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[Miuku.]

well I imagine thats because Droods are a Hybrid class, Wait all 3 of my 80's are Hybrids...damnit! i might have to get my dps guys up :p

"Bring the player, not the class" ;-)

[gigapixels Veteran]

DPS meters don't mean diddly.

You can roll a warlock, get mediocre gear and roll your face on the keyboard and you'll always be in the top when it comes to dps.

Then as a comparison, roll a druid, go boomkin and no matter how well you play, no matter how good your gear is, how perfect your talent build is and how precisely you execute your abilities, you will NEVER be top dps. Not even close. Guys with vastly worse gear will ALWAYS outperform you and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.

Okay, let me put it this way: my gearscore is about average but I'm the one who does what I need to do, does great DPS, and doesn't die to stupid **** ;)

[Got3n]

Did the most horrible achievement last night, took 22 minutes in 25man on my alt! lol. My main doesnt even have this.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-achieve...&n=Ekliptic

http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=3814

[Shaun N.]

Wow...

Good job!

[Prosidius]

Kicked ass In heroic toc 25. Downed lord jaraxxus and faction champs. Both server firsts

[Eric Veteran]

So yeah had a pretty big noob moment today. Was sitting at the start of AV not really paying attenion when I see Blah from blah has reported you afk type /afk to clear it.........yeah I typed /afk. Now if I see him again Im gonna MD drek onto him.

Report 'em for griefing. They tricked you into throwing yourself out of the battleground. The real "AFK" system gives you a debuff not a message.

[Got3n]

Report 'em for griefing. They tricked you into throwing yourself out of the battleground. The real "AFK" system gives you a debuff not a message.

Shhh... i use that macro all the time for our xrealm premades!!!! dont let them in on the secrets. Speaking of which, last AV weekend I did some xrealm premades and maxed out honor twice ^_^

[Eric Veteran]

Shhh... i use that macro all the time for our xrealm premades!!!! dont let them in on the secrets. Speaking of which, last AV weekend I did some xrealm premades and maxed out honor twice ^_^

Watch out... I have a couple o' people on my "friends" list that got account actions for doing that. :)

[Noveed]

DPS meters don't mean diddly.

You can roll a warlock, get mediocre gear and roll your face on the keyboard and you'll always be in the top when it comes to dps.

Then as a comparison, roll a druid, go boomkin and no matter how well you play, no matter how good your gear is, how perfect your talent build is and how precisely you execute your abilities, you will NEVER be top dps. Not even close. Guys with vastly worse gear will ALWAYS outperform you and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.

I do not agree with this at all. Blizzard made the Hybrid/Pure divide much closer in wotlk, some say pure should do roughly 5% more than hybrid.

A lock with a mediocre score should not out dps a druid with an insane (maybe not insane but easily achievable) gear score of maybe 4800+ unless the druid does not know how to play his/her class.

DPS/Damage Done meters may not mean everything but at the end of the day they mean something, they can show players who do not know how to play thier class most of the time.

I see ret pallies and dks doing great dps, in some cases do equal if not better dps than thier pure counterparts.

5%(if it is actually 5%) difference between pure/hybrid maybe not mean much but sometimes rng can cause some meters to show different results. Sometimes people can strike it lucky with crit after crit after crit.

I think TBC it was clear to see the good players and bad ones, its a bit harder to see the same trend in wotlk but gear score i think is a good way to determine this.

When forming raids i do not tend to discriminate people who do not have achievements or a decent gear score, all i ask is if they are competant and can play thier class, in addition i give a friendly warning that if they suck then they will get the boot. I have come accross players who have over 5k gear score and they can only pull 3-4k dps on bosses like patchwerk (thats pures as well as hybrids) To me that says either they can not play thier class or have a bad rotation/spec/internet conenction. Players with that kind of gear score should be capable of doing more much more than that in a fully raid buffed environment. It is funny sometimes out dps'ing some people whilst im using aspect of the viper, that is pure comedy wow is full of terribads.

[Minifig]

I goto bed one night with like, TONS of stuff in the auction house, and the next morning I log in ..

125 gold and like 78 silver sitting in my inbox when I wake up.

:D

Gotta love it.

[PurePhoenix]

where the hell do you guys get your info?

DPS meters don't mean diddly.

You can roll a warlock, get mediocre gear and roll your face on the keyboard and you'll always be in the top when it comes to dps.

My boomkin at 74 matches an 80 arc/frost mage with 2k spellpower.

My boomkin has 1.1k spellpower =/

There is no chance that statement is accurate, you're obviously comparing very bad players against a good warlock.

[dead.cell]

I do not agree with this at all. Blizzard made the Hybrid/Pure divide much closer in wotlk, some say pure should do roughly 5% more than hybrid.

A lock with a mediocre score should not out dps a druid with an insane (maybe not insane but easily achievable) gear score of maybe 4800+ unless the druid does not know how to play his/her class.

DPS/Damage Done meters may not mean everything but at the end of the day they mean something, they can show players who do not know how to play thier class most of the time.

I see ret pallies and dks doing great dps, in some cases do equal if not better dps than thier pure counterparts.

5%(if it is actually 5%) difference between pure/hybrid maybe not mean much but sometimes rng can cause some meters to show different results. Sometimes people can strike it lucky with crit after crit after crit.

I think TBC it was clear to see the good players and bad ones, its a bit harder to see the same trend in wotlk but gear score i think is a good way to determine this.

When forming raids i do not tend to discriminate people who do not have achievements or a decent gear score, all i ask is if they are competant and can play thier class, in addition i give a friendly warning that if they suck then they will get the boot. I have come accross players who have over 5k gear score and they can only pull 3-4k dps on bosses like patchwerk (thats pures as well as hybrids) To me that says either they can not play thier class or have a bad rotation/spec/internet conenction. Players with that kind of gear score should be capable of doing more much more than that in a fully raid buffed environment. It is funny sometimes out dps'ing some people whilst im using aspect of the viper, that is pure comedy wow is full of terribads.

Completely agree with you. I mean, if all you can do is DPS, you better damn well be able to have at least some minimal advantage at the very least! This is coming from someone who doesn't play a pure DPS class either...

That said, when it comes to DPS, I'm not the best geared in the guild, but I certainly have the skill. Don't mean to sound like a "bragger", but it's pretty true at least. I mean, I can't tell you guys how many times I've come across people with such awesome gear only for me to blow them out of the water. In many cases, it seems some people either don't know how to play their class or don't know HOW TO ****ING MOVE!!! I swear, some people are about as mobile as a concrete block... How can you DPS when you're not even in swinging range of the mob? Or as a caster, staying in range or making sure the mob is in your line of sight. Sheesh...

I'm usually in the top 3 DPS whenever I group with guildies, raid, or pug. Haven't really done the 3.1 or 3.2 dungeons / raids yet (excluding ToC and H ToC of course). New guild is new.

I goto bed one night with like, TONS of stuff in the auction house, and the next morning I log in ..

125 gold and like 78 silver sitting in my inbox when I wake up.

:D

Gotta love it.

lol, I make roughly 145g just selling a Titansteel Bar. :p

Edited October 22, 2009 by dead.cell

[Minifig]

lol, I make roughly 145g just selling a Titansteel Bar. :p

Yeah, I know.. but when you get 125 gold from .. what appears to be pure junk? It feels damn good, ya know?

Heh, I just made a great request on the Cataclysm boards.

[dead.cell]

Yeah, I know.. but when you get 125 gold from .. what appears to be pure junk? It feels damn good, ya know?

Heh, I just made a great request on the Cataclysm boards.

Oh definitely! My girlfriend jumped on my character one day a few months back, and while I was watching her, I asked her to grab whatever was in the mail for me. She seemed amazed that I was selling things like clefthoof meat and junk for such ridiculous amounts of gold. :p

This is why my best advice to those looking for money is to always do some research on any white items you plan on just vendoring. Giant Eggs and Tangy Clam Meat are just a few pricey white items I can think of off the top of my head that can sell quite good, depending on your server / faction.

[Miuku.]

There is no chance that statement is accurate, you're obviously comparing very bad players against a good warlock.

I guess I'm both bad and good then. I'm comparing my own boomer (5100gs) compared to my less equipped (4800gs) warlock. I've been playing both chars for a few years now and I'm pretty sure I've gotten the "let's push this macro here" to as close to perfection as it's possible with my latency and barring other game issues.

There is no way on earth I can match the pure raw dps output of my destro lock on my boomer, no matter how well I execute my abilities and I'm hardly alone in this and we're not talking "5%" here or there. EJ seems to agree with me as do many super high end guild boomers and other players.

I'm not whining nor complaining, I'm merely stating that class has much more to do with "shining in DPS meters" than 'skill'. I used to top HPS in TBC because I played a healer shaman - no other class could come even close to my healing, except on some very rare instances on certain bosses.

Edit: Fixed GS on Warlock. Just checked in game :p

[Noveed]

I guess I'm both bad and good then. I'm comparing my own boomer (5100gs) compared to my less equipped (4800gs) warlock. I've been playing both chars for a few years now and I'm pretty sure I've gotten the "let's push this macro here" to as close to perfection as it's possible with my latency and barring other game issues.

There is no way on earth I can match the pure raw dps output of my destro lock on my boomer, no matter how well I execute my abilities and I'm hardly alone in this and we're not talking "5%" here or there. EJ seems to agree with me as do many super high end guild boomers and other players.

I'm not whining nor complaining, I'm merely stating that class has much more to do with "shining in DPS meters" than 'skill'. I used to top HPS in TBC because I played a healer shaman - no other class could come even close to my healing, except on some very rare instances on certain bosses.

Edit: Fixed GS on Warlock. Just checked in game :p

I am not up to date with it on locks and Boomers at the moment, dont have a lock or boomkin. However from a hunter and DK point of view BM sucks and usually you do not see many raiders raiding with it. MM is great if you stack Arpen. SV is great if you stack agi. When raiding MM and SV are the way to go. With DKs i see Blood DKs facerolling meters and Unholy also doing nice aoe dps, generally i do not see a frost dps in raids. I have seen feral druids in very comparable and similar GS to mine output silly dps in both raids and instances sometimes they are hitting 7k dps on single target boss encounters which i most of the time cant keep up with ;)

My point is its not just the class its also the spec that class is using too that will determine the dps you output. Training dummies are not accurate at all to show what dps you will do in raids. Probably good to practice rotations but not ideal to calculate dps. If that is where you are getting your readings from i suggest form a raid and get a setup/buffs that would suit your boomkin. See if that inflates the dps at all.

In Raids if i get BoK/BoM and the feral crit buff im laughing, stam in int buffs also do contribute to my AP but i can whack out loads of dps, anything extra is just a bonus for me in terms of buffs.

Dont get me wrong mate i did not say you were a good/bad player i am sure you will do decent dps on both of you characters.

[Miuku.]

If that is where you are getting your readings from i suggest form a raid and get a setup/buffs that would suit your boomkin. See if that inflates the dps at all.

I never try the dummies since they're not horribly inaccurate, I usually compare the DPS stats from Ulduar HC runs or T10/T25 HC. Yes, hugely nerdy :/

[Minifig]

Heh, I just made a great request on the Cataclysm boards.

:rofl: .

Someone linked me to this:

[PurePhoenix]

There is no way on earth I can match the pure raw dps output of my destro lock on my boomer, no matter how well I execute my abilities and I'm hardly alone in this and we're not talking "5%" here or there. EJ seems to agree with me as do many super high end guild boomers and other players.

The others have touched upon gear focus and speccing right, which is indeed 80% or so of your dps if you play a class that can stick to a rotation.

The biggest problem is, EJ are over-rated. Remember when hunters were supposed to be rediculously over-powered just when steadyshot got changed so it didn't reset the shot timer?

Well i had 3 70 hunters in the guild and a few others in TBC all perfect steadyshot and rapidfire techniques, still none of them came close to matching my rogue or even my housemates' prot paladin if we 5-manned. Fair enough alot has changed since then, but this isn't a point about hunters. This is apoint about EJ being theorycrafting tards who like to circle-jerk and who don't actually get their data & strategies correct.

Boomkins cannot stick to rotations, there is simply too much dps lost on Eclipse procs if your rotation dictates you stick to wrath spam

Personally i find that as your spellpower scales, so does the viabilty of just spamming starfire >.> Yes it sounds noob.

Yes it will pull on crit chains*. But give it a shot without changing your spec to suite it and just see what kind of a difference there is.

Because the extra dps, crit chance and etc from Moonfire/IS is so low, it's very quickly negated by the 1.5s GCD.

For example, especially during an eclipse proc, stopping starfire to keep IS/Moonfire up is just a terrible thing to do.

One starfire crit is all you might actually get out of an eclipse proc, and stopping it to cast IS/MF is 3s used on the 2.5s cast time of Starfire =/

For teh sake of say, 5k from MF and 5k from IS you've just sacrificed a 20-30k starfire crit.

[Art3x]

I did 10 man VoA last night with a holy priest and myself, a resto shaman, as the only healers. The holy priest I knew before we started was terrible, as I have known him for a while. I ended up doing 4.5k hps on Koralon and the priest barely did 1.2k. We then proceded to Emalon where I effectively solo healed it.

His gear score was pretty decent and he had all the necessary achievements, but gear and achievements dont mean skill.

Also, 4.5k hps is ridiculous :(

[PurePhoenix]

Yea, resto shammies can be pretty awesome healers. I would say they need to be a little over-geared to make it through some of the longer fights due to mana issues, but i haven't seen a good resto shammy in a long time.

Wtf is with the priest doing 1.2k lol? if he's G-healing for 12k non-crit he should have been doing closer to 4k alongside you :x

Alright, lets stop that discussion before we go far too far in depth.

Kudos to you for the 4.5k hps man :D

[gigapixels Veteran]

My buddy is a resto shaman and he rocks every raid we do. He's generally 1 or 2 in healing done. He's kind of why I started my shaman; I wanted a really fun healing class and he said he enjoyed it over a druid.

Now, though, I'm loving enhancement. I'm only 52, but damn, enhancement is awesome. I'm like a lightning storm with legs. I can't wait to see how I do in Northrend dungeons.

[PurePhoenix]

Yea, i really don't understand why enh shammies don't use that more often. It owns =/

There are quite a few spell-stat heavy enhancement builds for solo/farming... maybe even raiding if the threat is not an issue.

The viability of these builds comes directly from being able to dual weild AND storm strike AND get high power casts off.

[Colin.B]

Also, if you haven't seen them, more tier 10 sets:

Priest: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images...riesttier10.jpg

Paladin: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images...ladintier10.jpg

Warlock: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images...arlock_male.jpg

Mage: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images...0_mage_male.jpg

Wtf is with the pink collar on the paladin armour?

[Lucian23]

Bah your US :(