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sc302    1,735

I was able to get a raid 6 config...not under 5 but at 6100....

 

take a look, again you will have to build and check with your rep to get pricing better.  

 

Manufacturer "laziness" aside, a current setup regardless of how "old" it is will be supported by the manufacturer for the warranty time specified 3 years, 5years, etc and can be extended beyond that in almost every case.  So squeezing every bit of current technology performance isn't something that I worry about as much as having a business continue to run for the time frame a warranty can be bought for.  Essentially if you aren't going to offer up support for the system, don't suggest something outside of what can be offered.  I can build a crazy fast system, as good or better than you possibly could....I won't support him when it fails and I do expect some hardware to fail at some point whether there be environmental damage outside of our control (flooded office, lightening hit, etc) and I won't be a phone call away with parts on standby ready to ship nor will I be a one stop shop for all of his problems in relation to this server purchase.

 

 

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DevTech    1,517

Dell Config DevTech-2

 

$5,884

 

  • So, Precision same as server = really fight with the bewildering config
  • CPU is 10 cores
  • Empty 2nd CPU socket for upgrade
  • 48 gigs is the smallest RAM which gives you the PROPER 6-way RAM for modern Xeon in LGA 3647 sockets - this can be downgraded if 2 way RAM in a 6-way socket system won't wake you screaming most nights "What have I done?" Note: all configs so far to patseguin have NOT been 6-way RAM
  • I suspect that some people holding out for RETRO SPINNING THINGS are attracted to those cute looking levers on the front where you can pull out a drive so in this config we give you cute little levers on the front to pull out NVMe drives!
  • If you want the server O/S then Dell Rep needed to change that
  • Selected lowest NVIDIA card - Dell rep can probably downgrade but stay with NVIDIA
  • I forgot to add a spinning backup drive but there is 9 more slots to stuff in just about anything
  • I added Thunderbolt 3 to ALL configs so far to permit super easy to add external fast drives down the road.

 

 

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/desktop-and-all-in-one-pcs/precision-7920-tower/spd/precision-7920-workstation/xctopt7920us

 

  • Precision 7920 Tower Chassis (BC_PCIe)
  • Intel Xeon Silver 4114 2.2GHz, 3.0GHz Turbo, 10C, 9.6GT/s 2UPI, 14MB Cache, HT (85W) DDR4-2400
  • Windows 10 Pro for Workstations (4 Cores Plus) Multi - English, French, Spanish
  • Quadro P620, 2GB, 4 mDP to DP adapter (PWS 5820,7x20T)
  • 48GB 6x8GB DDR4 2666MHz RDIMM ECC
  • Intel NVMe PCIe SSD (Front PCIe FlexBay)
  • Intel Integrated controller (RST-e) with 1-2 Front FlexBay NVMe Drives
  • M.2 2TB PCIe NVMe Class 40 Solid State Drive
  • M.2 2TB PCIe NVMe Class 40 Solid State Drive
  • Thunderbolt 3 PCIe card - 2 Type C Ports, 1 DP in
  • 3 Years Hardware Warranty with Onsite

 

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sc302    1,735

essentially a precision desktop is a server...and usually gets overlooked as being one.

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DevTech    1,517

I have to run out for 8 hours or so...

 

So the daunting task of poking through various Dell server configs will have to get completed after that.

 

Currently, we are both looking into 100% Dell configs per @patseguincurrent focus.

 

 

EDIT: in a hurry to leave, this post came across stupidly nasty - I removed that 

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DevTech    1,517
5 minutes ago, sc302 said:

essentially a precision desktop is a server...and usually gets overlooked as being one.

Well for a server config, the GPU is like a "special Tax" but on the other hand, so far the prices seem a shade lower than full server, and the selection of quality options better, along with more advanced hardware like those "Hot Swap" NVMe plug-ins

 

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patseguin    1,315

OK thanks for everyone taking so much time to help me. Here is a configuration my Dell rep just did for me. Looks like she added support, 2x 300GB hybrid drive in RAID1 for OS/Boot.

 

Is Server 2019 Essentials a better solution for me that Server Standard?

 

You guys like this knowing what you know about my company now?

 

PowerEdge T340 Server 210-AQSN - 1 -
No Trusted Platform Module 461-AADZ - 1 -
3.5" Chassis up to 8 Hot Plug Hard Drives 321-BDVX - 1 -
PowerEdge T340 Shipping 340-CHHS - 1 -
Intel Xeon E-2134 3.5GHz, 8M cache, 4C/8T, turbo (71W) 338-BQBG - 1 -
Standard Heatsink for PE T330/T340 412-AAHC - 1 -
2666MT/s UDIMMs 370-AEKM - 1 -
Performance Optimized 370-AAIP - 1 -
RAID 0 780-BCDL - 1 -
PERC H730P RAID Controller, 2GB NV Cache, Adapter, Full Height 405-AAMR - 1 -
On-Board LOM 542-BBBP - 1 -
iDRAC9,Enterprise 385-BBKT - 1 -
DVD +/-RW, SATA, Internal 429-ABCJ - 1 -
Casters 770-BCJL - 1 -
Security Bezel 325-BCOO - 1 -
Performance BIOS Settings 384-BBBL - 1 -
Dual, Hot-plug, Redundant Power Supply 1+1, 495W 450-AHVO - 1 -
No Systems Documentation, No OpenManage DVD Kit 631-AACK - 1 -
Windows Server 2019 Essentials,FI,No Med,No CAL, Multi Language 634-BSFC - 1 -
Windows Server 2019 Essentials,Media Kit, Multi Language 634-BSGH - 1 -
Windows Server 2019 Essentials,No Media,WS2016 ESS Downgrade
Media, Multi Language
634-BSGM - 1 -
Bring Your Own VSAN Licenses 634-BHWE - 1 -
UEFI BIOS Boot Mode with GPT Partition 800-BBDM - 1 -
US Order 332-1286 - 1 -
PowerEdge T340 Motherboard 329-BDWZ - 1 -
PowerEdge T340 Shipping Material 343-BBLM - 1 -
iDRAC Group Manager, Enabled 379-BCQV - 1 -
Page 3
Dell inc. U.S. only. Dell inc. is located at One Dell Way, Mail Stop 8129, Round Rock, TX 78682
iDRAC,Factory Generated Password 379-BCSF - 1 -
Basic Next Business Day 12 Months 709-BBFB - 1 -
ProSupport Next Business Day Onsite Service Initial, 12 Month(s) 865-BBKQ - 1 -
ProSupport Next Business Day Onsite Service Extension, 48 Month(s) 865-BBKR - 1 -
On-Site Installation Declined 900-9997 - 1 -
iDRAC Service Module (ISM), Pre-Installed in OS 379-BCQW - 1 -
16GB 2666MT/s DDR4 ECC UDIMM 370-AEKL - 1 -
300GB 15K RPM SAS 12Gbps 512n 2.5in Hot-plug Hard Drive, 3.5in
HYB CARR
400-APSP - 2 -
4TB 7.2K RPM NLSAS 12Gbps 512n 3.5in Hot-plug Hard Drive 400-ASNK - 3 -
NEMA 5-15P to C13 Wall Plug, 125 Volt, 15 AMP, 10 Feet (3m), Power
Cord, North America
450-AALV - 2 -
10-pack of Windows Server 2019/2016 User CALs (Standard or
Datacenter)
634-BSFS - 1 -
ENT CONFIG SVCS,FEE, RAID 1 SINGLE CONTAINER ON 2HDD 366-0227 - 1 -
ENT CONFIG SVCS,FEE, RAID 5 SINGLE CONTAINER ON 3HDD 366-0230 - 1 -
Subtotal:
Shipping:
Estimated Tax:
Total:
$4,434.69
$0.00
$388.04
$4,822.73

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patseguin    1,315
3 hours ago, sc302 said:

I was able to get a raid 6 config...not under 5 but at 6100....

 

take a look, again you will have to build and check with your rep to get pricing better.  

 

Manufacturer "laziness" aside, a current setup regardless of how "old" it is will be supported by the manufacturer for the warranty time specified 3 years, 5years, etc and can be extended beyond that in almost every case.  So squeezing every bit of current technology performance isn't something that I worry about as much as having a business continue to run for the time frame a warranty can be bought for.  Essentially if you aren't going to offer up support for the system, don't suggest something outside of what can be offered.  I can build a crazy fast system, as good or better than you possibly could....I won't support him when it fails and I do expect some hardware to fail at some point whether there be environmental damage outside of our control (flooded office, lightening hit, etc) and I won't be a phone call away with parts on standby ready to ship nor will I be a one stop shop for all of his problems in relation to this server purchase.

 

 

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How do you think your build is vs the one I just posted. Yours is about $1,200 more, which I'm fully willing to pay as long as it makes sense. DO you think RAID6 is a huge step better than RAID5?

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Mindovermaster    2,169
2 minutes ago, patseguin said:

How do you think your build is vs the one I just posted. Yours is about $1,200 more, which I'm fully willing to pay as long as it makes sense. DO you think RAID6 is a huge step better than RAID5?

With RAID5 you only have room for 1 fail drive. I RAID6, you have 2...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID

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sc302    1,735
26 minutes ago, patseguin said:

How do you think your build is vs the one I just posted. Yours is about $1,200 more, which I'm fully willing to pay as long as it makes sense. DO you think RAID6 is a huge step better than RAID5?

I think raid 6 is better in the fact that you can have 2 drive failures...I think it is worse because there is an extra drive where you can't utilize the disk space from.  Performance wise it is about the same.  The issue with raid 5 is if you lose a second drive (not uncommon) in the time that it takes you to replace and have the array rebuild properly, the entire raid is toast.  In a raid 0/jobd, if you lose 1 drive your array is toast.  Raid 1, if you lose one drive you have a 50/50 chance of the server crashing but the second drive is still good usually but if you don't have a replacement or the raid fails during rebuild the array is toast.   Raid 6, if you lose a drive and it rebuilds, a second drive can fail at any point and you would still be ok.  The chances of losing 3 drives is much smaller than losing 1 or 2 drives causing your array to be toast.  During rebuild, your drives are working hard to synchronize all data across the platters.  So I do think raid 6 is worth it, though more expensive than raid 5 being that you lose 2 disks vs 1 disk to maintain the raid requirements.  A lot of people utilized raid 5 with a hot spare to fail over to, but were experiencing failures during the rebuild due to how taxing it is on the drives, and it is a hot spare...that drive is always spinning just like the rest of the drives and is prone to failure as much as the rest of the drives.  

 

Higher level raids above 0 are insurance...hope you never need to utilize but if you do you know you are protected to a degree.  A lot of servers, I would do a raid 1 OS and a raid 5 or 6 data.  The data was always more important than the system as the data cannot be reproduced if lost, the system can be recreated and repointed to the data if needed.  

 

I think essentials would be fine for you.  I personally don't like all of the added functions that get added with essentials, but looking at it, it certainly is much less than the old small business server (sql and exchange were both part of sbs and could not be fully disabled or uninstalled, no matter how hard I tried) in regards to being a resource hog.  

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patseguin    1,315
38 minutes ago, sc302 said:

I think raid 6 is better in the fact that you can have 2 drive failures...I think it is worse because there is an extra drive where you can't utilize the disk space from.  Performance wise it is about the same.  The issue with raid 5 is if you lose a second drive (not uncommon) in the time that it takes you to replace and have the array rebuild properly, the entire raid is toast.  In a raid 0/jobd, if you lose 1 drive your array is toast.  Raid 1, if you lose one drive you have a 50/50 chance of the server crashing but the second drive is still good usually but if you don't have a replacement or the raid fails during rebuild the array is toast.   Raid 6, if you lose a drive and it rebuilds, a second drive can fail at any point and you would still be ok.  The chances of losing 3 drives is much smaller than losing 1 or 2 drives causing your array to be toast.  During rebuild, your drives are working hard to synchronize all data across the platters.  So I do think raid 6 is worth it, though more expensive than raid 5 being that you lose 2 disks vs 1 disk to maintain the raid requirements.  A lot of people utilized raid 5 with a hot spare to fail over to, but were experiencing failures during the rebuild due to how taxing it is on the drives, and it is a hot spare...that drive is always spinning just like the rest of the drives and is prone to failure as much as the rest of the drives.  

 

Higher level raids above 0 are insurance...hope you never need to utilize but if you do you know you are protected to a degree.  A lot of servers, I would do a raid 1 OS and a raid 5 or 6 data.  The data was always more important than the system as the data cannot be reproduced if lost, the system can be recreated and repointed to the data if needed.  

 

I think essentials would be fine for you.  I personally don't like all of the added functions that get added with essentials, but looking at it, it certainly is much less than the old small business server (sql and exchange were both part of sbs and could not be fully disabled or uninstalled, no matter how hard I tried) in regards to being a resource hog.  

Thanks, so in your build you did 4x 2TB drive in RAID6. How much usable space is that?

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sc302    1,735

Simple. Raid 6 two drives are essentially dead and cannot be considered as part of the space equasion.... 4 drives minus 2 drives equals 2 drives worth of space. 

 

2x2=4tb. 

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+Fahim S.    1,086
6 hours ago, patseguin said:

Also, does Windows Server Essentials sound appropriate for me as opposed to Server Standard?

Not if you are running FileMaker Server...

https://www.filemaker.com/products/filemaker-server/18-technical-specifications.html

 

 

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+Fahim S.    1,086
Just now, sc302 said:

Good looking out.  Though you would think it would be supported.  Perhaps a phone call to verify is in order.  

Lots of forum posts on it.  Apparently the issue is that it works on the same ports as a number of the services that makes Essentials easy to manage - and disabling them is a pain.

It's not supported (even if you could do it), and if it goes wrong, they won't help you.... if you are hellbent on making a super reliable server, why would you run your application on an unsupported configuration?

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sc302    1,735

I didn’t see anything blatantly obvious with the enabled options in essentials that would cause an issue but then again the last time I touched FileMaker was in 2012.  I fully agree with you.  I always like to double check with the vendor in cases like this, where it seems feasible. Not supported for good reason should be a show stopper. Not supported because they didn’t think to include it is a separate issue altogether.  

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patseguin    1,315
2 hours ago, Fahim S. said:

Lots of forum posts on it.  Apparently the issue is that it works on the same ports as a number of the services that makes Essentials easy to manage - and disabling them is a pain.

It's not supported (even if you could do it), and if it goes wrong, they won't help you.... if you are hellbent on making a super reliable server, why would you run your application on an unsupported configuration?

Thanks! I guess I should forget essentials and just get standard.

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DevTech    1,517

RAID-5 should never be used for a Database. EVER. Depending on the actual hardware it goes from really bad to super-horrid on write speeds.

 

And if you are crazy enough to use slow spinning disks instead of SSD, then you are taking bad stuff and just intentionally making it worse.

 

You will find NO reputable source to support the idea of RAID-5 for a Database.

 

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DevTech    1,517
7 hours ago, patseguin said:

OK thanks for everyone taking so much time to help me. Here is a configuration my Dell rep just did for me. Looks like she added support, 2x 300GB hybrid drive in RAID1 for OS/Boot.

 

Is Server 2019 Essentials a better solution for me that Server Standard?

 

You guys like this knowing what you know about my company now?

 

PowerEdge T340 Server 210-AQSN - 1 -
3.5" Chassis up to 8 Hot Plug Hard Drives 321-BDVX - 1 -
PowerEdge T340 Shipping 340-CHHS - 1 -
Intel Xeon E-2134 3.5GHz, 8M cache, 4C/8T, turbo (71W) 338-BQBG - 1 -
RAID 0 780-BCDL - 1 -
PERC H730P RAID Controller, 2GB NV Cache, Adapter, Full Height 405-AAMR - 1 -
DVD +/-RW, SATA, Internal 429-ABCJ - 1 -
Windows Server 2019 Essentials,FI,No Med,No CAL, Multi Language 634-BSFC - 1 -
Windows Server 2019 Essentials,Media Kit, Multi Language 634-BSGH - 1 -
Windows Server 2019 Essentials,No Media,WS2016 ESS Downgrade
ProSupport Next Business Day Onsite Service Initial, 12 Month(s) 865-BBKQ - 1 -
ProSupport Next Business Day Onsite Service Extension, 48 Month(s) 865-BBKR - 1 -
16GB 2666MT/s DDR4 ECC UDIMM 370-AEKL - 1 -
300GB 15K RPM SAS 12Gbps 512n 2.5in Hot-plug Hard Drive, 3.5in
HYB CARR
400-APSP - 2 -
4TB 7.2K RPM NLSAS 12Gbps 512n 3.5in Hot-plug Hard Drive 400-ASNK - 3 -
450-AALV - 2 -
10-pack of Windows Server 2019/2016 User CALs (Standard or
Datacenter)
Total:
$4,434.69
$0.00
$388.04
$4,822.73

So far, by a long shot that Dell Precision 7920 looks like a finely crafted piece of engineering.

 

If it is the  money difference, it can be configured with the low RAM and low CPU as the PowerEdge T340

 

And all the spinning stuff is nuts. Think about it - you are taking less reliable storage and in order to compensate for that you are adding to the noisy spinning mess with extra drives!

 

I'll see if I can find something quality in the Dell server section. Maybe one of the engineers on the Precision team transferred over somewhere...

 

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DevTech    1,517

Dell Config DevTech-3

 

$4837

 

PowerEdge T640 Tower Server

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/pdr/poweredge-t640/pe_t640_12442b_vi_vp?selectionState=eyJPQyI6InBlX3Q2NDBfMTI0NDJiX3ZpX3ZwIiwiTW9kcyI6W3siSWQiOjE1MzQsIk9wdHMiOlt7IklkIjoiVUVGSUIifV19LHsiSWQiOjE1NDAsIk9wdHMiOlt7IklkIjoiNTA5ODg3NCJ9XX0seyJJZCI6MTU3MCwiT3B0cyI6W3siSWQiOiJHQUJEU0sxIiwiUXR5Ijo0fV19LHsiSWQiOjE2MjAsIk9wdHMiOlt7IklkIjoiNzUwTlIifV19LHsiSWQiOjE2NTAsIk9wdHMiOlt7IklkIjoiR1BCWjVVSSJ9XX0seyJJZCI6MTY1MiwiT3B0cyI6W3siSWQiOiJHNjdQRzVDIn1dfSx7IklkIjoxNjkxLCJPcHRzIjpbeyJJZCI6IjUxMDI0MzUifV19XX0%3D&cartItemId=

 

 

  • PowerEdge T640 Server
  • Chassis with up to 8" x 3.5 SAS/SATA Hard Drives, Tower Configuration
  • Intel® Xeon® Silver 4114 2.2G, 10C/20T, 9.6GT/s, 14M Cache, Turbo, HT (85W) DDR4-2400
  • 16GB RDIMM, 2666MT/s, Dual Rank
  • C5, RAID 10 for HDDs or SSDs in pairs (Matching Type/Speed/Capacity)
  • PERC H330 RAID Controller
  • 480GB SSD SATA Mix Use 6Gbps 512 2.5in Hot-plug AG Drive,3.5in HYB CARR, 3 DWPD, 2628 TBW
  • 480GB SSD SATA Mix Use 6Gbps 512 2.5in Hot-plug AG Drive,3.5in HYB CARR
  • 480GB SSD SATA Mix Use 6Gbps 512 2.5in Hot-plug AG Drive,3.5in HYB CARR
  • 480GB SSD SATA Mix Use 6Gbps 512 2.5in Hot-plug AG Drive,3.5in HYB CARR
  • Windows Server® 2019 Standard,16CORE,FI,No Med,No CAL, Multi Language
  • iDRAC9, Express
  • iDRAC Server Manager Enabled
  • Single, Hot-plug Power Supply (1+0), 750W
  • UEFI BIOS Boot Mode with GPT Partition
  • ProSupport and Next Business Day Onsite Service, 36 Month(s)

 

 

Could save a few bucks with slower CPU

Planning to look at some of the Dell Rack Mount Units of which there appear to be hundreds of different models so...

 

EDIT: I edited to make it clear this is a RAID-10 SSD config, so 480gb + 480gb = 960gb mirrored to another 960gb

 

 

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For those who are interested, I have figured out where Dell is hiding (in plain sight) the modern storage options. There is no way to tell if this is intentional due to a supply situation or just bad communication between sales and their website people.

 

The main point is one of the top server providers with a great engineering team does in fact have lots of advanced server side NVMe storage in 2019 but then they shoot themselves in the foot by hiding it.

 

I have randomly tried this on a few servers and some have it and some don't which I suspect depends on how recent the design is.

 

 

 

How to find the hidden NVMe server drives

 

STEP 1:

  • Near the top of the Customization area before the CPU selection is "Chassis"
  • At the bottom of the listed items is a small arrow labeled "more"
  • Click on that
  • It will list more Chassis options and you are looking for "PCIe SSD" OR "NVME"
  • Click on that radio button
  • Example: "Chassis with up to 6, 2.5" Hard Drives, 4 PCIe SSDs, 3 PCIe Slots"
  • This adds about $200

 

STEP 2:

  • In order (I guess) to have enough PCIe lanes, the 2nd CPU must be enabled
  • Downsize the 1st CPU to the cheapest
  • Then go down to "Additional Processor" and click that on
  • depending on downsize, it adds 0 - $300

 

 

STEP 3:

  • By selecting a SSD Chassis, a selection of NVMe hard drives will NOW show up!
  • Go down to the hard drive selection
  • After SATA SSD, SAS SSD, SAS, SATA, there will be a section labeled Others
  • In Others, you still need to go down the list to the little arrow labeled "more"
  • When you click on more, the NVMe drives will finally show up!

 

 

 

EXAMPLE LIST OF NVMe drives:

 

  • Dell 1.6TB, NVMe, Mixed Use Express Flash, 2.5 SFF Drive, U.2, PM1725b with Carrier  $1798
  • Dell 3.2TB, NVMe, Mixed Use Express Flash, 2.5 SFF Drive, U.2, PM1725b with Carrier  $3191
  • Dell 1TB, NVMe, Read Intensive Express Flash, 2.5 SFF Drive, U.2, P4510 with Carrier   $1101
  • Dell 4TB, NVMe, Read Intensive Express Flash, 2.5 SFF Drive, U.2, P4510 with Carrier  $3944
  • Dell 1.6TB, NVMe, Mixed Use Express Flash, 2.5 SFF Drive, U.2, P4610 with Carrier   $1740
  • Dell 3.2TB, NVMe, Mixed Use Express Flash, 2.5 SFF Drive, U.2, P4610 with Carrier  $3190
  • Dell 6.4TB, NVMe, Mixed Use Express Flash, 2.5 SFF Drive, U.2, P4610 with Carrier  $6090
  • Dell 375GB, NVMe, Ultra Performance Express Flash, 2.5 SFF Drive, U.2, P4800X with Carrier $ 2146

 

 

EDIT: I've found NVMe listed outside the drive section so this solution is just an illustration of the difficulty of locating Dell NVMe

 

Also, the NVMe prices are so out of line with sanity that I suspect a Dell rep must have a lot of margin to reduce them

 

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DevTech    1,517

Dell Config DevTech-4

 

$5938

 

PowerEdge R640 Rack Server

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/pdr/poweredge-r640/pe_r640_12232_vi_vp?selectionState=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%3D&cartItemId=

 

 

  • PowerEdge R640 Server
  • Chassis up to 10 x 2.5 Hard Drives including 10 NVMe, Max of 8 SAS/SATA, 3 PCIe Slots, 2 CPU only
  • Intel® Xeon® Bronze 3104 1.7G, 6C/6T, 9.6GT/s, 8M Cache, No Turbo, No HT (85W) DDR4-2133
  • Intel® Xeon® Bronze 3104 1.7G, 6C/6T, 9.6GT/s, 8M Cache, No Turbo, No HT (85W) DDR4-2133
  • 8GB RDIMM, 2666MT/s, Single Rank x 2 = 16gb
  • C1, No RAID for HDDs/SSDs (Mixed Drive Types Allowed)
  • HBA330 12Gbps SAS HBA Controller (NON-RAID), Minicard
  • 240GB SSD SATA Read Intensive 6Gbps 512 2.5in Hot-plug Boot AG Drive, 1 DWPD,438 TBW
  • Dell 1TB, NVMe, Read Intensive Express Flash, 2.5 SFF Drive, U.2, P4510 with Carrier
  • Dell 1TB, NVMe, Read Intensive Express Flash, 2.5 SFF Drive, U.2, P4510 with Carrier
  • Windows Server® 2019 Standard,16CORE,FI,No Med,No CAL, Multi Language
  • 8 Performance Fans for R640
  • Single, Hot-plug Power Supply (1+0), 495W
  • UEFI BIOS Boot Mode with GPT Partition
  • Next Business Day Onsite Service, 37 Month(s)

 

 

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Dell Config DevTech-5

 

$5988

 

PowerEdge R740xd Rack Server

 

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/pdr/poweredge-r740xd/pe_r740xd_12238_vi_vp?selectionState=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&cartItemId=

 

  • PowerEdge R740XD Server
  • Chassis up to 24 x 2.5” Hard Drives including max of 12 NVME Drives, 2CPU Configuration
  • Intel® Xeon® Bronze 3104 1.7G, 6C/6T, 9.6GT/s, 8M Cache, No Turbo, No HT (85W) DDR4-2133
  • Intel® Xeon® Bronze 3104 1.7G, 6C/6T, 9.6GT/s, 8M Cache, No Turbo, No HT (85W) DDR4-2133
  • 8GB RDIMM, 2666MT/s, Single Rank x 2 = 16gb
  • C1, No RAID for HDDs/SSDs (Mixed Drive Types Allowed)
  • HBA330 Controller, 12Gbps Adapter, Low Profile
  • 480GB SSD SATA Mix Use 6Gbps 512 2.5in Hot-plug AG Drive, 3 DWPD, 2628 TBW
  • Dell 1.6TB, NVMe, Mixed Use Express Flash, 2.5 SFF Drive, U.2, PM1725b with Carrier
  • Windows Server® 2019 Standard,16CORE,FI,No Med,No CAL, Multi Language
  • Riser Config 6, 5 x8, 3 x16 slots, Single-Wide GPU compatible
  • Broadcom 5720 Quad Port 1GbE BASE-T, rNDC
  • 6 Performance Fans forR740/740XD
  • Single, Hot-plug Power Supply (1+0), 750W
  • UEFI BIOS Boot Mode with GPT Partition
  • Next Business Day Onsite Service, 37 Month(s)

 

 

 

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Here's a question I think I forgot to ask. My embroidery machine software has been approved for Windows Server 2012 and one of them tested fine on Server 2016. If it works on 2016, will it work on 2019? If not, is this a case where I could configure a VM with Windows Server 2008 in it to handle the embroidery software databases? I say Server 2008 because I already have a license for it. Or for that matter, the embroidery software works on Windows 10 so could I do a VM with Windows 10 to handle that software if it doesn't work with Server 2019?

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I think you have to license hyper v for 2019 but not100%.  Microsoft licensing changes so much.  1 vm guest use to be included. Talk to dell about getting media and key for activation for a guest os

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2 hours ago, patseguin said:

Here's a question I think I forgot to ask. My embroidery machine software has been approved for Windows Server 2012 and one of them tested fine on Server 2016. If it works on 2016, will it work on 2019? If not, is this a case where I could configure a VM with Windows Server 2008 in it to handle the embroidery software databases? I say Server 2008 because I already have a license for it. Or for that matter, the embroidery software works on Windows 10 so could I do a VM with Windows 10 to handle that software if it doesn't work with Server 2019?

This would have to be the world's worst piece of Software Junk for it to not work on 2019, while working on 2016. Really bad software + illuminati intervention + NSA Spy Software + Chinese Trojan + Putin's Cousin would have to combine for that to be possible.

 

Like... Planning is Good, but planning for the extremely unlikely is an energy drain.

 

But at the risk of putting focus on it, I did see some Hyper-V checkboxes on some server configs and they all had a price of $0.00 attached to them. It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to set up Hyper-V and a couple of "empty" VMs so if you every need them to test something, it is quick and easy.

 

It would be Totally Crazy for Microsoft to have a "Hyper-V Tax" since they really integrated it into the O/S in Windows 10 and Server 2016 - For example it forms the core of the Windows Container system and also is used in various security sandboxing for device drivers and I suspect it will hit the WOW layer at some point.

 

Similarly in the "Planning That is Useful" department, you should strongly consider a budget "bonus" for a 32 gig or 64 gig RAM footprint because sourcing anything down the road looks like it will be a tedious and annoying process.

 

EDIT: Note that for a Single CPU config, 6 modules of 8 gigs gets you the 6-way RAM that thew new "Scalable" Xeon series on LGA 3647 is famous for, making 48 gigs the "sweet spot" for single CPU. Dell's price gouging on "add-ons" means that the VAST BULK of all server sales must be lacking in a major new design feature for Intel's Xeon series.

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