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42 minutes ago, DevTech said:

You are on the "small" side of "small business"

 

RAID-0 - NEVER

RAID-1 - probably ok, but make sure you know what to do with it

RAID-anything else you won't bother to learn it and it will be a pain, just avoid it

 

no RAID at all might also work if you store a spare hard drive in the case or nearby shelf and do Backblaze.com or equivilent more often than once a day which is the way these services work.

 

If drive fails, you slap in spare and restore, maybe an hour of downtime 

 

BUT really, over and over I suggest a Samsung 970 Pro 4 TB - so so unlikely to fail anyways... spare it or RAID-1 it...

 

SO I'd configure 2x 4TB 970's. I'd have 4TB usable space with a mirrored drive. Am I correct?

 

@sc302I get where you're coming from. How many drives are required for RAID 6? Do you agree with Devtech on going with maybe 2 SSD's in RAID1 since they will have an extremely low failure rate?

18 minutes ago, patseguin said:

SO I'd configure 2x 4TB 970's. I'd have 4TB usable space with a mirrored drive. Am I correct?

 

@sc302I get where you're coming from. How many drives are required for RAID 6? Do you agree with Devtech on going with maybe 2 SSD's in RAID1 since they will have an extremely low failure rate?

So don't forget that none of gets to sit down with you and do a full needs assessment.

 

We are at the other end of a long tunnel using our imagination for what things are like for you and have built up a mental model over the course of the thread...

 

So with RAID, I imagine you are in some little town outside of Buffalo on a sales call and you get a call from the office that there is this flashing red light on the RAID ARRAY (if you get one) - so what do you do next? you've never done it, so there is a panicked search for the manual, maybe it gets found, maybe an employee pulls out the wrong drive etc - you do embroidery, so I.T. has to be no more complicated than the PCs you use every day

 

That's my take... Far easier to pull up a Backblaze web interface (or similar product) and restore a few hours of lost data. You could even have coverage on every client PC as well...

 

EDIT: also never forget RAID does not protect from data damage like DEL *.* - that damage is faithfully mirrored!

 

Raid 6 is 4 drives.  

 

I wont disagree but not sure.   I have a 970 in my computer at home which essentially runs 24x7 but I am not running a database on it or having that many transactions on it or having multiple users accessing it at any given time.  I am skeptical of a 970 being the right solution, I can not say it is wrong or right.  I will say I am not 100% on board with that.  It is consumer grade, Samsung does make enterprise grade at a higher cost.  

 

Ssd has been around for a while and while I think everything and everyone should have it, I think it depends.  Spinning drives have a much higher failure rate, but I have heard people with large transactions (graphic design/cad) prematurely killing ssd drives due to the amount of read writes these programs do.   Which brings me to I am uncertain. 

15 minutes ago, sc302 said:

Raid 6 is 4 drives.  

 

I wont disagree but not sure.   I have a 970 in my computer at home which essentially runs 24x7 but I am not running a database on it or having that many transactions on it or having multiple users accessing it at any given time.  I am skeptical of a 970 being the right solution, I can not say it is wrong or right.  I will say I am not 100% on board with that.  It is consumer grade, Samsung does make enterprise grade at a higher cost.  

 

Ssd has been around for a while and while I think everything and everyone should have it, I think it depends.  Spinning drives have a much higher failure rate, but I have heard people with large transactions (graphic design/cad) prematurely killing ssd drives due to the amount of read writes these programs do.   Which brings me to I am uncertain. 

It is the writes that kill.

 

I have done it with huge C++ compiles.

 

But the Samsung 970 Pro is designed for heavy write loads ("Pro" = write focus) and uses long lasting 3D NAND Flash that is better than Intel/Microm Flash

 

The only way to get more longevity is to go with more spare cells or Enterprise SLC Flash. The Samsung has a few gigs of SLC as a chache on board but a whole drive of SLC is not affordable by anyone here!

 

You could buy a 4TB, provision at 3TB and it would last FOREVER (i.e. until computer is obsolete in 15 years)

 

The fantastic IOPS and Q-Depth on the Samsung make it just as good as enterprise for multi-user and DB loads that would FAR EXCEED an embroidery shop using FileMaker!

 

EDIT: it will probably still last 4 years at 4TB without the over=provision since is comes with spare cells of course that are sized for anticipated usage model, which fro the Pro is write-heavy

 

EDIT: consumer stuff often does not  have the high temp rating for high-density rack mounting "blades"

IDK, the shop has 5 whole people and does embroidery. If he's not already thinking quantum architecture he might as well be painting with feces on a cave wall waiting for the dinosaurs to go to sleep so he can go out foraging. You guys are talking about Hypervisors, but you should be thinking Ludicrousvisors which are much faster depending on the size of your helmet.

 

Seriously, this thread got out of control halfway through the first page. Peen measuring more than helpful information.

3 minutes ago, goatsniffer said:

IDK, the shop has 5 whole people and does embroidery. If he's not already thinking quantum architecture he might as well be painting with feces on a cave wall waiting for the dinosaurs to go to sleep so he can go out foraging. You guys are talking about Hypervisors, but you should be thinking Ludicrousvisors which are much faster depending on the size of your helmet.

 

Seriously, this thread got out of control halfway through the first page. Peen measuring more than helpful information.

If you want to make such a comment, that's your choice but maybe it would make sense to read the whole thing first before engaging comment?

 

It had a lot of standard Enterprise advice at the start because it looked like an Enterprise config.

 

Then the thread adapted to focus down on a small embroidery shop and just how much home-savvy vs business support is needed.

 

Along the way it was a FUN ride and very active and the OP got lots of material to ponder on - all a GOOD THING (tm)

 

I just got back from a computer conference on processing of data.

 

Unlike previous years where there was a debate on the merits of cloud vs on-premise, the tipping point appears to finally have happened.

 

But what a nice experience to see people working hard to push an industry forward. What a contrast to some of the pettiness seen in this thread and elsewhere...

 

Circaflex: you need to get out of the basement for a while. How anyone enjoys being a TROLL beats me, but your Trolling is just juvenile.

 

Goatsniffer: you need to contribute something to help patseguin like the many people in this thread. His search for an ideal config is ongoing and if he wants to second-guess every last detail of a significant expenditure, there is nothing odd about that. People volunteer their time to help others and the person being helped can pack and choose ideas  that THEY decide are useful to them. Try making one yourself, before denigrating the work of many people.

 

I tried doing another Dell build and it told me something about needing iDRAC Server Manager. That wasn't even listed as an option so I had to abandon it. I'm now trying Lenovo and it's even more complicated. I wonder if maybe I need to get on the phone with Dell and talk to someone about a config. I just fear they are going to unnecessarily beef up the system to make money. I'm kind of thinking now about getting a low end Xeon processor and 4x 4TB SAS hard drives in RAID 6. Then I'll keep a daily backup on an external drive and then find a good cloud backup solution and back up to cloud weekly, or even nightly assuming the backups are differential.

 

On a side note, Shopworks offers cloud servers. They price it at like $300/month. I suppose that's not bad if I was going to lease a new server for that much anyways. I'm just not sure our internet is good enough for all the workstations to connect to a cloud server and access the databases that way.

I will build a low budget dell server for you and send you the specs.   I won’t go ssd for os drives and will keep it under 5k. Will go for the enterprise drac, you will need to hook that card up to your network and give it a static IP (outside of your dhcp scope) 

14 minutes ago, sc302 said:

I will build a low budget dell server for you and send you the specs.   I won’t go ssd for os drives and will keep it under 5k. Will go for the enterprise drac, you will need to hook that card up to your network and give it a static IP (outside of your dhcp scope) 

What do you and everyone else think about Lenovo? Here's a config I just did:

 

Base

ThinkSystem ST250 3.5" Chassis Base

1

Processors

Intel Xeon E-2104G 4+2C 65W 3.2GHz Processor

1

Memory

ThinkSystem 16GB TruDDR4 2666MHz (2Rx8, 1.2V) UDIMM

1

Storage

ThinkSystem ST250 4x3.5" SATA/SAS Backplane

1

Select Storage devices - configured RAID

1

ThinkSystem RAID 930-8i 2GB Flash PCIe 12Gb Adapter

1

Primary Array - RAID 6

1

ThinkSystem 3.5" 4TB 7.2K SAS 12Gb Hot Swap 512n HDD

4

ThinkSystem M.2 5100 480GB SATA 6Gbps Non-Hot Swap SSD

1

Optical Drive

ThinkSystem External USB DVD-RW Optical Disk Drive

1

Power

ThinkSystem ST250 250W Fixed PSU

1

2.8m, 10A/120V, C13 to NEMA 5-15P (US) Line Cord

1

Others

ThinkSystem ST250 Motherboard

1

Feature Enable TPM 1.2

1

OS & Software

Windows Server 2019 Essentials - MultiLang (not preinstalled)

1

Microsoft Windows Server 2019 Client Access License (10 User)

Lenovo is good.  Confusing to build.  A little more expensive then dell. Support is a bit worse than dell. 

 

 

Did you call a dell rep, do you have one?   Did you work out specs with them?  Tell them what your needs are?   Did you call a var and have them help you out with a few different server builds?  I can put you in touch with some of mine, there is also a var or two on reddit.com/r/sysadmin who view the weekly am I getting **** topic who would help you out.  

4 minutes ago, sc302 said:

Lenovo is good.  Confusing to build.  A little more expensive then dell. Support is a bit worse than dell. 

 

 

Did you call a dell rep, do you have one?   Did you work out specs with them?  Tell them what your needs are?   Did you call a var and have them help you out with a few different server builds?  I can put you in touch with some of mine, there is also a var or two on reddit.com/r/sysadmin who view the weekly am I getting **** topic who would help you out.  

Yeah I just wanted to see how they compare to Dell. I already have a Dell small business credit line so I'll likely be using them still.

 

I didn't call anyone at Dell yet. I am curious so see what configuration you put together. Don't feel like you have to though.

7 minutes ago, sc302 said:

It will be some time before I get to a desktop but I don’t think you are in a rush. 

Also, does Windows Server Essentials sound appropriate for me as opposed to Server Standard?

OK I'm getting pretty tired of thinking about this. Dell for whatever reason doesn't offer RAID6 as an option. Here's what I came up with this morning:

 

PowerEdge T340

PowerEdge T340 Server

Trusted Platform Module (TPM)

Trusted Platform Module 2.0

Chassis Configuration

3.5" Chassis up to 8 Hot Plug Hard Drives

SHIPPING

PowerEdge T340 Shipping

Processor

Intel® Xeon® E-2124 3.3GHz, 8M cache, 4C/4T, turbo (71W)

Processor Thermal Configuration

Standard Heatsink for PE T340

Memory DIMM Type and Speed

2666MT/s UDIMMs

Memory Configuration Type

Performance Optimized

Memory Capacity

16GB 2666MT/s DDR4 ECC UDIMM

RAID Configuration

C4, RAID 5 for 3 or more HDDs or SSDs (Matching Type/Speed/Capacity)

RAID/Internal Storage Controllers

PERC H330 RAID Controller, Adapter, Full Height

Hard Drives

(3) 4TB 7.2K RPM SATA 6Gbps 512n 3.5in Hot-plug Hard Drive

Additional Network Cards

On-Board Broadcom 5720 Dual Port 1Gb LOM

Embedded Systems Management

iDRAC9,Enterprise

Internal Optical Drive

DVD +/-RW, SATA, Internal

Rack Rails

No Rack Rails, No Cable Management Arm, No Casters

Bezel

No Bezel

BIOS and Advanced System Configuration Settings

Performance BIOS Setting

Power Cords

(2) 2X NEMA 5-15P to C13 Wall Plug, 125 Volt, 15 AMP, 10 Feet (3m), Power Cord, North America

Power Supply

Dual, Hot-plug, Redundant Power Supply 1+1, 495W

System Documentation

No Systems Documentation, No OpenManage DVD Kit

Operating System

Windows Server® 2019 Essentials,FI,No Med, No CAL, Multi Language

OS Media Kits

Windows Server® 2019 Essentials,Media Kit, Multi Language

Licenses

Bring Your Own VSAN Licenses

Client Access Licenses

10-pack of Windows Server 2019/2016 User CALs (Standard or Datacenter)

Advanced System Configurations

UEFI BIOS Boot Mode with GPT Partition

Shipping Information

US No Canada Ship Charge

Motherboard

PowerEdge T340 Motherboard

Shipping Material

PowerEdge T340 Ship Material

Group Manager

iDRAC Group Manager, Disabled

Password

iDRAC,Factory Generated Password

Dell Services: Hardware Support

Basic Next Business Day 12Months, 12 Month(s)

Deployment Services

No Installation

iDRAC Service Module

iDRAC Server Manager Enabled

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In 2019, it is plain nuts NOT to be using SSD unless you have enormous data requirements which you don't.

 

FileMaker on SSD is the only improvement you would actually notice on this upgrade for all the expense involved.

 

And frankly, the current jump in performance of NVMe over SATA SSD makes that yet ANOTHER Generational Quantum Jump.

 

Buy a new server in 2019, and be TWO generations behind right at the start?

 

(That qualifies you to get a job in the Enterprise I.T. field :) )

 

EDIT: Sigh, moan, groan... I will try and navigate the Dell server config to see if they are hiding engineering talent in some dusty corner...

It isn’t nuts.  It is small business.  Big box takes a bit to catch up esp on their small business side. This isn’t data center or build your own white box.  Every big box/mass quantity manufacturer is on the same page.  The only one that might not be is Apple, but I don’t think they buy in the quantity as the big box players.  I don’t think you understand small business even a little bit. 

 

Fwiw I went from spinning disk to flash for a heavy back end database and I saw 0.00% gain in regards to speed.  I have 8gb fiber channel and I am using roughly 50Mb/s at any given time.  I didn’t need flash for speed. I got flash because it wasn’t that much more in my Sans and spinning disk has too many moving parts which eat away at power as well as the previous rack space. 

 

A single tower server for a small business it doesn’t matter. Ssd isn’t going to help as much as you think outside of launching apps faster and booting faster.  It is a always up server, fast boot isn’t a need neither is launching apps.  Business continuity is a need, focus more on that and less on cutting edge tech.  Maybe the high end rack servers will have what you are looking for, but that isn’t what he is looking at which is essentially a desktop with some redundancies at common points of failure. 

8 minutes ago, sc302 said:

It isn’t nuts.  It is small business.  Big box takes a bit to catch up esp on their small business side. This isn’t data center or build your own white box.  Every big box/mass quantity manufacturer is on the same page.  The only one that might but be is Apple, but I don’t think they buy in the quantity as the big box players.  I don’t think you understand small business even a little bit. 

 

Fwiw I went from spinning disk to flash for a heavy back end database and I saw 0.00% gain in regards to speed.  I have 8gb finer channel and I am using roughly 50Mb/s at any given time.  I didn’t need flash for speed. I got flash because it wasn’t that much more in my Sans and spinning disk has too many moving parts which eat away at power as well as the previous rack space. 

 

A single tower server for a small business it doesn’t matter. Ssd isn’t going to help as much as you think.  

What I understand is the concept of finding the maximum value for patseguin.

 

In that quest, I have zero interest in accepting any lazyness on the part of suppliers just because they like to traditionally gouge their customers knowing full well that most of them are not knowledgeable.

 

Again, that "Needs Assessment" that none of us get to do. A SSD will provide far less speed up if a DB is mostly reads. SSD shines brightly in write-heavy DB loads.

 

Still, in 2019, it's not my desire to help a supplier make more profit by looking at "good enough" - for a consumer of a product, business or otherwise, the most value for hard earned dollars should be the objective. At least that is where I am coming from. That is my BIAS here.

 

 

Dell Config DevTech-1

 

$2,419

 

  • 2 TB NVMe for everything (really think RAID is just not needed for this tech)
  • 2 TB single spinner for local backup
  • Windows Pro - needs SBS etc server upgrade via Dell Rep
  • Additional NVMe can be added via expansion ports and adapter card
  • Lowest video that could be selected was 1050 ti - Dell rep could probably downgrade that

 

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/pdr/xps-8930-desktop/cto8930w10ph150s?selectionState=eyJPQyI6ImN0bzg5MzB3MTBwaDE1MHMiLCJNb2RzIjpbeyJJZCI6MywiT3B0cyI6W3siSWQiOiIzMkdCIn1dfSx7IklkIjo4LCJPcHRzIjpbeyJJZCI6IkdWVDk2S08ifV19LHsiSWQiOjY2NiwiT3B0cyI6W3siSWQiOiJHMEJGSkcxIn1dfV19&cartItemId=

 

XPS Tower Special Edition

 

Note: Dell supports their XPS line as BOTH a consumer and business product.

 

 

 

  • Intel® Core™ i7-9700[9th Gen Processor Intel® Turbo Boost Technology 8-Core/8-Thread 12M Cache]
  • Windows 10 Pro 64-bit English
  • 32GB DDR4 at 2666MHz; up to 64GB (Additional memory sold separately)
  • 2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD (Boot) + 2TB 7200RPM 3.5" SATA HDD (Storage)
  • NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1050 Ti 4GB GDDR5
  • Tray Load DVD-RW Drive (Reads and Writes to DVD/CD)
  • 802.11ac + Bluetooth 4.2, Dual Band 2.4&5 GHz, 1x1
  • Thunderbolt 3 PCIe Network and IO Card
  • 1 Year Hardware Service with Onsite

 

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I was able to get a raid 6 config...not under 5 but at 6100....

 

take a look, again you will have to build and check with your rep to get pricing better.  

 

Manufacturer "laziness" aside, a current setup regardless of how "old" it is will be supported by the manufacturer for the warranty time specified 3 years, 5years, etc and can be extended beyond that in almost every case.  So squeezing every bit of current technology performance isn't something that I worry about as much as having a business continue to run for the time frame a warranty can be bought for.  Essentially if you aren't going to offer up support for the system, don't suggest something outside of what can be offered.  I can build a crazy fast system, as good or better than you possibly could....I won't support him when it fails and I do expect some hardware to fail at some point whether there be environmental damage outside of our control (flooded office, lightening hit, etc) and I won't be a phone call away with parts on standby ready to ship nor will I be a one stop shop for all of his problems in relation to this server purchase.

 

 

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Dell Config DevTech-2

 

$5,884

 

  • So, Precision same as server = really fight with the bewildering config
  • CPU is 10 cores
  • Empty 2nd CPU socket for upgrade
  • 48 gigs is the smallest RAM which gives you the PROPER 6-way RAM for modern Xeon in LGA 3647 sockets - this can be downgraded if 2 way RAM in a 6-way socket system won't wake you screaming most nights "What have I done?" Note: all configs so far to patseguin have NOT been 6-way RAM
  • I suspect that some people holding out for RETRO SPINNING THINGS are attracted to those cute looking levers on the front where you can pull out a drive so in this config we give you cute little levers on the front to pull out NVMe drives!
  • If you want the server O/S then Dell Rep needed to change that
  • Selected lowest NVIDIA card - Dell rep can probably downgrade but stay with NVIDIA
  • I forgot to add a spinning backup drive but there is 9 more slots to stuff in just about anything
  • I added Thunderbolt 3 to ALL configs so far to permit super easy to add external fast drives down the road.

 

 

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/desktop-and-all-in-one-pcs/precision-7920-tower/spd/precision-7920-workstation/xctopt7920us

 

  • Precision 7920 Tower Chassis (BC_PCIe)
  • Intel Xeon Silver 4114 2.2GHz, 3.0GHz Turbo, 10C, 9.6GT/s 2UPI, 14MB Cache, HT (85W) DDR4-2400
  • Windows 10 Pro for Workstations (4 Cores Plus) Multi - English, French, Spanish
  • Quadro P620, 2GB, 4 mDP to DP adapter (PWS 5820,7x20T)
  • 48GB 6x8GB DDR4 2666MHz RDIMM ECC
  • Intel NVMe PCIe SSD (Front PCIe FlexBay)
  • Intel Integrated controller (RST-e) with 1-2 Front FlexBay NVMe Drives
  • M.2 2TB PCIe NVMe Class 40 Solid State Drive
  • M.2 2TB PCIe NVMe Class 40 Solid State Drive
  • Thunderbolt 3 PCIe card - 2 Type C Ports, 1 DP in
  • 3 Years Hardware Warranty with Onsite

 

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I have to run out for 8 hours or so...

 

So the daunting task of poking through various Dell server configs will have to get completed after that.

 

Currently, we are both looking into 100% Dell configs per @patseguincurrent focus.

 

 

EDIT: in a hurry to leave, this post came across stupidly nasty - I removed that 

5 minutes ago, sc302 said:

essentially a precision desktop is a server...and usually gets overlooked as being one.

Well for a server config, the GPU is like a "special Tax" but on the other hand, so far the prices seem a shade lower than full server, and the selection of quality options better, along with more advanced hardware like those "Hot Swap" NVMe plug-ins

 

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BeeCamera is simply the name for the application that runs on the NAS and on your mobile device. I think the marketing team missed the mark here, but it does fit the other naming on the device, like BeePhotos and BeeFiles, I guess. Camera Support As of right now, only Synology-branded cameras are supported, which many will see as a callback to the drive locking the company implemented and then backtracked on. That said, while I 100% disagree on drive locking, I agree that camera locking for a device made to simply plug and play is the right decision. The whole point of the BeeStation line is simplicity. There are currently three camera model lines available, a wireless device for indoor use, and two PoE models for external use. CC400W (Wi-Fi): Plug it into power using the included power adapter, and connect it to your wireless network. This camera is rated only for indoor use and is the one I was provided to review the BeeCamera. $198.36, in line with the Unifi G6 Compact. BC510 (PoE): A bullet-style camera. Connect it to an Ethernet cable that is providing Power over Ethernet (PoE). This camera is rated for both indoor and outdoor use. $240. TC510 (PoE): A dome-style camera. Connect it to an Ethernet cable that is providing Power over Ethernet (PoE). This camera is rated for both indoor and outdoor use. $240. Although this isn't a review of the actual Synology camera, I did want to note that a positive for the Synology CC400W is that it uses a magnetic base. This means you can mount it on any magnetic surface, which is pretty handy. However, a downside to the camera is that it's powered by a built-in USB cable that's about six and a half feet (two meters) long. This means that the cable will probably be either too long or too short, but more importantly, if the cable is damaged at all, you'll likely need to buy an entirely new camera because there doesn't appear to be a way to replace it, unlike many competitors, like the Unifi G6 Instant. Hopefully, this is something Synology addresses in a future revision of the hardware. The BeeStation Plus supports up to four cameras. Setup The setup of BeeCamera is, like everything in the BeeStation family, very straightforward. Simply make sure you're on at least version 1.5 of the BeeStation OS, and BeeCamera is automatically installed on the device. BeeCamera Setup Screenshots Setting up the CC400W was just as easy. Plug it in, open up the BeeCamera app, and follow the on-screen steps to add the camera. During this process, you'll configure the camera name and how many days of retention you want to keep. The system will also automatically update the firmware for you. The whole thing took only a couple of minutes, excluding the time it took for the camera to update the firmware. Once the camera is connected to the BeeStation Plus, you can manage the various camera settings within the app, although there aren't many to choose from. You're able to configure whether the microphone will record audio (some privacy laws may preclude you from recording it), select what codec to use (H.264 or H.265), configure the color and exposure of the camera, and determine what data you want to overlay onto the video. Finally, you can set up AI detections so that BeeCamera will alert you if it sees certain things. These are all of the common detections you would expect in a camera system, such as people, pets, and vehicles. Under people and vehicles, you can also add extra monitoring for lingering and congestion detection, although pets are currently in "Lab" and therefore have no extra features yet. Recording in 4K using H.265 for 30 days will take roughly 300 GB of storage, which is very reasonable for most regular households, as the BeeStation Plus has 8TB of native storage. If you want to set up detection zones, you can. These are areas that BeeCamera will look at for the various detections, and are helpful if, for example, there's a tree in your frame and you don't want to be notified each time the wind makes the branches move around in the frame. Finally, you can also schedule when the camera should and should not be recording, which is a very useful feature. For example, you may want to record only at night when you're sleeping, but not during the day when you're up and about the house, so you can easily shut the camera off between 8 am and 10 pm. Each hour of each day can be configured to record continuously, only upon a detection event, or disabled completely. You can't fine-tune to record at a specific time, though, only hourly blocks on the hour. Daily Use The best part of BeeCamera is that it's easy and just works. If you only care about being notified when things happen, the mobile app sends those notifications and lets you click the button to bring up the video and see what's going on. For example, when I went out of town and had the camera pointed at the cat tower in our hallway, it was nice to be able to drop in and check that my furry friends were doing okay without me. Initiating the remote connection to the BeeStation Plus through the app is very responsive, but this will heavily depend on your ISP. In my case, using Xfinity, I'm able to go from starting the app to seeing live video in roughly three seconds, which is about the same amount of time it takes to connect to my Unifi UNVR system that costs much more. If you want to see footage from a specific day and time, you can do so using the calendar icon. You can also scroll through the timeline, looking for detections that are labeled in blue (vs. the normal gray when there's nothing of interest). There are buttons that let you go to the last/next detection on the timeline, which is helpful if you missed the notification on your mobile device. That's where the ease of use stops, though. While you can download clips that are flagged by detection, there's apparently no way to select generic time frames you're interested in, and the only place to download is to your phone. In addition, sharing a video shares the actual video, not just a link back to your BeeStation Plus. While that's good from a security and privacy perspective, it's a little awkward for sharing large videos. Limitations While the ease of implementation is great, there are some things that are lacking from BeeCamera. The most obvious is that there is no way to view the footage on the desktop. You can log in to the BeeStation Plus to see how much storage BeeCamera is using, but unlike BeePhotos and BeeFiles, there is no BeeCamera on the web console to manage or view footage. This means you'll be viewing all of your security footage on your mobile device, which is pretty limiting. In addition, there's no way to download the video to your PC without first using your phone as the intermediary. The one exception to this is that you can use BeeFiles to see the raw MP4 files. They're saved in 5-minute increments, and it's just raw data with no detection information or any other way to identify what any of them are. The lack of a way to interact with BeeCamera on the desktop also makes configuration of the cameras more difficult. For example, trying to set up detection zones using a tiny screen and your finger to draw boxes is more cumbersome than it needs to be. This reinforces the idea that BeeCamera is not made for power users. It's also missing some of the more advanced functionality of Surveillance Station. For example, I couldn't find a way to say, "Alert me if the thing in this zone is no longer there." Another major deficiency with BeeCamera, and a feature I suspect may come out in the future, is that while it can detect generic people, there is no specific facial recognition yet. This is an interesting omission, given the fact that other Synology tools can detect specific individuals, and competitors such as Unifi Protect also do it. This is probably a software limitation, so we will have to wait and see if this feature is added in the future. Conclusion If you need a security guard to monitor surveillance cameras to make sure your property is secure, then BeeCamera is not the solution for you. That said, you probably wouldn't be using a BeeStation Plus as the brains behind the system either. BeeCamera (and BeeStation in general) is clearly aimed at households that want to avoid sending personal data to Google and Amazon, and now want to add some cameras to keep an eye on their home and their pets while they're away. BeeCamera excels at doing this. The target market isn't interested in creating cases, tying multiple views together in a single pane of glass, or the like, and for the intended use case, the system works great. Where it starts to fall apart a bit is with more advanced features. Not being able to use a desktop app is a major compromise in my opinion, and having to do all of the configuration on a mobile device is annoying, but not impossible. If you don't want to have a full-fledged NAS device in your home, but still want control over your data (or maybe want an easy way to backup your data for World Backup Day), and want to add a couple of cameras to keep an eye on your house and your pets, this is a great, cheap, and easy way to go, and I suspect more functionality will come over time. If Synology releases a desktop app or at least a way to configure cameras and view footage on a desktop browser, this would be a near-perfect solution for a general home user. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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