Chicane-UK Veteran Posted October 15, 2004 Veteran Share Posted October 15, 2004 And the 'unless you are American then don't stick your nose in' opinion would be all wonderful and good if the US wasn't stepping on so many f'cking toes in the world right now. It dragged the UK into the Iraq war for example, so because our governments are seemingly so in bed with each other, I feel I am entitled to at least SOME opinion. Please don't misinterpret this as a rant against Americans because it isn't - I have good friends in the USA (even ones who are pro-Bush - we just agree to disagree!), and I think that the country is a great place - I just hate the government and what its doing in the world right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LogicalApex MVC Posted October 15, 2004 MVC Share Posted October 15, 2004 Like I have stated in the past ppl die every day black or white yellow whatever. You have seen black ppl arested just for the hell of it how do you know? Was it your family or drug runner's? I have many black friend's whom get treated with the same respect as I do. I dont know about where you live but to judge the whole US on where you live is stupid. 584738845[/snapback] lol Im not generalizing anyone. The fact remains the social framework of the US is no better than a third world country, but im not arguing the social framework of the country. I' m talking about the screwed up political system. That post was a commnet to him stating that the US is basically some heaven for this world, its not. It would do you and the rest of us some good for you to READ (remember this is a two part process, reading the words AND comprehending them) BEFORE you comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastSamurai Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 cya then. i think i have had enough of politics for the evening...and Last Samurai, if I was an American citizen I would love to be his running mate, i'd just have to brush up on my public speaking. 584738849[/snapback] too bad you aint, cya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernova_00 Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Your argument would be like me saying that America sucks ass because I'm a gay man who can't get married and I don't have equal rights, but wait I don't do that. Why? Because America as a whole doesn't suck ass just because society has differing views on what is socially acceptable and what is not. Complaining about America sucking because I'm a minority just fits the standards of minority groups. The reason America kicks ass is because if you don't like something you can get it changed. If you want to bitch about the "unfree" America, then go write to your Congressmen, start a peaceful assembly and rally some participation. Saying America sucks because of social issues, such as racism, homosexuality, or any others is just plain dumb. Just because you don't like one thing about the country doesn't mean that the country as a whole sucks ######. No offense, but why do minorities always have to whine about the fact that they're a minority. Do they want pity? attention? or just want to bitch? I don't understand the logic, come up with some original reasons for disliking something other than well its because I'm *this*. 584738851[/snapback] *round of applause* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amdme3200 Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Hey if they cant get into shape then we can help them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuffgong4 Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Well I just caught this thread...and of course the tax break that bush put in is for a reason that makes sense if you took the time to look at it... when the tax was put into place the economy was struggling and people were losing jobs, right? ok so you give tax rebates to people who pay the salaries of others and guess what happens...more jobs are around for more people to make more money to put back into the economy which gets the circle going by creating more money being spent which means even more money going to businesses that can create more jobs which in turn blah blah blah you know where I"m going. Personally I don't want Kerry as President because I don't want to be a part of a world community when we should be worrying about ourselves and making this country safe and better to live in. Which from what I see is happening under Bush. Also don't get me wrong I think Bush is a moron, I am a libertarian (not liberal) but he is doing a much better job than Kerry will ever do and we are in the mess we are in because of the previous President (Bubba Clinton) I say that because if you look at the chances he had to stop Bin Laden and other terrorists and put laws in place to give the FBI CIA and NSA more power we would have maybe been able to stop 9/11 from happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazebee_ Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 looks like kerry's winning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amdme3200 Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 That post was a commnet to him stating that the US is basically some heaven for this world, its not. It would do you and the rest of us some good for you to READ (remember this is a two part process, reading the words AND comprehending them) BEFORE you comment. No **** did anyone ever say The USA was perfect ? I did not Im sayn its a hella lot better then other places. We are talking about ppl and we all know ppl are not perfect so no matter where you live ppl live with you im just sayn the USA is better not perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyfrog Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 if you look at the chances he had to stop Bin Laden What about the chances Bush had to capture Bin Laden but then decided to invade Iraq instead. "I'm not concerned about Bin Laden, I just want to get Saddam for my daddy." :no: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custom Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 what do you mean custom? 584738837[/snapback] Everybody knows what Kerry said in the first debate. "Pass a Global Test" I guess its to much for us to ask for help from our socialist allies in Europe even though in the past century we were expected to help them. The UN is the world's most corrupt organization. Try and find something positive that they have done for the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LogicalApex MVC Posted October 15, 2004 MVC Share Posted October 15, 2004 Your argument would be like me saying that America sucks ass because I'm a gay man who can't get married and I don't have equal rights, but wait I don't do that. Why? Because America as a whole doesn't suck ass just because society has differing views on what is socially acceptable and what is not. Complaining about America sucking because I'm a minority just fits the standards of minority groups. The reason America kicks ass is because if you don't like something you can get it changed. If you want to bitch about the "unfree" America, then go write to your Congressmen, start a peaceful assembly and rally some participation. Saying America sucks because of social issues, such as racism, homosexuality, or any others is just plain dumb. Just because you don't like one thing about the country doesn't mean that the country as a whole sucks ######. No offense, but why do minorities always have to whine about the fact that they're a minority. Do they want pity? attention? or just want to bitch? I don't understand the logic, come up with some original reasons for disliking something other than well its because I'm *this*. 584738851[/snapback] I gotta remember that the average person here has a single digit IQ... My post on me being black was a COMMENT on the fact America is NOT a heaven. Now for the rest of your garbage post... I agree with homosexuals that its a shame they cant get married if they choose to. Afterall Church is by law seperate from state in the US. The government is supposed to act for the people. Cant understand how it would hurt the rest of the US if two homosexuals got married... Also i never said America sucked ass because people didnt agree with what i said. I said the US Governement sucks ass and thats what i have been saying the whole time. I' m mearly exposing my opinion, last i looked an American right. Its also not dumb to say America sucks because of things such as Racism or Homosexuality, because they show how much of a hell hole our society is in as a whole. And Minorities donot want attention or some other BS your claiming. I was simply responding to a post... Usually the attention is requested the other way around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amdme3200 Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Damn right we need to make the world right befor we try to better the USA. No matter how good the USA get's wont change what's arround us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmerz28 Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Well I just caught this thread...and of course the tax break that bush put in is for a reason that makes sense if you took the time to look at it...when the tax was put into place the economy was struggling and people were losing jobs, right? ok so you give tax rebates to people who pay the salaries of others and guess what happens...more jobs are around for more people to make more money to put back into the economy which gets the circle going by creating more money being spent which means even more money going to businesses that can create more jobs which in turn blah blah blah you know where I"m going. Personally I don't want Kerry as President because I don't want to be a part of a world community when we should be worrying about ourselves and making this country safe and better to live in. Which from what I see is happening under Bush. Also don't get me wrong I think Bush is a moron, I am a libertarian (not liberal) but he is doing a much better job than Kerry will ever do and we are in the mess we are in because of the previous President (Bubba Clinton) I say that because if you look at the chances he had to stop Bin Laden and other terrorists and put laws in place to give the FBI CIA and NSA more power we would have maybe been able to stop 9/11 from happening 584738876[/snapback] I have to disagree with your logic about the tax cut. Where do you think that money came from? It wasn't just some surplus sitting around. Americans were already losing jobs, the damage had already started. Pulling money that could go for creating new jobs (or where it should go like education, road repair, all that misc crap) just hurt our economy even more. People didn't go out and spend that money, not when the depression that we went through was creeping up, he assumed people would spend that money when in fact they saved it, thus defeating his goal. He should have started making goverment backed jobs like they did the last time we had a little economic burp such as the Hoover Dam and all those alphabet projects, that were created to give Americans jobs. Tax cuts are never good unless there is a surplus, and even if there is that surplus should go back into the road repair, education, beautification, etc. And I fail to see how Clinton got us in this mess. He didn't make up wars and have other countries hate us like Bush did, he just got caught getting some head. :sleep: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amdme3200 Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Yes I do agree that some parts of the Government suck's but like I said its not perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custom Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 From? I didn't know Iraq attacked us. 584738848[/snapback] Sure Iraq didn't attack us, I'll give u that. However what we have created in Iraq is centralized battlefield. Now what would you to like to have? A central place where we can fight the terrorists head on with our best fighters. Or an urban location in the United States where they can attack civilians, or maybe perhaps a school such as in Russia. We need to keep on the offensive. Now I agree that it sucks that our soldiers are dieing but at least they trained to fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyfrog Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 However what we have created in Iraq is centralized battlefield. Why didn't we set up our centralized battlefield in Afghanistan where the terrorists were at the time? Bush said himself that he didn't care where Bin Laden was. He wanted to get Saddam, and that's the only reason we invaded Iraq. Now our forces are spread thin and we have gotten ourselves into a very bad situation. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmerz28 Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 I gotta remember that the average person here has a single digit IQ...My post on me being black was a COMMENT on the fact America is NOT a heaven. Now for the rest of your garbage post... I agree with homosexuals that its a shame they cant get married if they choose to. Afterall Church is by law seperate from state in the US. The government is supposed to act for the people. Cant understand how it would hurt the rest of the US if two homosexuals got married... Also i never said America sucked ass because people didnt agree with what i said. I said the US Governement sucks ass and thats what i have been saying the whole time. I' m mearly exposing my opinion, last i looked an American right. Its also not dumb to say America sucks because of things such as Racism or Homosexuality, because they show how much of a hell hole our society is in as a whole. And Minorities donot want attention or some other BS your claiming. I was simply responding to a post... Usually the attention is requested the other way around... 584738903[/snapback] Perhaps then you would be better saying that our "Society" sucks rather than America. Just because society has screwed up views doesn't mean the country as a whole is worthless. And I don't understand how you can speak for all of America having only seen one little piece of it. Just because where you are from you have some racist haters doesn't mean the rest of America operates that way. And if you didn't want the attention you would have used a unpersonalized reason to say why America's goverment sucks. Such as I don't agree with the education, taxes, foriegn policies, etc. Rather than, I hate the goverment because a cop beat me up, because I was black. Thats like me saying I was almost killed in my own highschool by 10 football players because they found out I was gay, and therefore our education, society and country suck. By that I'm (1) asking attention because its a personalized fact that merits pity and guilt, and (2) just because of a localized incident like that doesn't mean that you can generalize the rest of society to fit that mold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane-UK Veteran Posted October 15, 2004 Veteran Share Posted October 15, 2004 Oh my GOD. Iraq never had the capability to attack the Americans, and it would never HAVE attacked Americans. You are practically on the other side of the WORLD to them! The best they could do was attack neighbouring countries and we all know that. The school in Russia was on the border of Chechnya (not sure on exact spelling) so it was only a matter of time before something like that happened considering the history between the Russians and the Chechnyans! :| Oh and the comment about the UN being corrupt is laugable. I don't know how someone who supports the Bush administration can even keep a straight face and say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allfive6 Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Personally I don't want Kerry as President because I don't want to be a part of a world community 584738876[/snapback] have you ever wonder why the US got attacted in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuffgong4 Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 I have to disagree with your logic about the tax cut. Where do you think that money came from? It wasn't just some surplus sitting around. Americans were already losing jobs, the damage had already started. Pulling money that could go for creating new jobs (or where it should go like education, road repair, all that misc crap) just hurt our economy even more. People didn't go out and spend that money, not when the depression that we went through was creeping up, he assumed people would spend that money when in fact they saved it, thus defeating his goal. He should have started making goverment backed jobs like they did the last time we had a little economic burp such as the Hoover Dam and all those alphabet projects, that were created to give Americans jobs. Tax cuts are never good unless there is a surplus, and even if there is that surplus should go back into the road repair, education, beautification, etc. And I fail to see how Clinton got us in this mess. He didn't make up wars and have other countries hate us like Bush did, he just got caught getting some head. :sleep: 584738915[/snapback] People hated us long before Bush so that makes no sense...also if you hear anything that former Clinton aide Dick Morris says which I'm sure you haven't informed your self on it, is that he pleaded with Clinton over and over to get more head strong when it came to terrorism and when terrorist were responsible for the first bombing of the WTC and the USS Cole he did nothing...also at one point the SUdanese had Bin Laden in their country and didn't know what to do with him so they asked the US under Clinton if we wanted him and what we should do with him and Clinton's people said to send him to Saudi Arabia (which didn't want him) and then he finally ended up in Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Xinok Subscriber² Posted October 15, 2004 Subscriber² Share Posted October 15, 2004 I've read quite a few things in this post and would like to say a few things: The government isn't perfect... but we surely could improve a few things "Iraqis don't want freedom"... This is a bunch of crap. There are people killing our troops and beheading others, but this is only a small percentage of them. A majority of Iraqis want freedom, a few don't. Black, white, yellow, purple... I'm not a racist, I'll leave it at that. Now I shall be flamed for no good reason... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane-UK Veteran Posted October 15, 2004 Veteran Share Posted October 15, 2004 Well I liked Clinton. He was making some real progress in Northern Ireland for starters.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LogicalApex MVC Posted October 15, 2004 MVC Share Posted October 15, 2004 Perhaps then you would be better saying that our "Society" sucks rather than America. Just because society has screwed up views doesn't mean the country as a whole is worthless. And I don't understand how you can speak for all of America having only seen one little piece of it. Just because where you are from you have some racist haters doesn't mean the rest of America operates that way. And if you didn't want the attention you would have used a unpersonalized reason to say why America's goverment sucks. Such as I don't agree with the education, taxes, foriegn policies, etc. Rather than, I hate the goverment because a cop beat me up, because I was black. Thats like me saying I was almost killed in my own highschool by 10 football players because they found out I was gay, and therefore our education, society and country suck. By that I'm (1) asking attention because its a personalized fact that merits pity and guilt, and (2) just because of a localized incident like that doesn't mean that you can generalize the rest of society to fit that mold. 584738949[/snapback] Dont understand the definition of a comment it seems... Maybe you should re-learn phonics then return to comment. I have given countless reasons in this thread why the US Govt. sucks (which is what i have been arguing). I wont go on arguing with you about that one post your dragging on about. Theres no reason. You cant seem to read so why argue about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amdme3200 Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 have you ever wonder why the US got attacted in the first place. 584738952[/snapback] That was not a nice thing to say im holding my toung for that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolmonk Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Damn right we need to make the world right befor we try to better the USA. No matter how good the USA get's wont change what's arround us. 584738906[/snapback] Why must we always get into other countries' businesses?? I visited France, South America, and Laos in the past 2 years and overseas...people don't think too highly of Bush always trying to play the part of a savior. Imagine other countries always coming to the US and telling us what to do and taking over our military bases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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