no... they didn't...

 

So there's the "horror" factor...

 

Really? They can't coordinate a freakin WIRE to go from a video card to a monitor knowing that 4K is everywhere?

 

And they feature the 4K 10 bit monitors on their G-SYNC marketing website? which requires a DisplayPort connector that they know is NOT adequate so after all that, they pull a bait n switch and degrade the color in a monitor that is literally designed to display properly enhanced color!

 

If that's not horror, it's a sin.

 

And that was simply the subject of that post - "horror"

 

I believe my boldface of the word "horror" in both sentences clearly laid out the scope of that particular post.

 

... The rest of it has adequately been covered in the other million posts in this thread ...

 

 

[Steven P. Administrators]

7 hours ago, Steven P. said:

I think I found the monitor you linked (there is no product number at the Amazon link) but look what happens to the price when I try to find it in my country (The Netherlands):

 

https://www.dell.com/nl-nl/shop/dell-27-gamingmonitor-s2716dg/apd/210-agui/monitoren-monitoraccessoires €718.74 ($823.50)

 

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-27-gaming-monitor-s2716dg/apd/210-agjr/monitors-monitor-accessories $399.99 (€349,11)

 

What the shit is this??

Please help me too @DevTech 

[dead.cell]

4 minutes ago, Steven P. said:

Please help me too @DevTech 

Not sure how anyone can help you with the prices (less you want us to smuggle you one ). However, I did buy that monitor when it went on sale over Thanksgiving week. Works great, and the 144Hz really makes a difference from a gaming standpoint, along with simple things like navigating the UI.

 

I'd love an IPS monitor, but I read on numerous issues with IPS versions of different 144Hz monitors reporting ghosting with other brands. That being said, I had to decide between response time or colors... which I guess really depends on what your goals are.

 

People wanting both is understandable, but not when you can buy 2 monitors for the price of 1. Something to consider at least. 

[sectorseven]

look i am not interesting to  buy  now  ultrawides  because   a  lot of games  have problems    also  the most  games  support is  in  16.9 and not in  21.9.,.

 

also  the  hdr  is marketing  trick  , we will  not see  very  soon real hdr also it will  be   more  expensive ,  also  4k now itsnot worth  for games  because we dont  have  vga cards  which have  the   power  to handle the  4k..

 

also  the utrawides  need  very  good  card  1080TI and  2080tI but and these cards  in most games  wil come with 40 and 50 fpsand  itsnt  worth..

 

Now  in  this in which i am interesting  is to  buy one   gaming  monitor  g-sync   ips  144 hz 1440p 27 size.  because i did  a lot of research and  i have one  my friend  that he tested  some monitors and  look what he told me

 

 

 

 

Getting the "perfect" 1440p gaming monitor. Well, i was on the same boat and ended up getting the PG279Q. I have read countless reviews comparing all those monitors you've mentioned. And the overall "best" of the bunch from what i've gathered is the Viewsonic. Best, meaning it has the least issues and has a little bit better color accuracy and gamma than the others. The Acer is recommended because of its price, it can go $100-200 cheaper than the competition with so little difference regarding picture quality and performance.. They all use the same panel anyway from AUoptronics. I got the Asus instead of the Viewsonic cause they are around the same price here in my place and the viewsonic was always out of stock everywhere. Tried the Asus to see how bad the backlight bleed and IPS glow and just do a return if it really bothers me. And yes my unit has one noticeable bleed on the upper right corner and worst IPS glow. Both are noticeable in dark scenes,especially the glow which is so annoying at first, but completely disappears in normal scenes. Decided to just keep it after 2 weeks of using because of how lovely my games looks and forgot about the bleed and glow. I also love the thin bezel so theres that. But yea, just get the Viewsonic if you want the best screen and probably the Acer if youre in a budget. Avoid Asus if you dont like to see tiny flash lights around your screen when playing in a dark room.

 

 

 

[DevTech]

4 hours ago, Steven P. said:

Please help me too @DevTech 

Not sure what you want to achieve.

 

The U.S. link is a "not found" for me.

 

The monitor in all the various links appears to be a TN panel which seems most appropriate for people that are "Legally Blind".

 

At 27" and normal sitting position right in front of the monitor, a TN panel will exhibit different viewing characteristics out of the corner of your eye no matter where you look on the screen (unless you sit 6 meters from the monitor and use binoculars)