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On 14/07/2022 at 16:35, wakjak said:

Nah, just being the federalist is all I need, nothing with the word fact comes from that website. Thanks for playing. 

I think 95% of what CNN, MSNBC, Huffing Compost, NY Times, etc. say is crap, but if I am trying to disprove something the article said, I kind of have to read the article. Lest I appear like a moron. 😉 Saying you won't read something is a coward's way of protecting yourself from the possibility of being wrong. There are alphas and there are betas. We all have to be one or the other. I understand.

On 14/07/2022 at 16:39, Yorak said:

I think 95% of what CNN, MSNBC, Huffing Compost, NY Times, etc. say is crap,

Don't forget to add Fox News, Newsmax and OANN to your list ;)

On 14/07/2022 at 16:43, primortal said:

Don't forget to add Fox News, Newsmax and OANN to your list ;)

I disagree with them too. Not as bad as the rest I mentioned, but I find probably 1/3rd of what they say to be crap or just something to fill the silence. And?

On 14/07/2022 at 16:45, Yorak said:

Not as bad as the rest I mentioned

Not surprising in the least you would think that.  They are the kings of lying to the public outright.

On 14/07/2022 at 20:27, Yorak said:

Oh, I see how this works. I call Joe a pedophile, someone says they also shower with their kids, then I get called a pervert.

I thought you had a high IQ?  I am calling you that because you seem overly intrigued by people showering with children!  It's all laid out here - it's not hard to follow.  Do try!

 

On 14/07/2022 at 20:27, Yorak said:

I'm sorry your job at McDonald's isn't working out for you

I have no shame in that I flipped burgers in my teens - I'm not sure how that matters.  Does that also make you more intelligent?  I argue it still plays a part in my life insofar as while I manage IT for a large

 

law firm, I also still have a roll-up-your-sleeves work ethic and don't feel the need to try and brag about a job that nobody here can even verify!

 

On 14/07/2022 at 20:27, Yorak said:

Hey, the world needs these menial jobs.

Yes it does.  I'm sorry - what does that have to do with your fantasies about showering with kids?

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On 14/07/2022 at 17:56, Dick Montage said:

I thought you had a high IQ?  I am calling you that because you seem overly intrigued by people showering with children!  It's all laid out here - it's not hard to follow.  Do try!

 

I have no shame in that I flipped burgers in my teens - I'm not sure how that matters.  Does that also make you more intelligent?  I argue it still plays a part in my life insofar as while I manage IT for a large

 

law firm, I also still have a roll-up-your-sleeves work ethic and don't feel the need to try and brag about a job that nobody here can even verify!

 

Yes it does.  I'm sorry - what does that have to do with your fantasies about showering with kids?

He's one of "those". 

 

The people that think they're above those who do the menial jobs, because we all know HIS job is OH so important and that the world would come to a screeching halt if YORAK were to stop doing his job today.

On 14/07/2022 at 16:56, Dick Montage said:

I thought you had a high IQ?  I am calling you that because you seem overly intrigued by people showering with children!  It's all laid out here - it's not hard to follow.  Do try!

 

I have no shame in that I flipped burgers in my teens - I'm not sure how that matters.  Does that also make you more intelligent?  I argue it still plays a part in my life insofar as while I manage IT for a large

 

law firm, I also still have a roll-up-your-sleeves work ethic and don't feel the need to try and brag about a job that nobody here can even verify!

 

Yes it does.  I'm sorry - what does that have to do with your fantasies about showering with kids?

I just want all pedophiles behind bars. Are you having trouble comprehending that?

Lol, you have no idea how many IT Managers I've met that know absolutely nothing. Managing isn't much of a skill. Anyone with a partially working brain can manage others. Someone mentioned losing brain cells, I responded, wanting to put our brain cells to the test. 😉

 

Now crawl back under your rock and tell me more about how you think pedophilia is just a sexual preference like your buddies. Do you also use crack like Hunter Biden? Or do you only sympathize with the pedophilia portion, not drug usage? Hunter and his daddy have some big issues.

On 14/07/2022 at 16:59, wakjak said:

He's one of "those". 

 

The people that think they're above those who do the menial jobs, because we all know HIS job is OH so important and that the world would come to a screeching halt if YORAK were to stop doing his job today.

The world wouldn't, but the company I work for with over 30,000 employees would. Does that count? 😉

On 14/07/2022 at 18:03, Yorak said:

The world wouldn't, but the company I work for with over 30,000 employees would. Does that count?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA... it's cute that you think you're that important, and irreplaceable. wow... that's... amazing.

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Such a bunch of sados. Warnings will be handed out for derailing the original topic.

 

Just because someone THINKS Joe is creepy, or THINKS he's a pedo does not make it true, it makes you look like a MAGA idiot and such posts do nothing but derail the topic.

 

I challenge you to find such derailing in TFG's President topic, because sadly for many Americans and the rest of the world all of his idiocy is real and verified, 

 

STAY ON TOPIC OR GET OUT.

On 14/07/2022 at 17:03, Yorak said:

I responded, wanting to put our brain cells to the test.

And you think Fox News, Newsmax and OANN are more reputable than CNN, MSNBC, Huffington Post and New York Times.

 

I rest my case :D

On 14/07/2022 at 15:05, Yorak said:

Just so we are clear... pedophilia, sexual abuse on any side of the isle is disgusting and these people should spend life behind bars. The rate of recidivism in pedophiles is higher than any other type of offender, and I do not believe they should see the light of day. They cannot be rehabilitated. Statistically some can, but I'd rather not have society take that risk. Secondly, my point still stands that pedophilia is more prevalent on the left than on the right. Nobody has been able to disprove that yet. I'm looking at numbers alone. I'm aware the right also has our share of disgusting people, though. I never give my side a free pass for anything, especially the aforementioned evil acts. Even when Trump was in office, I commented frequently to friends and family about his rhetoric. Sometimes funny, but distracting, unnecessary and sometimes incorrect. If anything, I am tougher on the right than the left because I am tired of people that don't.

Edit: Typo... hovering over my work keyboard to type on mine.

 

Strange that your second point is that one side is worse then the other while not actually supporting that view with evidence. If you're going to make a claim, back it up. If you can't back it up, that suggests that you might want to reflect as to why your opinion is the way it is when you lack the supporting evidence. 

 

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On 14/07/2022 at 22:03, Yorak said:

I just want all pedophiles behind bars. Are you having trouble comprehending that?

I am, based upon you asking to know about showering with children, yeah!

 

On 14/07/2022 at 22:03, Yorak said:

Lol, you have no idea how many IT Managers I've met that know absolutely nothing

No I don't.  That's an odd claim.

 

On 14/07/2022 at 22:03, Yorak said:

Managing isn't much of a skill

If you say so.  Still not sure of your point here...

 

On 14/07/2022 at 22:03, Yorak said:

Anyone with a partially working brain can manage others.

OK, well keep striving...

 

On 14/07/2022 at 22:03, Yorak said:

Now crawl back under your rock and tell me more about how you think pedophilia is just a sexual preference like your buddies.

Please quote where I have made such an odd claim.  Again, you are the one who has asked to hear more about showering with kids.

 

On 14/07/2022 at 22:03, Yorak said:

Do you also use crack like Hunter Biden?

I don't, do you?  And what does Hunter have to do with literally any part of this conversation?  Deflecting much!

 

On 14/07/2022 at 22:03, Yorak said:

Hunter and his daddy have some big issues

And?

On 14/07/2022 at 23:28, Michael Scrip said:

So is the other thread gone forever?

 

😲

No, I had to stop people posting there temporarily while I dealt with three pages of arguing here.

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The amount of defending of creepy grandpa Joe is laughable.  All the typical excuses: but Trump, but Russia, but January 6th...

It's amazing how many people will go to bat for this guy while he takes a steamy dump on the entire country, and his followers bend over and take it.  Can we ever elect a leader that's not a braindead and senile piece of trash?  Yeesh...

On 14/07/2022 at 18:36, Astra.Xtreme said:

The amount of defending of creepy grandpa Joe is laughable.  All the typical excuses: but Trump, but Russia, but January 6th...

It's amazing how many people will go to bat for this guy while he takes a steamy dump on the entire country, and his followers bend over and take it.  Can we ever elect a leader that's not a braindead and senile piece of trash?  Yeesh...

 

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On 14/07/2022 at 17:36, Astra.Xtreme said:

The amount of defending of creepy grandpa Joe is laughable.  All the typical excuses: but Trump, but Russia, but January 6th...

It's amazing how many people will go to bat for this guy while he takes a steamy dump on the entire country, and his followers bend over and take it.  Can we ever elect a leader that's not a braindead and senile piece of trash?  Yeesh...

 

If there was something there that would be one thing, but what's being implied from the OP is just silly. 

On 14/07/2022 at 13:35, warwagon said:

So, worries let's just all agree to disagree.

You forget, you can't have an opposing opinion as seen from some of these responses.

 

 

On 14/07/2022 at 20:40, shockz said:

Can this one be?

I wish.

 

It's appalling that toxicity is allowed to continue to such crazy levels. People don't stay on topic anyway, not sure why the hell we're worried about it now. People can't even be civil to each other, it's stupidity allowed to run wild.

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On 18/07/2022 at 11:52, dead.cell said:

I wish.

 

It's appalling that toxicity is allowed to continue to such crazy levels. People don't stay on topic anyway, not sure why the hell we're worried about it now. People can't even be civil to each other, it's stupidity allowed to run wild.

nvm

On 18/07/2022 at 12:16, warwagon said:

According to the 1,500+ page Trump page, anything related to Trump was on topic.

Please don't mistake, this braveheart level of paint your face red or blue to bitch at each other has been something that caused me to abandon the forums part of this website for years, including the drivel in that thread. I've occasionally chimed in, but the cesspool it's become, red/blue, left or right, the amount of disrespect people show for each other... it's just too much. If I wanted that crap, I'd stay on Twitter with the other jackasses who continue to fill their days being mad.

 

It's just not healthy. But hey, maybe that's my prerogative. You guys do you, I'm just saying this stuff could've been moderated better a long time ago, but in an age where forums are dying, I get it.

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The app is evolving all the time and has made leaps and bounds since I first started reviewing TerraMaster devices almost three years ago. It is not quite there yet if you are comparing the likes of Synology, which, sadly, a lot of users online do all the time. OpenClaw setup One of the main selling points of the new F4-425 Pro is the inclusion of OpenClaw, with TerraMaster claiming that it is "powered by the world's first AI-native TOS 7 OS, supporting local-first smart workflows and independent data control." However, I immediately ran into problems trying to enable OpenClaw. After waiting 20 minutes at the "Enabling" message of the OpenClaw app following installation, I decided to do some searching online and discovered that it couldn't complete the installation process due to SPC being enabled, which is something TOS 7 immediately recommends to be enabled on first boot. SPC for NAS (TOS 7) is basically the same principle as UAC in Windows; it blocks executables from being launched by non-Super Users. After reaching out to my contact about these issues, I received the following response: Anyway, this only became clear when I closed the OpenClaw app screen and clicked on the OpenClaw icon in the taskbar; that is when I saw the message about disabling SPC. I think, due to the fact that this is a requirement, this should be a prompt during the installation process, not when closing the App Market and then trying to launch OpenClaw. There's also no 'Getting started' guide for people like me who have never used OpenClaw. I tried to add an LLM and discovered the tutorial led nowhere. That's when I started looking around the official TerraMaster forums, and I found a guide that helpfully explains that you won't get anywhere with OpenClaw unless you have a paid plan, which is disappointing because I imagined there would be an option to use a local LLM as I do in SubtitleEdit with Whisper-XXL. In addition, with the marketing imagery on the official site, it says that the OpenClaw feature is "all processed 100% locally for absolute privacy." which led me to believe that I could install a local LLM, not one that required paid tokens. In any case, TerraMaster does not provide guidance for this new feature, which was also a selling point of the F4-425 Pro! My contact also provided clarification about the above points I raised with TerraMaster Since it is not in the scope of the review to add paid services, I'll leave that to the people who are more qualified with OpenClaw. F4-425 Pro Surveillance App TOS also comes with a Surveillance app, which is not installed by default; it can be found in the App Market recommended section. In addition, after installing, it doesn't drop a shortcut on the Desktop or top taskbar, but you can "Send to Desktop" from the App Market listing for the app for a quick way to open it. Adding my Reolink POE doorbell camera was painless. TerraMaster doesn't appear to have a repository of preconfigured cameras; instead, the camera must be added using ONVIF or RTSP. No mobile Surveillance app TerraMaster still doesn't have a dedicated Surveillance app, although from searching online, Surveillance can be used and managed through the TNAS mobile app. I tried this with the updated TNAS mobile app beta in combination with TOS 7 and got a message that Surveillance was "Only accessible through web browser," so I reckon this must be limited to the stable versions of TOS 6 and the mobile app. More quirks In addition, whenever I minimized the Live View window in the browser Surveillance app, the feed appeared to switch to the Low-bandwidth stream, and there was no way to get the High-quality stream back. To get the High-quality stream back, I had to close Live View and then reopen it. Benchmarking A pretty cool feature of the TOS 7 is that it allows you to install directly to the NVMe M.2 SSD. In order to do that, you would have to leave out any HDDs during initialization, and even then, the system partitions are always written to two HDDs when they are eventually added. With three NVMe slots, this also gives an interesting scenario where you could build a TRAID storage Pool for installing all your apps and Docker on, and keep the third for SSD cache on the HDD pool. Limitless options! SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 A CrystalDiskMark test on a mapped network drive from within a Windows 11 25H2 PC (image above) connected over a 5 GbE hub was well within acceptable ranges. Although the read result on SATA was a little less than with the F4-425 Plus, for some reason, while writes were generally better. SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 I also ran the NAS Performance tester, which tests the link speed performance. As you can see, it pretty much maxes out the 5GbE connection. Of course, you can also opt to bond the two 5 GbE connections for a bit more umph, but I didn't do that. TOS 7, which, as of testing, is still in Beta, comes with an App Center that has a bunch of handy programs you can install right off the bat, such as Emby, Plex, Docker, as well as in-house Backup and Surveillance solutions. As you can imagine, any media streaming services you would want to host off the F4-425 Pro will work great, thanks to the Intel Core N350 CPU and its 16 GB of DDR5 memory. Accessing from mobile is only possible if Security Isolation Mode is disabled, which can put your NAS at risk from external sources, so there was no way to access it from the TNAS Mobile app. It's also quiet. I had this sat next to my computer on my work desk for the past week, and I did wonder if the noise I was accustomed to with NAS devices would annoy me, but all I could hear was a soft whirring of the rear fan (which was a little annoying) when the disks were not actively copying or reading data. Conclusion So what have I learned? Unfortunately, this release raises a few important questions and concerns that I feel haven't been adequately addressed. What I didn't like Our variant shipped with TOS 7 beta, and it's advised not to use it in a production environment. I feel that's a bit limiting on an $800 device. The mobile app is also still in beta and does not support some of the first-party apps, like Surveillance, and it still has quite a few bugs. I am a bit confused about the OpenClaw marketing along with the F4-425 Pro. I feel like that if it's going to be a main selling point, then offer official guidance on how to get started with it. TerraMaster recommends enabling SPC, but then markets the NAS for use with OpenClaw, which requires disabling SPC to be able to use it, opening up genuine security concerns for the NAS; and that's before you get into the security concerns of OpenClaw itself. Of course, the above issues won't be a problem if you decide to install something else on it, or even go back to the stable TOS 6. I wish TerraMaster had just given TOS 7 as opt-in rather than shipping with it. TOS 7 has been available as a preview since December 2025 (so well before my last TerraMaster review), and according to a thread on Reddit where a user shared a screenshot from the TerraMaster Facebook page, it is scheduled to launch today, June 23, but there's nothing about that in the TerraMaster news blog. My contact confirmed over email that TOS 7 exits beta today. The rubber feet also deserve a mention as they continue to be a problem, with them coming unstuck the moment you shift the F4-425 Pro anywhere on your desk. What I liked What it comes down to, though, aside from what I already mentioned, you are still getting a quality, affordable device here, so recommending it will depend on the individual's use case. If you're just looking for a relatively small NAS device to manage virtual machines on, backup your files, and take care of your home theater streaming, then it is a great device that will certainly futureproof you for some time. It provides good performance, takes up little space, and is, on the whole, very quiet. Four bays afford proper redundancy using TRAID or RAID 5, and you can even expand on storage capacity by adding the 2-bay D5, or 4-bay D8 Hybrid DAS over a USB 3.2 (10Gbps) link. Considering the 2024 releases were more about power, with the likes of an Intel Core i5-1235U high-end laptop CPU under the hood, I asked my contact last time if we could expect more of the same in higher-end models and was told: It makes a lot of sense to use Intel's N350 chip inside a NAS; it is more than capable of doing what the F4-425 Pro is intended for, media streaming and backup. The only downside is still the clear lack of community and even staff support on the official forums. In the past, I have had topics go unanswered for days, or there would be generic-type "we've noted this and passed it onto our developer team" type responses. Along with the other things I mentioned, it all ends up costing it a couple of points. If you are comfortable with the command line, Docker, and setting up TrueNAS or Unraid, you'll be fine. You can do great things with this hardware. In TOS, the apps are a bit lacking, and things don't always work as expected.\ AI NAS?! What has become clear to me this year is that we are going to start seeing all kinds of "AI NAS" come to market, and while that might be good for us consumers, be diligent and research these claims. Although the F4-425 Pro technically comes with AI, it is really using a cloud service that is externally sourced off-device through the third party OpenClaw app. My colleague did review a newcomer to the NAS space earlier this year, and it includes a local AI assistant inside the Zettlab D4 NAS, and they do not even use AI in the product name, check out Chris' review here. Where to buy and a discount coupon However, it does not change the fact that this is truly a great entry-level home media-class NAS that you can buy right now. TerraMaster is having a 20% off launch discount, plus you can also still apply our unique 10% off coupon on checkout, which only works on the official website. So here is a breakdown of the pricing that is only valid on the official TerraMaster website. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $575.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $503.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £525.59 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £460.79 Use NEOWIN coupon code during checkout for 10% discount Over on Amazon US and UK, the F4-425 Pro also gets a 20% launch discount, but here, the above 10% coupon cannot be applied. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for $639.99 at Amazon US (was $799.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for $559.99 at Amazon US (was $699.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for £583.99 at Amazon UK (was £729.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for £511.99 at Amazon UK (was £639.99) As an Amazon Associate, when you purchase through links on our site, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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