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I'm hoping some server experts can give me some advice on this server that I configured and a Dell rep tweaked for me. We have a small 5 workstation domain right now. We run a large Filemaker Database, an SQL database, and host files on it. I just want some feedback before I spend $7,200. I configured the hard drives as RAID 10.

 

PowerEdge T640 Tower Server

Date & Time: June 07, 2019 6:37 AM CST

 

  SYSTEM COMPONENTS

 

PowerEdge T640 Tower ServerQty  1

PowerEdge T640Unit Price$7,104.22

Estimated Delivery:1/1/0001 12:00:00 AM-6/21/2019 5:00:00 AM

Catalog Number: 4 PE_T640_12442C

 Module DescriptionShow Details

Trusted Platform ModuleNo Trusted Platform Module

Chassis ConfigurationChassis with up to 8" x 3.5 SAS/SATA Hard Drives, Tower Configuration

ProcessorIntel® Xeon® Gold 5118 2.3G, 12C/24T, 10.4GT/s, 16.5M Cache, Turbo, HT (105W) DDR4-2400

Additional ProcessorNo Additional Processor

Processor Thermal ConfigurationStandard HS for Less = 150W

Memory DIMM Type and Speed2666MT/s RDIMMs

Memory Configuration TypePerformance Optimized

Memory Capacity32GB RDIMM, 2666MT/s, Dual Rank

RAID ConfigurationC5, RAID 10 for HDDs or SSDs in pairs (Matching Type/Speed/Capacity)

RAID/Internal Storage ControllersPERC H330 RAID Controller

Hard Drives(4) 1.2TB 10K RPM SAS 12Gbps 512n 2.5in Hot-plug Hard Drive, 3.5in HYB CARR

Hard Drives(4) 1.2TB 10K RPM SAS 12Gbps 512n 2.5in Hot-plug Hard Drive, 3.5in HYB CARR

Hard Drives(4) 1.2TB 10K RPM SAS 12Gbps 512n 2.5in Hot-plug Hard Drive, 3.5in HYB CARR

Hard Drives(4) 1.2TB 10K RPM SAS 12Gbps 512n 2.5in Hot-plug Hard Drive, 3.5in HYB CARR

Boot Optimized Storage CardsBOSS controller card + with 2 M.2 Sticks 240G (RAID 1),FH

Operating SystemWindows Server® 2019 Standard,16CORE,FI,No Med,No CAL, Multi Language

OS Media KitsWindows Server® 2019 Standard,16CORE,Media Kit, Multi Language

Client Access Licenses10-pack of Windows Server 2019/2016 User CALs (Standard or Datacenter)

Client Access Licenses5-pack of Windows Server 2019 Remote Desktop Services, User

Embedded Systems ManagementiDRAC9, Express

Group ManageriDRAC Group Manager, Disabled

PasswordiDRAC,Factory Generated Password

Additional Network CardsOn-Board Dual-Port 10GbE LOM

Internal Optical DriveNo Internal Optical Drive for x8/x18/x16 chassis

FansNo Additional Mid Fan for T640

Power SupplyDual, Hot-plug, Redundant Power Supply (1+1), 495W

Power Cords(2) NEMA 5-15P to C13 Wall Plug, 125 Volt, 15 AMP, 10 Feet (3m), Power Cord, North America

Power Cords(2) NEMA 5-15P to C13 Wall Plug, 125 Volt, 15 AMP, 10 Feet (3m), Power Cord, North America

BezelNo Bezel

Quick Sync 2 (Wireless At-the-box mgmt)No Quick Sync for Tower

BIOS and Advanced System Configuration SettingsPower Saving Dell Active Power Controller

Advanced System ConfigurationsUEFI BIOS Boot Mode with GPT Partition

Rack RailsNo Rack Rails, No Cable Management Arm, No Casters

System DocumentationNo Systems Documentation, No OpenManage DVD Kit

iDRAC Service ModuleiDRAC Server Manager Enabled

Dell Services: Hardware Support3 Years ProSupport with Next Business Day Onsite Service

Deployment ServicesNo Installation

Remote Consulting ServicesDeclined Remote Consulting Service

TOTAL:   $7,104.22

 

Total Price

Sub-total$7,104.22

Shipping & Handling$0.00

Tax *$621.61

Total Price1$7,725.83

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36 minutes ago, xendrome said:

Looks fine, but does it have iDrac Enterprise which gives you a ton of bare-metal features including VNC to the console outside the OS? See if you can get them to throw that in while retaining the same price.

I don't even know what that is. I've been building my own PC's for like 25 years, but my knowledge of servers is VERY basic.

 

EDIT: 

I just looked and it says iDRAC Service ModuleiDRAC Server Manager Enabled

 

Is that what you meant?

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1 minute ago, patseguin said:

I just looked and it says iDRAC Service ModuleiDRAC Server Manager Enabled

 

Is that what you meant?

He's referring to this:

Embedded Systems ManagementiDRAC9, Express

 

It's definitely worth upgrading that to iDRAC Enterprise. The enterprise license adds a number of features - most usefully the ability to use Remote Console, which allows you to access the server remotely via your web browser, saving you having to go on-site, into the server room, and plug in a screen and keyboard. If the server has an issue during boot up, so normal remote desktop is unavailable, you can use the remote console via iDRAC to access the machine as if you were sat in front of it with a monitor and keyboard - very handy for troubleshooting remotely.

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These would be considered production applications. Are you going to get more than one server? I would suggest getting three, running a hypervisor and doing a sql cluster for sure. Filemaker can be run in a cluster as well. Don't want downtime when you need to do updates/have issues. 

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4 minutes ago, Riva said:

Are you virtualising on the server?

I feel this config is an overkill for 5 workstatiosn/users unless the business is going to scale up greatly in the next 2-3 years

It would be best to come off the specs and get 2-3 servers and run hyper-v or they have the money, VMware. A single server, even running as a hyper visor is asking for trouble, especially hosting files on it. This needs to be architected completely different. 

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3 minutes ago, fusi0n said:

These would be considered production applications. Are you going to get more than one server? I would suggest getting three, running a hypervisor and doing a sql cluster for sure. Filemaker can be run in a cluster as well. Don't want downtime when you need to do updates/have issues. 

Actually, the modern way is to configure a Kubernetes Cluster.

 

That gives you modern "Cloud Native" architecture (which does NOT need a cloud, just the new server side standard for EVERYTHING) which gives built  in auto healing.

1 hour ago, patseguin said:

Hard Drives(4) 1.2TB 10K RPM SAS 12Gbps 512n 2.5in Hot-plug Hard Drive, 3.5in HYB CARR

Boot Optimized Storage CardsBOSS controller card + with 2 M.2 Sticks 240G (RAID 1),FH

 

The Database should be on a SSD ARRAY

 

The large drives should go into a backup cluster/container

 

1 hour ago, patseguin said:

ProcessorIntel® Xeon® Gold 5118 2.3G, 12C/24T, 10.4GT/s, 16.5M Cache, Turbo, HT (105W) DDR4-2400

 

Memory Capacity32GB RDIMM, 2666MT/s, Dual Rank

Some odd there

 

The LGA3647 mobo should have 6-way RAM

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6 minutes ago, DevTech said:

Actually, the modern way is to configure a Kubernetes Cluster.

 

That gives you modern "Cloud Native" architecture (which does NOT need a cloud, just the new server side standard for EVERYTHING) which gives built  in auto healing.

 

The Database should be on a SSD ARRAY

 

The large drives should go into a backup cluster/container

 

Some odd there

 

The LGA3647 mobo should have 6-way RAM

Yes, running on K8s would be best. 

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15 minutes ago, Riva said:

Are you virtualising on the server?

I feel this config is an overkill for 5 workstatiosn/users unless the business is going to scale up greatly in the next 2-3 years

That was my main concern. We are just a small business with 5 workstations. We may add a couple here and there if we hire additional employees but that's probably it.

 

It's going to run an SQL Express based database which hosts embroidery design files, a Filemaker Server database which runs Shopworks Onsite (our industry's order management software), and a simple embroidery machine networking application.

 

That's about all that our server does. We have a "shared company files" folder where I copy files that I want to keep and I also save AI artwork to a folder on it.

 

I don't think we remotely have a big operation to consider a cluster of servers or anything like that. Just a basic enough server to handle what our business needs.

 

Maybe I should start over with a more basic configuration?

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Riva said:

My take is:

2x hyper-v servers active/passive. Raid 10 100-200GB disks

NAS storage - as needed

 

In regards to capacity planning:

-Domain Controller: 2 cores, 4GB RAM, 60GB storage, 12GB swap file partition (if its just AD,DNS,DHCP)

-SQL: 4 cores, 8GB RAM, 80GB system, 26GB swap partition, x storage based on storage requirements + 2 years data growth

-File Server: 4 cores, 16GB RAM,  32GB swap partition, storage partition as needed

-Filemaker- i have no clue about requirements

 

 

 

Yes. that sounds good. Make sure you are running two AD servers though ;) Also, wouldn't hurt to leverage AzureAD. 

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i really think you guys are over compensating here. While it's not the optimal setup, the company surely doesnt have the funds to set up an entire domain and various extra servers. I feel his single server build is just fine for a whopping 5 employees.

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16 minutes ago, Jason S. said:

i really think you guys are over compensating here. While it's not the optimal setup, the company surely doesnt have the funds to set up an entire domain and various extra servers. I feel his single server build is just fine for a whopping 5 employees.

Not at all. You always need Business Continuity. While it is a small business, you should keep in mind the best needs for the business. Having a single point of failure is horrible. Just because it's small, doesn't mean to set it up incorrectly. I can build an entire environment with HA for under $7K. 

 

Grab 2-3 Used R710s 12 Core 64GB Ram for $250, Grab two QNAPs $500 ea, SSDs for the VMs and spin disk for files, and you're under $4K and it's a much better setup. 

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8 hours ago, patseguin said:

I don't think we remotely have a big operation to consider a cluster of servers or anything like that. Just a basic enough server to handle what our business needs.

 

Maybe I should start over with a more basic configuration?

 

8 hours ago, Jason S. said:

i really think you guys are over compensating here. While it's not the optimal setup, the company surely doesnt have the funds to set up an entire domain and various extra servers. I feel his single server build is just fine for a whopping 5 employees.

 

8 hours ago, Riva said:

I agree, I would actually suggest not running any infrastructure at all and getting Office 365 E3 instead. Obviously Filemaker will have to go but you have SharePoint for way better document storage, project management features, PowerApps for building apps, Flow for workflow, Exchange and Office clients included. Azure AD also included.

so assuming you have 5 users, $20x5 a month is peanuts. Just connect the 5 workstations to Azure AD and voila.

 

There is a difference between a large number of physical servers and a single machine with decent RAM to run a few VMs.

 

The main thing to consider is that the physical equipment selection is a provisioning thing and the purpose of each server either physical or a VM image is an ARCHITECTURE thing.

 

If you plan to grow/expand in the future then staring out with the right architecture means you just add stuff later instead of re-design stuff later. For better or for worse, HUMANITY has come together like some butterfly effect thing to land solidly on Kubernetes for server side ANYTHING. Anybody who is anybody in the computing industry is now a member of the Cloud Native Computing Foundation (Oracle was the last major player holdout) which specifies sometimes in a very specific way, more often in a general way the right way to do anything with servers and clouds:

 

 

EVERYTHING LIVES IN A CONTAINER. Containers are immutable so they can be constructed, torn down, restarted, moved anywhere in the physical clusters there is available RAM and CPU and all of the complex stuff is managed by Kubernetes.

 

So, you no longer think of servers and which server is doing what. It takes a bit to set it up right but then MAGIC HAPPENS. If you adapt to Kubernetes then you just add servers down the road and it handles what goes where, if you add cloud Kubernete servers, it adds them in. If you get an order for a million embroideries, Kubernetes fires up a million containers if you need it. Google is deploying billions of things on containers every day.

 

Back to earth, the minimum Kubernetes config is 3 servers. But you can go super-starter and run those 3 servers as VMs on a single server. (You can also replace those 3 server VMs with MINIKUBE, but I don't suggest that for any production usage) Again, the allocation unit is a Container, not a server. So adding servers just becomes a demand-load kind of thing. If you get a cloud contract, you can literally run embroidery on a million containers within minutes...

 

So that is just a rough sketch of server architecture. Your down to earth requirements don't need the equipment you selected and would actually make expanding harder in the future since you need more servers eventually so 3 cheap ones gets your Kubernetes minimum 3 server config  onto real hardware as a starting point a bit faster than a huge monlythic one right now.

 

You could dust off some old PCs that are new enough to run a Hypervisor (any old PC first gen i-Series or later) and then just boot to Kubernetes on Bare Metal.

 

You also just set up that minimum config in the Cloud, but even that's too much work because Cloud now offers directly hosted Kubernetes.

 

Azure Kubernetes Service (AKS)

https://azure.microsoft.com/en-ca/services/kubernetes-service/

 

Azure Kubernetes Service (AKS)

https://kubernetes.io/docs/setup/turnkey/azure/

 

Kubernetes on AWS

https://aws.amazon.com/kubernetes/

https://aws.amazon.com/eks/

 

Running Kubernetes on AWS EC2

https://kubernetes.io/docs/setup/turnkey/aws/

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Wow, am I ever getting lost. Can't I just buy a simple server with Windows Server 2019 on it and install everything I need to run on it? Our business runs on Shopworks Onsite which is a Windows based Filemaker database. I install FIlemaker Server on the server and then my 5 workstations connect to that. It also runs WIlcom Design Workflow which is an SQL Express based embroidery design database. Other than that, we just store files on it like AI files for artwork and backups of installers, etc. I don't think I need VM's, clusters, all that other stuff do I? I'm not even sure why VM's are even being mentioned. Don't you run a VM if you need to run another OS like Linux?

 

@DevTechwhat kind of scenario would I want to run VM's? I only have those couple of apps that need to run on the server and besides that, it just needs to store files. Are you saying that I would run a VM for each task that I need like a VM for a machine to run the FIlemaker Server app and database, a VM for the embroidery database, etc.? I'm not sure what the benefit to doing that is. PLus, wouldn't i need a license for each instance of WIndows Server 2019 I'm running? Right now I have an 11 year old (at least) Dell server with WIndows Server 2008, 4GB RAM, and 540GB of storage in RAID 5. After all this time it's only about 50% full and those low spec run my business. I wouldn't even be thinking about upgrading except I need to in order to run the new version of Filemaker for Shopworks.

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1 hour ago, patseguin said:

Wow, am I ever getting lost. Can't I just buy a simple server with Windows Server 2019 on it and install everything I need to run on it? Our business runs on Shopworks Onsite which is a Windows based Filemaker database. I install FIlemaker Server on the server and then my 5 workstations connect to that. It also runs WIlcom Design Workflow which is an SQL Express based embroidery design database. Other than that, we just store files on it like AI files for artwork and backups of installers, etc. I don't think I need VM's, clusters, all that other stuff do I? I'm not even sure why VM's are even being mentioned. Don't you run a VM if you need to run another OS like Linux?

 

@DevTechwhat kind of scenario would I want to run VM's? I only have those couple of apps that need to run on the server and besides that, it just needs to store files. Are you saying that I would run a VM for each task that I need like a VM for a machine to run the FIlemaker Server app and database, a VM for the embroidery database, etc.? I'm not sure what the benefit to doing that is. PLus, wouldn't i need a license for each instance of WIndows Server 2019 I'm running? Right now I have an 11 year old (at least) Dell server with WIndows Server 2008, 4GB RAM, and 540GB of storage in RAID 5. After all this time it's only about 50% full and those low spec run my business. I wouldn't even be thinking about upgrading except I need to in order to run the new version of Filemaker for Shopworks.

If you ask a question here, please take comfort that most times you will get professional answers with a decent amount of due diligence which actually continues to amaze me every so often when I step back for the "big picture"

 

In 2019, when you say the word "server" the Cloud Native Computing Foundation is the authentic prescriptive architecture for EVERYTHING.

 

A minimum config for a modern setup is 3 servers, probably one or two more when you take data persistence and backup into account.

 

The cheapest way to to make a "newbie starter" version of the correct architecture is to use VMs to emulate the physical servers you would buy if you could. It is a workable approach.

 

Also, the world has moved past VM's in the manner that you are thinking about them. They are just a holding pattern for Docker Containers. And yes a "proper" architecture has everything isolated into it's own container. You don't start an application, you start one or more containers as a "Pod" that can be replicated and multiplied as needed ad infinitum with the insanely complex management of the life cycle of these entities being managed by Kubernetes.

 

All of this information has been provided so that you can digest it, if you choose, and incorporate current server architecture standards into your planning.

 

Of course you don't have to do that and can focus on a "retro" type setup which as you point out will meet your needs as a small shop. To that extent I have already pointed out the anomalies that I noticed in your server configuration and I think I was complete in that review but just in case I missed anything, I'll look at your config again...

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On 6/7/2019 at 7:40 AM, patseguin said:

  SYSTEM COMPONENTS

 

PowerEdge T640 Tower ServerQty  1

PowerEdge T640Unit Price$7,104.22

Estimated Delivery:1/1/0001 12:00:00 AM-6/21/2019 5:00:00 AM

Catalog Number: 4 PE_T640_12442C

 Module DescriptionShow Details

Trusted Platform ModuleNo Trusted Platform Module

Chassis ConfigurationChassis with up to 8" x 3.5 SAS/SATA Hard Drives, Tower Configuration

ProcessorIntel® Xeon® Gold 5118 2.3G, 12C/24T, 10.4GT/s, 16.5M Cache, Turbo, HT (105W) DDR4-2400

Additional ProcessorNo Additional Processor

Processor Thermal ConfigurationStandard HS for Less = 150W

Memory DIMM Type and Speed2666MT/s RDIMMs

Memory Configuration TypePerformance Optimized

Memory Capacity32GB RDIMM, 2666MT/s, Dual Rank

RAID ConfigurationC5, RAID 10 for HDDs or SSDs in pairs (Matching Type/Speed/Capacity)

RAID/Internal Storage ControllersPERC H330 RAID Controller

Hard Drives(4) 1.2TB 10K RPM SAS 12Gbps 512n 2.5in Hot-plug Hard Drive, 3.5in HYB CARR

Hard Drives(4) 1.2TB 10K RPM SAS 12Gbps 512n 2.5in Hot-plug Hard Drive, 3.5in HYB CARR

Hard Drives(4) 1.2TB 10K RPM SAS 12Gbps 512n 2.5in Hot-plug Hard Drive, 3.5in HYB CARR

Hard Drives(4) 1.2TB 10K RPM SAS 12Gbps 512n 2.5in Hot-plug Hard Drive, 3.5in HYB CARR

Boot Optimized Storage CardsBOSS controller card + with 2 M.2 Sticks 240G (RAID 1),FH

Operating SystemWindows Server® 2019 Standard,16CORE,FI,No Med,No CAL, Multi Language

OS Media KitsWindows Server® 2019 Standard,16CORE,Media Kit, Multi Language

Client Access Licenses10-pack of Windows Server 2019/2016 User CALs (Standard or Datacenter)

Client Access Licenses5-pack of Windows Server 2019 Remote Desktop Services, User

Embedded Systems ManagementiDRAC9, Express

Group ManageriDRAC Group Manager, Disabled

PasswordiDRAC,Factory Generated Password

Additional Network CardsOn-Board Dual-Port 10GbE LOM

Internal Optical DriveNo Internal Optical Drive for x8/x18/x16 chassis

FansNo Additional Mid Fan for T640

Power SupplyDual, Hot-plug, Redundant Power Supply (1+1), 495W

Power Cords(2) NEMA 5-15P to C13 Wall Plug, 125 Volt, 15 AMP, 10 Feet (3m), Power Cord, North America

Power Cords(2) NEMA 5-15P to C13 Wall Plug, 125 Volt, 15 AMP, 10 Feet (3m), Power Cord, North America

BezelNo Bezel

Quick Sync 2 (Wireless At-the-box mgmt)No Quick Sync for Tower

BIOS and Advanced System Configuration SettingsPower Saving Dell Active Power Controller

Advanced System ConfigurationsUEFI BIOS Boot Mode with GPT Partition

Rack RailsNo Rack Rails, No Cable Management Arm, No Casters

System DocumentationNo Systems Documentation, No OpenManage DVD Kit

iDRAC Service ModuleiDRAC Server Manager Enabled

Dell Services: Hardware Support3 Years ProSupport with Next Business Day Onsite Service

Deployment ServicesNo Installation

Remote Consulting ServicesDeclined Remote Consulting Service

TOTAL:   $7,104.22

 

Total Price

Sub-total$7,104.22

Shipping & Handling$0.00

Tax *$621.61

Total Price1$7,725.83

 

On 6/7/2019 at 9:26 AM, DevTech said:
On 6/7/2019 at 7:40 AM, patseguin said:

Hard Drives(4) 1.2TB 10K RPM SAS 12Gbps 512n 2.5in Hot-plug Hard Drive, 3.5in HYB CARR

Boot Optimized Storage CardsBOSS controller card + with 2 M.2 Sticks 240G (RAID 1),FH

 

The Database should be on a SSD ARRAY

 

The large drives should go into a backup cluster/container

 

On 6/7/2019 at 7:40 AM, patseguin said:

ProcessorIntel® Xeon® Gold 5118 2.3G, 12C/24T, 10.4GT/s, 16.5M Cache, Turbo, HT (105W) DDR4-2400

 

Memory Capacity32GB RDIMM, 2666MT/s, Dual Rank

Some odd there

 

The LGA3647 mobo should have 6-way RAM

 

2 hours ago, patseguin said:

Our business runs on Shopworks Onsite which is a Windows based Filemaker database. I install FIlemaker Server on the server and then my 5 workstations connect to that. It also runs WIlcom Design Workflow which is an SQL Express based embroidery design database. Other than that, we just store files on it like AI files for artwork and backups of installers, etc

 

2 hours ago, patseguin said:

Right now I have an 11 year old (at least) Dell server with WIndows Server 2008, 4GB RAM, and 540GB of storage in RAID 5. After all this time it's only about 50% full and those low spec run my business. I wouldn't even be thinking about upgrading except I need to in order to run the new version of Filemaker for Shopworks.

==========================================

 

I've pasted in the "bare facts". My apologies for also not taking the time to paste in the other suggestions, but I'm tight for time today.

 

==========================================

 

#1 - you can run the whole show on a modern laptop and comfortably exceed your original server. By using a laptop, you can easily move shop to an island with palm trees anytime you feel like it. I think I'm joking here, but hmmm....

 

#2 - #1 is saying anything modern will do the job so anything over and above that is just Optimizing to Get The Best Value

 

#3 - A Xeon CPU really just has a nicer "server bulged out fat cache" to achieve good throughput performance in FULL LOAD conditions which you are far from having so an i7 or i9 CPU if cheaper will do just as good.

 

#4 - If you go with a modern LGA 3647 socket based Xeon then why not specify a mobo with a spare CPU socket, but above all the MAIN FEATURE of the new platform which is 6 WAY RAM

 

#5 - the hard drive config is just a bit too "old school" - the M.2 NVMe (if it is NVMe) is WASTED on booting for server which never needs to boot... 

 

#5 A) use a RAID-1 SATA array with SSD 2 TB for boot and misc installs (Samsung 860 Pro or enterprise equivalent at least as good which is hard to find)

 

#5 B) use 2 M.2 NVMe slots for 4 TB Samsung 970 Pro (or better if you can find that) in RAID-1 for most everything and perfect for DB - A RAID-1 Samsung 970 is going to BLOW AWAY the performance of those old school spinning stupidities...

 

#5 C) use a RAID-1 modern spinning drive for general storage and backup using just the new 12 TB and 14 TB drives like WD Gold for which you just ignore whether you need the size or not and focus in a new reliability level being achieved in those state-of-the-art platters.

 

#5 D) I don't have time to check right now, but an enterprise mobo with enough PCIe lanes to support 8 or more M.2 NVMe sockets would make so much more sense these days...

 

EDIT: I was sort of following the posted config a bit but for your needs the ONLY HD you need in the box is that RAID-1 4 TB Samsung 970 Pro, since that drive is so blazingly fast it won't conflict at all to multi-purpose it a bit :)

 

EDIT: for spinning platter backup you could also consider replacing internal drives with 2 USB 3.0 2.5 inch portable externals one of which you can move back and forth off site. Double-Backup will ALWAYS beat out RAID-1 for reliability

 

 

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18 minutes ago, DevTech said:

I've pasted in the "bare facts". My apologies for also not taking the time to paste in the other suggestions, but I'm tight for time today.

You're tight on time but you wrote THAT? That's kinda hard to do. :laugh:

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17 minutes ago, DevTech said:

 

 

 

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I've pasted in the "bare facts". My apologies for also not taking the time to paste in the other suggestions, but I'm tight for time today.

 

==========================================

 

#1 - you can run the whole show on a modern laptop and comfortably exceed your original server. By using a laptop, you can easily move shop to an island with palm trees anytime you feel like it. I think I'm joking here, but hmmm....

 

#2 - #1 is saying anything modern will do the job so anything over and above that is just Optimizing to Get The Best Value

 

#3 - A Xeon CPU really just has a nicer "server bulged out fat cache" to achieve good throughput performance in FULL LOAD conditions which you are far from having so an i7 or i9 CPU if cheaper will do just as good.

 

#4 - If you go with a modern LGA 3647 socket based Xeon then why not specify a mobo with a spare CPU socket, but above all the MAIN FEATURE of the new platform which is 6 WAY RAM

 

#5 - the hard drive config is just a bit too "old school" - the M.2 NVMe (if it is NVMe) is WASTED on booting for server which never needs to boot... 

 

#5 A) use a RAID-1 SATA array with SSD 2 TB for boot and misc installs (Samsung 860 Pro or enterprise equivalent at least as good which is hard to find)

 

#5 B) use 2 M.2 NVMe slots for 4 TB Samsung 970 Pro (or better if you can find that) in RAID-1 for most everything and perfect for DB - A RAID-1 Samsung 970 is going to BLOW AWAY the performance of those old school spinning stupidities...

 

#5 C) use a RAID-1 modern spinning drive for general storage and backup using just the new 12 TB and 14 TB drives like WD Gold for which you just ignore whether you need the size or not and focus in a new reliability level being achieved in those state-of-the-art platters.

 

#5 D) I don't have time to check right now, but an enterprise mobo with enough PCIe lanes to support 8 or more M.2 NVMe sockets would make so much more sense these days...

 

 

I think some of that may be addressed in a new quote they gave me with a different chassis and with iDRAC Enterprise. She said she configured an extra CPU as well.

 

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I think some of that may be addressed in a new quote they gave me with a different chassis and with iDRAC Enterprise. She said she configured an extra CPU as well.

I'll review in 10 mins but I think all my concerns are still there in almost identical (in terms of issues) 2nd config

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15 minutes ago, DevTech said:

I'll review in 10 mins but I think all my concerns are still there in almost identical (in terms of issues) 2nd config

Hmm, your main issue seemed to be with storage. They did configure it with SSD for the OS and SAS x4 in RAID 10. I've been running my current server for like 11-12 years without a drive failure or performance issue. Unless SSD's don't skyrocket my price, I'd probably stay with SAS for storage.

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If you are happy with the last one, pull the trigger.  

 

It will be more than what you can handle....and dev's information is more info than even I can wrap my head around....he is certainly into the weeds.  

 

Enterprise drac will negate the need of having a kvm....you can remote into the system with the drac ip address if your domain controller goes down and loose internal dns.  You will be allowed to easily perform reboot functions or power on functions so long as you have access to the network (vpn).  

 

Everything else, just make sure you have the storage you need (I recommend raid 6 due to having the ability for 2 drives to fail) or 50 or 60.  I would also recommend you have at least 16GB of memory, more if you plan on adding in virtualization.  

 

I personally would be looking at a vtrx system with vmware, and datacenter licensing.  It will be more money but it will be more power and redundancy and allow you to grow as needed.  upgrade/add compute power as needed.

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9 minutes ago, patseguin said:

Hmm, your main issue seemed to be with storage. They did configure it with SSD for the OS and SAS x4 in RAID 10. I've been running my current server for like 11-12 years without a drive failure or performance issue. Unless SSD's don't skyrocket my price, I'd probably stay with SAS for storage.

I'm trying to understand your objectives in terms of how they translate into a technical requirement.

 

#1 - you don't really need to upgrade for any performance reason

 

#2 - so, you need to upgrade, yet instead of lookiing at 2019, you config a pumped up 2008 type system that improves on nothing at all (that you need) for this effort

 

#3 - the only thing that could help you in a way your needs might get a shot in the arm is the STORAGE which is why I focus on it!

 

#4 - i will check and see what Dell has available

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8 minutes ago, sc302 said:

he is certainly into the weeds

Weeds?

 

Server == CNCF at this point - every Industry Giant has signed on to it.

 

Minimum Kube config is 3 active servers, 1 for control, 1 for etcd, 1 for PODS... up to 1,000 for PODS before adding more cluster controllers.

 

Proper advice given.

 

Now he actually wants "Mom & Pop File Server with a FileMaker DB gravy on the side"

 

So, 1 low end PC with nice FAST storage for the DB does that trick.

 

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No mobile Surveillance app TerraMaster still doesn't have a dedicated Surveillance app, although from searching online, Surveillance can be used and managed through the TNAS mobile app. I tried this with the updated TNAS mobile app beta in combination with TOS 7 and got a message that Surveillance was "Only accessible through web browser," so I reckon this must be limited to the stable versions of TOS 6 and the mobile app. More quirks In addition, whenever I minimized the Live View window in the browser Surveillance app, the feed appeared to switch to the Low-bandwidth stream, and there was no way to get the High-quality stream back. To get the High-quality stream back, I had to close Live View and then reopen it. Benchmarking A pretty cool feature of the TOS 7 is that it allows you to install directly to the NVMe M.2 SSD. In order to do that, you would have to leave out any HDDs during initialization, and even then, the system partitions are always written to two HDDs when they are eventually added. With three NVMe slots, this also gives an interesting scenario where you could build a TRAID storage Pool for installing all your apps and Docker on, and keep the third for SSD cache on the HDD pool. Limitless options! SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 A CrystalDiskMark test on a mapped network drive from within a Windows 11 25H2 PC (image above) connected over a 5 GbE hub was well within acceptable ranges. Although the read result on SATA was a little less than with the F4-425 Plus, for some reason, while writes were generally better. SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 I also ran the NAS Performance tester, which tests the link speed performance. As you can see, it pretty much maxes out the 5GbE connection. Of course, you can also opt to bond the two 5 GbE connections for a bit more umph, but I didn't do that. TOS 7, which, as of testing, is still in Beta, comes with an App Center that has a bunch of handy programs you can install right off the bat, such as Emby, Plex, Docker, as well as in-house Backup and Surveillance solutions. As you can imagine, any media streaming services you would want to host off the F4-425 Pro will work great, thanks to the Intel Core N350 CPU and its 16 GB of DDR5 memory. Accessing from mobile is only possible if Security Isolation Mode is disabled, which can put your NAS at risk from external sources, so there was no way to access it from the TNAS Mobile app. It's also quiet. I had this sat next to my computer on my work desk for the past week, and I did wonder if the noise I was accustomed to with NAS devices would annoy me, but all I could hear was a soft whirring of the rear fan (which was a little annoying) when the disks were not actively copying or reading data. Conclusion So what have I learned? Unfortunately, this release raises a few important questions and concerns that I feel haven't been adequately addressed. What I didn't like Our variant shipped with TOS 7 beta, and it's advised not to use it in a production environment. I feel that's a bit limiting on an $800 device. The mobile app is also still in beta and does not support some of the first-party apps, like Surveillance, and it still has quite a few bugs. I am a bit confused about the OpenClaw marketing along with the F4-425 Pro. I feel like that if it's going to be a main selling point, then offer official guidance on how to get started with it. TerraMaster recommends enabling SPC, but then markets the NAS for use with OpenClaw, which requires disabling SPC to be able to use it, opening up genuine security concerns for the NAS; and that's before you get into the security concerns of OpenClaw itself. Of course, the above issues won't be a problem if you decide to install something else on it, or even go back to the stable TOS 6. I wish TerraMaster had just given TOS 7 as opt-in rather than shipping with it. TOS 7 has been available as a preview since December 2025 (so well before my last TerraMaster review), and according to a thread on Reddit where a user shared a screenshot from the TerraMaster Facebook page, it is scheduled to launch today, June 23, but there's nothing about that in the TerraMaster news blog. My contact confirmed over email that TOS 7 exits beta today. The rubber feet also deserve a mention as they continue to be a problem, with them coming unstuck the moment you shift the F4-425 Pro anywhere on your desk. What I liked What it comes down to, though, aside from what I already mentioned, you are still getting a quality, affordable device here, so recommending it will depend on the individual's use case. If you're just looking for a relatively small NAS device to manage virtual machines on, backup your files, and take care of your home theater streaming, then it is a great device that will certainly futureproof you for some time. It provides good performance, takes up little space, and is, on the whole, very quiet. Four bays afford proper redundancy using TRAID or RAID 5, and you can even expand on storage capacity by adding the 2-bay D5, or 4-bay D8 Hybrid DAS over a USB 3.2 (10Gbps) link. Considering the 2024 releases were more about power, with the likes of an Intel Core i5-1235U high-end laptop CPU under the hood, I asked my contact last time if we could expect more of the same in higher-end models and was told: It makes a lot of sense to use Intel's N350 chip inside a NAS; it is more than capable of doing what the F4-425 Pro is intended for, media streaming and backup. The only downside is still the clear lack of community and even staff support on the official forums. In the past, I have had topics go unanswered for days, or there would be generic-type "we've noted this and passed it onto our developer team" type responses. Along with the other things I mentioned, it all ends up costing it a couple of points. If you are comfortable with the command line, Docker, and setting up TrueNAS or Unraid, you'll be fine. You can do great things with this hardware. In TOS, the apps are a bit lacking, and things don't always work as expected.\ AI NAS?! What has become clear to me this year is that we are going to start seeing all kinds of "AI NAS" come to market, and while that might be good for us consumers, be diligent and research these claims. Although the F4-425 Pro technically comes with AI, it is really using a cloud service that is externally sourced off-device through the third party OpenClaw app. My colleague did review a newcomer to the NAS space earlier this year, and it includes a local AI assistant inside the Zettlab D4 NAS, and they do not even use AI in the product name, check out Chris' review here. Where to buy and a discount coupon However, it does not change the fact that this is truly a great entry-level home media-class NAS that you can buy right now. TerraMaster is having a 20% off launch discount, plus you can also still apply our unique 10% off coupon on checkout, which only works on the official website. So here is a breakdown of the pricing that is only valid on the official TerraMaster website. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $575.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $503.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £525.59 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £460.79 Use NEOWIN coupon code during checkout for 10% discount Over on Amazon US and UK, the F4-425 Pro also gets a 20% launch discount, but here, the above 10% coupon cannot be applied. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for $639.99 at Amazon US (was $799.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for $559.99 at Amazon US (was $699.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for £583.99 at Amazon UK (was £729.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for £511.99 at Amazon UK (was £639.99) As an Amazon Associate, when you purchase through links on our site, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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