Kenosha Shooting: 17-Year-Old Kyle Rittenhouse Arrested In Connection With Shooting That Left 2 Dead, 1 Wounded

[Sun-Tzu]

On 14/11/2021 at 00:58, ThaCrip said:

It's obvious the left (especially those in the media) just want Kyle R to burn because he's affiliated with those on the right. it's really that simple. facts don't matter to godless leftists. it's obvious he's[Kyle R] innocent for anyone who's honest as there is thing called 'self-defense' but for many on the left nowadays that should not apply to conservatives. it's sad society had become like this where people (typically those on the left) want to ruin anyone, justified or not, for not siding with them politically.

 

because when someone is potentially going to jail for a long time you better do your best to be honest about the situation regardless of ones personal politics, otherwise your just a bad person who should be no where near a jury etc if your that type who basically says someone is guilty if they are not inline with your own politics. with that said, I get we all have our biases to a degree, but after a certain point people get blinded by their hate and can't think rationally anymore and could potentially convict a innocent person, or even go a bit too far with punishment on that person etc.

 

p.s. but I think it's sort of like Dan Bongino said, where he said something to this effect... 'conservatives see liberals as people with bad ideas where as liberals see conservatives as bad people'. which probably sums up their hate for those on the right, especially those in positions of power in the media/politics etc.

I'd say you're right.

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[DocM]

On 14/11/2021 at 15:13, SierraSonic said:

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From his perspective all of them come off as self defense.

 

In self-defense cases that's the perspective that matters. Did he feel his life was in danger, or was he at risk of great bodily harm?

 

On 14/11/2021 at 15:13, SierraSonic said:

From the perspective of victom 2 and 3, Kyle was an active shooter and it was self defense from those preventing further shootings. Unfortunately skateboard guy was out gunned, and victim 3 approached a armed subject without focusing his aim at a distance and telling Kyle to toss the weapon or be shot at the slightest twitch.

 

Before any of the shootings they made the first aggressive move, chasing him to ground. At this point he had every reason to believe he was at risk of great bodily harm.

 

On 14/11/2021 at 15:13, SierraSonic said:

We have one case of unarmed assault resulting in death, one case of poorly armed self defense vs self defense, and one case of poor executed self defense vs self defense IMO.

 

Read above. They made the first aggressive move in running KR to ground before any shooting started.

[SierraSonic]

You did see that I covered your response in my original post? You're only applying this from Kyle's perspective. Victim 2 and 3 were self defending against a potential active shooter in their eyes. They were just defending against a potential active shooter, skateboard guy was out gunned, and victim 3 had poor judgement in approaching a armed subject and trying to disarm them improperly. The way I see it, from their perspectives, they have valid claims to standing their ground against a potential active shooter as he does from getting cornered by someone who through a plastic bag at him.

[DocM]

On 14/11/2021 at 16:13, SierraSonic said:

You did see that I covered your response in my original post? You're only applying this from Kyle's perspective. Victim 2 and 3 were self defending against a potential active shooter in their eyes. They were just defending against a potential active shooter, skateboard guy was out gunned, and victim 3 had poor judgement in approaching a armed subject and trying to disarm them improperly. The way I see it, from their perspectives, they have valid claims to standing their ground against a potential active shooter as he does from getting cornered by someone who through a plastic bag at him.

 

Did you miss the part about WI's Stand Your Ground law having a Duty to Retreat? The aggressors had that duty too, and KR did it twice, but instead they chased and ran KR to ground before the physical attacks & shooting started.

[SierraSonic]

Running from an active shooter (or someone they believe to be) versus running from a plastic bag and unarmed man, are different, you can't outrun a bullet. I'll point out, he's not the one on trial at this moment. He was defending others who were running.

[Steven P. Administrators]

On 14/11/2021 at 21:49, DocM said:

 

In self-defense cases that's the perspective that matters. Did he feel his life was in danger, or was he at risk of great bodily harm?

 

 

Before any of the shootings they made the first aggressive move, chasing him to ground. At this point he had every reason to believe he was at risk of great bodily harm.

 

 

Read above. They made the first aggressive move in running KR to ground before any shooting started.

 

On 14/11/2021 at 23:16, DocM said:

 

Did you miss the part about WI's Stand Your Ground law having a Duty to Retreat? The aggressors had that duty too, and KR did it twice, but instead they chased and ran KR to ground before the physical attacks & shooting started.

Unsurprisingly ignoring the circumstances in which he ended up being there in the first place.

 

There is far more to it than the end result which you keep arguing. Yes, the laws exist.. other people are arguing his entire motive for being there and that it should be taken into account.

 

He wasn't some dude defending his property or loved ones, he travelled across state lines with a weapon to be there as a vigilante wannabe "blue lines" supporter.

[DocM]

On 14/11/2021 at 19:21, Steven P. said:

Unsurprisingly ignoring the circumstances in which he ended up being there in the first place.

 

Store owners had asked for help during days of riots, and the city politician's response was miniscule.  Did you miss the part where Kenosha cops thanked KR & co. who responded? Gave them water?

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/29/fact-check-video-police-thanked-kyle-rittenhouse-gave-him-water/5661804002/

 

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Police officer (over a loudspeaker): “You need water? Seriously. (unintelligible) You need water?”

 

Rittenhouse, raising his arm and walking toward the police vehicle: “We need water.”

 

Police officer: “We’ll throw you one.”

 

Rittenhouse then walks out into the street amid several police vehicles, holding his hand in the air for a water bottle. An officer surfaces from a hatch at the top of the police vehicle and tosses a water bottle to a person located just out of the camera’s view, where Rittenhouse would likely be standing based on the preceding footage

 

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Police officer: “We got a couple. We’ve got to save a couple, but we’ll give you a couple. We appreciate you guys, we really do.”

 

On 14/11/2021 at 19:21, Steven P. said:

There is far more to it than the end result which you keep arguing. Yes, the laws exist.. other people are arguing his entire motive for being there and that it should be taken into account.

 

His being there was legal, and carrying a weapon openly is as well. The only issue is his age, and that law is both vague, it has exceptions for ages 15-17,  and a misdemeanor.  

 

Is it legal for a minor to use deadly force? Yes. There are numerous cases nation-wide of minors self-defending. 

 

On 14/11/2021 at 19:21, Steven P. said:

He wasn't some dude defending his property or loved ones, he travelled across state lines with a weapon to be there as a vigilante wannabe "blue lines" supporter.

 

Again, store owners asked for help, and Kenosha cops were glad to see them. 

 

Also, the WI Stand Your Ground and Open Carry laws don't mention it only applying to WI residents, and many states have reciprocity when it comes to gun carry permits (not necessary here, but furthering the residency point).

Edited November 15, 2021 by DocM

[kcbworth]

On 15/11/2021 at 05:05, Emn1ty said:

Do I believe that Rittenhouse overreacted with the use of his firearm? Ye

You seem to be in the minority here. Most people here seem to believe that people deserve to be killed if they throw plastic bags

 

 

[DocM]

On 14/11/2021 at 20:34, kcbworth said:

You seem to be in the minority here. Most people here seem to believe that people deserve to be killed if they throw plastic bags

 

 

It was nore than throwing a plastic bag.

 

A much larger man was chasing KR (retreating as SYG demands) into a blind parking area, cornering him. With no escape route and a stronger opponent KR reached for an "equalizer".

[Sun-Tzu]

On 14/11/2021 at 17:40, DocM said:

It was nore than throwing a plastic bag.

 

A much larger man was chasing KR (retreating as SYG demands) into a blind parking area, cornering him. With no escape route and a stronger opponent KR reached for an "equalizer".

Found this...

https://www.justia.com/criminal/defenses/self-defense/

Self-Defense in Criminal Cases

 

this caught my eye from the webpage.

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A defendant may still claim self-defense if they were the first person to initiate contact. For example, Margot and Maurice get into an argument. Margot throws a book at Maurice’s head. Maurice lifts his fist as he approaches Margot. Thinking that she is certain to be punched if she does not act, Margot punches first. Margot would be able to assert self-defense because a reasonable person would think that physical harm was imminent, and she used reasonable force to prevent the harm. Note that Maurice was not acting in self-defense. The threat had ceased after Margot threw the book. He was instead acting in retaliation.

Rittenhouse didn't shoot first, however. But had he, he could still use the self defense.

 

Added, on x22report.com, b video today, a ben and jerry tweet from said video. the quality is beyond my control sorry

Edited November 15, 2021 by Sun-Tzu

[DocM]

On 14/11/2021 at 22:31, Sun-Tzu said:

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Added, on x22report.com, b video today, a ben and jerry tweet from said video. the quality is beyond my control sorry

 

Fixed

 

[kcbworth]

On 15/11/2021 at 11:40, DocM said:

SYG

Exactly. You seem to laud law that gives a license to kill. It's insane

[margrave]

Those that are dead can never come back.

 

Necromancy is not real.

[DocM]

On 15/11/2021 at 04:21, kcbworth said:

Exactly. You seem to laud law that gives a license to kill. It's insane

 

I'm trying to explain the legal side of this. Many people don't know the law in their own state, and those overseas are in an even larger information  vacuum. 

 

For informations sake, US states and territories with Stand Your Ground, by law or judicial action.

 

An overlapping list of states  states have the Castle Doctrine; it's open season "when the actor reasonably fears imminent peril of death or serious bodily harm to him or herself or another". Home invasion, etc. 

 

Self-defense is also written into red and blue State constitutions and/or statutes, and recognized by the US Supreme Court.

 

AS = American Samoa

DC = District of Columbia

VI = US Virgin Islands

 

Puerto Rico has Stand Your Ground

 

 

Edited November 15, 2021 by DocM

[DocM]

Breaking: the charge of possessing a dangerous weapon has been dismissed.

 

This  was the open carrying by a person under 18 charge, which as noted previously is a nebulously written law with exceptions for those age 15-17.

[Sun-Tzu]

This is what this Rittenhouse case is all about folks... right here...

[Sun-Tzu]

https://nationalfile.com/prosecutor-points-rifle-toward-jury-with-finger-on-trigger-orders-them-to-convict-kyle-rittenhouse-in-closing-statement/

Prosecutor Points Rifle Toward Jury With Finger On Trigger, Orders Them To Convict Kyle Rittenhouse In Closing Statement

Thomas Binger's actions raise eyebrows during state prosecutor's closing argument

 

Look at the DA's finger on the trigger... did he check that the weapon was clear? We don't want any alec baldwin moments right?

 

See a difference? Where's the trigger finger? the DA pointed that firearm, regardless of it being unloaded, at the courtroom.

That's the hallmark of a well trained, and disciplined young man.

 

 

[Sun-Tzu]

It wasn't rittenhouse who crossed state lines. Grosskreutz DID, with a firearm he was not allowed to possess as a felon.

 

[Sun-Tzu]

https://rumble.com/vp1s25-had-to-do-it.html

HAD TO DO IT!!!😂😂😂

[margrave]

He still killed people.

[Sun-Tzu]

On 16/11/2021 at 03:42, margrave said:

He still killed people.

People WITH a gun, or other weaponry. Folks, This is America, this isn't any other country. the founders who had lived in Euro monarchies, knew

that the 2nd amendment, which actually protects all of the OTHER amendments, was a limit to the power of government. instead of top down control,the

founders went with a bottom up approach, where the town/city has the most power, a lot more than the federal government.

 

[Sun-Tzu]

BLM needs to be designated as a terrorist organization

[kcbworth]

I find it fascinating that there are some many extreme partisan posters who do not reply in sentences or conversation, but always just pushing/spewing propaganda in the form of obscure screenshots from otherwise hidden echo chambers. It reminds me exactly of ISIS tactics

[Sun-Tzu]

https://www.independentsentinel.com/kenosha-prosecutors-withheld-crucial-evidence-from-the-defense/

Kenosha Prosecutors Withheld Crucial Evidence from the Defense

 

According to a motion filed today by the defense, “The problem is the prosecution gave the defense a compressed version of the video.”

“What that means is the video provided to the defense was not as clear as the video kept by the state,” the motion states.

Lawyers for Rittenhouse filed their motion for a mistrial with prejudice based on this and several other grounds.

[Sun-Tzu]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10208119/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-NICHOLAS-SANDMANN-media-defamation.html

The corrupt liberal media came for me, just like they came for Kyle Rittenhouse, and if he decides to sue I say go for it and hold the media accountable: NICHOLAS SANDMANN