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[gregb0b]

just got the trial online but it wont let me invite people into my group which is a bit rubbish, i need to make it into a full one but it says i need a Retail Authentication Key, where can i get one from its late and all the shops are shut what is this key anyway? Cant i just give my credit card details and they change trial into fulll?

yup, just fill it out under the account administration page on the WoW Website :)

Trials are limited to no trading, level 20, no group invites, and no whispers...Its the first game I've seen that has a "TRIAL" account that doesn't let you actually TRY most of the game lol.

[the evn show]

I just would like to say that Tier 5 itself doesnt suck but rather the zones the gear is in do. We're on kael and I cant wait till kill him and slowly phase out SSC and later tempest keep. We've actually gotten to the point where our alts will be coming in for some of the Tier 5 drops.

That's what I meant.

The gear is fine, the content mostly sucks. The boss encounters are fun-enough the first time through but they quickly lose thier shine (vashj + kael the notable exceptions). The rest of the zones: architecture, trash, lesser bosses, etc. are just plain bad. A step up from MC but no where near later AQ/Naxx quality.

[Noveed]

yeah just tried managing my existing account and it did not work it asking for a key, im willing to buy a key but want one right now :p where can i get one from at this point where it would get mailed directly EU Key to my email

[Golferjim]

ALLIANCE

HORDE

what is that gear they are wearing... and were do you get it from.. thanks :D

[gregb0b]

That gear is from the PTR. Its models are from the instance called Sunwell Plateau (New 25 man, and new 5 man in patch 2.4). It's assumed s4 arena gear will be the same skin, but different color... just like everything other season.

[Bawx]

Joana's leveling guide :). I've have used it for 4 of my characters now

http://www.joanasworld.com/ It's 100% Legal, Its basically a step by step guide on what quests to do etc.

37$ for a guide? Damn.

Bawx, are you Horde or Alliance?

I use Jame's Horde Leveling Guide which is totally free and absolutely fantastic and very very quick. If you are looking for something free now, and easy to print out and understand, grab it.

Here's the Alliance version

That's what I've used since about 25, 38 now. It's awesome. Not always perfect for me, sometime I don't wtf quest he's talking about and just do my own thing for a bit, but yeah I'm leveling damn fast with it.

I have some questions about Arena. WTF is it? Do I need a teamate at all times? What is PVP gear? Is it free to play Arena? Is it like Counter-Strike you basically fight the other team? What do you win?

[Slane]

Does it not occur to you that you getting upset about a game does not show signs you yourself need a break from the 25 mans?

Truest statement i've read in the past few pages.

[Mrcookjr]

Truest statement i've read in the past few pages.

+1 Glad to see someone else promoting that people take breaks.

[Lord Nite]

+1 Glad to see someone else promoting that people take breaks.

I take breaks, all the time, from the game....

I break when I sleep..

I break when I eat..

I break when I work...

:p

[Art3x]

I have some questions about Arena. WTF is it? Do I need a teamate at all times? What is PVP gear? Is it free to play Arena? Is it like Counter-Strike you basically fight the other team? What do you win?

Arenas are basically team based pvp, where the winner is the team that survives. You can either have 2 v 2, 3 v 3, or 5 v 5. Based on how you do, ie win or lose, you get a rating. The higher the rating, the more arena points you get to spend on gear.

I find it loads of fun. Unfortunately depending on your class, you usually get pigeonholed into certain roles. Either way its lots of fun, and a great challenge.

[the evn show]

I have some questions about Arena.

It's small-group 'death match' style play. You form a team for 2v2, 3v3 or 5v5 and play against another team of the same number: last team with 1 member standing wins.

You're match against teams with a 'rating' similar to your own. If you win your team rating will increase, if you lose it will drop.

Every Tuesday teams are awarded 'arena points' depending on their rating: higher rated teams get more points. The arena points accumulate over time and can be used to purchase arena pvp gear.

What is PVP gear?

Gear with stats oriented towards player-vs-player combat. Typically the gear is high in stamina and resilience but lacks stats useful for player vs environment (like +hit, +dmg, +heal, etc).

Compare Season 2 to Tier 5

The Season 2 set has about 25% more health, truck-loads of resilience (which is the premier damage-reducing stat for PVP).

The Tier 5 set has about 15% more spell damage, much more +spell hit, a little bit of spell haste.

Also the difference in trickets: PVP gear is about staying alive and mobile, the PVE trinkets are for increasing damage delt. (neither of these sets are optimal - I just picked roughly similar quality gear for example purposes).

Edited March 6, 2008 by the evn show

[Bawx]

Oh ok. How do you form a team, is there a sign up form or is it like joining a guild in-game? How many points do you need to get decent gear? Does it take like 20 Arena matches or what.

[Golferjim]

Oh ok. How do you form a team, is there a sign up form or is it like joining a guild in-game? How many points do you need to get decent gear? Does it take like 20 Arena matches or what.

To form an arena team you need to go to Nagrand arena in Nagrand, talk to the arena master and pick the size of team you would like to make.. the options of 2v2, 3v3 and 5v5.

Once you get your team formed you can start getting the games underway.. sign up in any main town at the arena master. Depending on the size of your team and your rating will depend on how many points you get on Tuesday maintenance..

Before you go rushing into the arena world.. you wont to get pvp gear with resilience on it ( providing that you did not no that ).. Arena is a whole new factor in comparison to pve.. you need resilience to make you take less damage be crit less, so do regular pvp for the ' Gladiators ' gear.. that will start you of, the more the better. So once you have more of the you will win more games in arena depending on your team make up and the skill you have..

It will take a lot more then 20 arena games to start getting the ' Vengeful Gladiators ' gear.. As I said up above the higher the rating you have the more points you will get on Tuesday. As for the amount of points you need to get ' Vengeful Gladiators ' the gear varies from 1150 points plus, and for the shoulders you need 1500 with a PERSONAL rating of 2000, For the weapons there expensive around 1750 plus points, ( not to sure if you still need the personal rating for weapons anymore ).

Hope that answered all your questions about arena :D, and good luck hope to Vs you sometime..

[Mrcookjr]

Jesus I just caught myse;f almost wanting to download the client anc lg back in. Then I started thinking of the tedious runs and Darkshire... Back to DoD lol.

[Golferjim]

Jesus I just caught myse;f almost wanting to download the client anc lg back in. Then I started thinking of the tedious runs and Darkshire... Back to DoD lol.

those were they days :D

[Dotdot]

Anyone got any tips for Kael thas. Were on phase 4 (consistently) and it seems that were slowly but surely getting killed off in that phase. So far i think 70% on kael is our best.

Im told also once we hit phase 5 things become easy mode and its just a case of gettin him down.

[the evn show]

Anyone got any tips for Kael thas. Were on phase 4 (consistently) and it seems that were slowly but surely getting killed off in that phase. So far i think 70% on kael is our best.

The fight is mostly about execution.

Are you going in to phase 4 with all the adds down? If you're not at least burning down Capernerian when kael breaks free then it's going to be messy (people are spread out leading to no healing on mind controls breaks, untanked phoenixes etc). Make sure the DPS knows the priority: Shock Barrier > Eggs > Kael > Phoenix.

Doesn't sound like your tank is getting owned by pyroblast so you've got the DPS to win. Sounds like people just need to work on not standing in a fire.

Pro tip: Keep a list of people that die to Thaladred, flame strike, or phoenixes: don't invite them to Archimonde, they'll just make you sad.

Im told also once we hit phase 5 things become easy mode and its just a case of gettin him down.

Shock barrier stops being a concern, mind control ends, and you spend a lot of time in the air so flame patches/phoenixes are much less threatening. It's pretty much the "You Win!" phase like Solarian's Voidwalker phase. Phase 2 heroic 5-man Kael is harder than 25-man man phase 5, I suspect that the orbs of doom are actually what they had intended for phase 5 but we got stuck with the stupid "beams of don't hurt" instead.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

Guys im about to start up WoW again and I think im going to go a rogue.

Alliance, going for the usual PVE stuff, but for the first time I'm going to try out some PVP - Arena/Battlefields ect.

For the past year or so, I've always gone a hunter for PVE and for how good they are at soloing. My real life friend plays on the same server as me now, and he's a hunter, so im not wanting to play hunter as well.

I have a 68 hunter on the server anyway.

What would you guys recommend for class, and do you have any tips/good leveling builds for a rogue?

Thanks

ps. Any addons/plugins that are a must for rogues as well? All the addons I have just now are geared for hunters.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

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I take no responsibility for this UI pack. I'm not sure if it'll work. Hell I'm not sure if it will nuke your PC, turn you in to a terrorist or help you find WMDs.

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Thanks for sharing!

One thing though Spookie, I thought by using your UI pack everything would be setup by default?

This is an old char I tested your pack with,

As you can see some things are setup ok, but much is missing like the clock, character bar top left, ect.

Do I have to setup the rest myself or have I made mistakes installing?

[Ash]

Guys im about to start up WoW again and I think im going to go a rogue.

Alliance, going for the usual PVE stuff, but for the first time I'm going to try out some PVP - Arena/Battlefields ect.

For the past year or so, I've always gone a hunter for PVE and for how good they are at soloing. My real life friend plays on the same server as me now, and he's a hunter, so im not wanting to play hunter as well.

I have a 68 hunter on the server anyway.

What would you guys recommend for class, and do you have any tips/good leveling builds for a rogue?

Thanks

ps. Any addons/plugins that are a must for rogues as well? All the addons I have just now are geared for hunters.

If your 68 now I would finish up just to hit 70. Won't take long and Netherstorm is my fav zone in Outland.

Maybe try a Feral (cat based) Druid instead of rogue! I loved Feral Druid out of all character I've tried. Leveling I was outkilling any other players except some mages were dropping mobs just a slight bit quicker, but not much. I was out killing everyone else though!

All depends, though there are advantages to both. Rogue has lockpick, distract and pickpocket,

With a feral cat druid, you have good buffs, healing ability, bear form for when the **** hits the fan, teleport to moonglade (especially good for later levels if you are alliance for quick access to darnassus, felwood, winterspring, azshara), entangling roots for multi-mob fights, 30% movement speed while in cat form (including when stealthed) and 5g flight form at 68 making your final 2 levels great because you bypass a lot of the crap and its insta cast so you can jump off a bridge and turn into the hawk in mid air (as long as your not in combat). Plus you don't really care about upgrading your weapon cosntantly... I dropped a +str +agi blue rare mace from gnomeregan that I carried over 20 levels.

The only things I didn't like about druid was the first 20 levels are fairly painful, cool looking gear for the most part gets wasted because your in cat form most of the time and weapon proc enchants are useless (like fiery weapon or crusader!)

Hell I loved druid so much I am tempted to roll a Tauren one!

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

If your 68 now I would finish up just to hit 70. Won't take long and Netherstorm is my fav zone in Outland.

Maybe try a Feral (cat based) Druid instead of rogue! I loved Feral Druid out of all character I've tried. Leveling I was outkilling any other players except some mages were dropping mobs just a slight bit quicker, but not much. I was out killing everyone else though!

All depends, though there are advantages to both. Rogue has lockpick, distract and pickpocket,

With a feral cat druid, you have good buffs, healing ability, bear form for when the **** hits the fan, teleport to moonglade (especially good for later levels if you are alliance for quick access to darnassus, felwood, winterspring, azshara), entangling roots for multi-mob fights, 30% movement speed while in cat form (including when stealthed) and 5g flight form at 68 making your final 2 levels great because you bypass a lot of the crap and its insta cast so you can jump off a bridge and turn into the hawk in mid air (as long as your not in combat). Plus you don't really care about upgrading your weapon cosntantly... I dropped a +str +agi blue rare mace from gnomeregan that I carried over 20 levels.

The only things I didn't like about druid was the first 20 levels are fairly painful, cool looking gear for the most part gets wasted because your in cat form most of the time and weapon proc enchants are useless (like fiery weapon or crusader!)

Hell I loved druid so much I am tempted to roll a Tauren one!

Yeah it's a toss up between Druid and Rogue.

Is stealth pretty similar between both?

As my friend is a hunter, would you say a druid is more useful if we are going to do 2v2 PVP?

[Sethos]

Yes, I'd pick druid any day! Currently leveling one myself.

Druids are a ton of fun, great damage, healing abilities and you never get bored with them.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

Yes, I'd pick druid any day! Currently leveling one myself.

Druids are a ton of fun, great damage, healing abilities and you never get bored with them.

Awesome, I think I'll do a Druid to 30ish and see how I feel. If I don't like I'll try a rogue.

Everyone says 1-20 is bad though :p

[Ash]

Yeah it's a toss up between Druid and Rogue.

Is stealth pretty similar between both?

As my friend is a hunter, would you say a druid is more useful if we are going to do 2v2 PVP?

Stealth is pretty much the same when you put the talents into it, but Cat moves faster when stealthed (you wanna put 2 points in feral swiftness)... the main difference is Feral cat is a bit trickier because you can't distract (like a rogue) so sometimes you'll be sneaking up on a mob and it will turn around on your and see you, but when you get the hang of it it doesn't happen too often. The multiple benefits outweigh the loss of distraction and lock pick in my opinion though.

There are a couple more beneifits to Rogue I forgot about, cripping poison is good for slowing down mobs when they run and kick can stop a mob from casting a heal/bad spell... cat druids have neither ability... but then you kill things so much faster it doesn't matter too much!

Oh ya another small benefit with Druid, though it doesn't happen often sometimes there will be mobs who can run away really fast or throws a trap on you so it can run, you can use moonfire to finish him off whereas a rogue, you have to hope that your ranged weapon will be able to finish him before he finds help.

As for 2v2 I really can't say I haven't done much PvP at all and never tried arena.

Everyone says 1-20 is bad though

1-9 you only have your damage spells to do harm, melee combat isn't overly viable.

10-19 you have bear form but you don't got many of the talents that improve damage output much so its time consuming in bear form all the time and in non bear form your spells ain't too lethal.

20 is cat form... thats when you start to really do dmg.

I'd say try to about 40 instead of 30... though I loved it by 20 and a half!

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

Stealth is pretty much the same when you put the talents into it, but Cat moves faster when stealthed (you wanna put 2 points in feral swiftness)... the main difference is Feral cat is a bit trickier because you can't distract (like a rogue) so sometimes you'll be sneaking up on a mob and it will turn around on your and see you, but when you get the hang of it it doesn't happen too often. The multiple benefits outweigh the loss of distraction and lock pick in my opinion though.

There are a couple more beneifits to Rogue I forgot about, cripping poison is good for slowing down mobs when they run and kick can stop a mob from casting a heal/bad spell... cat druids have neither ability... but then you kill things so much faster it doesn't matter too much!

Oh ya another small benefit with Druid, though it doesn't happen often sometimes there will be mobs who can run away really fast or throws a trap on you so it can run, you can use moonfire to finish him off whereas a rogue, you have to hope that your ranged weapon will be able to finish him before he finds help.

As for 2v2 I really can't say I haven't done much PvP at all and never tried arena.

1-9 you only have your damage spells to do harm, melee combat isn't overly viable.

10-19 you have bear form but you don't got many of the talents that improve damage output much so its time consuming in bear form all the time and in non bear form your spells ain't too lethal.

20 is cat form... thats when you start to really do dmg.

I'd say try to about 40 instead of 30... though I loved it by 20 and a half!

Thanks!

What should I do with my talent tree between 10-20 to make things as easy as?