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[Minifig]

Good reason. Go faceroll an easy instance to see how raiders of your guild would work together. Makes sense, but if that's the DPS ya'll pulled on Thad, then everyone needs to work on rotation, proper talents, and gearing. Serious, no offense man but as a warrior tank running Naxx10 in a mixture of T6/Heroic gear, the Tuesday after LK launch, I was pulling 2.5k DPS on the fight. The dps I had was usually upward of 4-5k. With anyone being able to snag T9 and other accessories via badge gear (and lower badge gear) you should all be higher. No offense meant, but I would personalyl push to have that raised.

Wow. You sure are cocky aren't you?

We. were. not. trying.

That's exactly the point your missing. It went directly over your head.

Please come back when you understand that and stop insulting my guild.

[gigapixels Veteran]

Nobody's being mean or insulting, just honest. I pull 4.5k+ single-target DPS on my Mage in T9 in heroics on trash, also without trying. There's only so much you can pin on "not trying." The people on that meter need to work on rotations, enchants, etc. if you want to progress to any more content.

[Shaun N.]

Wow. You sure are cocky aren't you?

We. were. not. trying.

That's exactly the point your missing. It went directly over your head.

Please come back when you understand that and stop insulting my guild.

If you were not trying or there was no effort in it then why post a screenshot? Also posting a screenshot you have to be ready for some criticism

[Paul]

Slane,

The problem is that the vast majority of people who play this game see it differently, to them its the difference between playing a competative sport (your view) and watching a competative sport (my view). If I am paying 50 bucks for tickets to watch the Sharks beat the crap out of LA Kings, someone shouldn't come and block my view in the third period because I'm not wearing a sharks jersey. Why does it effect you if I am just handed the content?

edit:

On a side note I haven't been able to find any guilds that are doing Ulduar content except for the weeklies. Majority of guilds are doing TOTC 10 and 25 Heroic and Normal but the problem is that even those guilds are requiring 5k minimum GS just to get a chance at the raid. The other night I got in a PUG 25 TOTC and on the twins the bad ass trinket dropped, I rolled a 922 and the raid leader told me I didn't deserve it because I hadn't run the raid enough.

Nubs, you know you can get 5k GS without touching a raid. My Priest's gear is all from badges and the ICC 5 mans. Just farm and you'll have it easy.

[Minifig]

If you were not trying or there was no effort in it then why post a screenshot? Also posting a screenshot you have to be ready for some criticism

Because I was proud of the fact that we downed him with three seconds to go on the enrage timer.

It was freaking crazy luck. You don't see it happening every day.

[Noveed]

Because I was proud of the fact that we downed him with three seconds to go on the enrage timer.

It was freaking crazy luck. You don't see it happening every day.

Downed him after the enrage first time our guild downed him a year ago. Disengage + Killshot does wonders. but that was the days of 4k dps. Now its more like OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!!

So let me get this straight you guys were not downing him fast on purpose and holding back on dps to see how close you could get to the enrage, just to see how well you did under pressure?

If you really want to see how the guild performs under pressure try something more current and challenging like ToC or ICC alternatively some old achievements like nax undying, Of the nightfall can also test that.

On a sidenote though the dps is pretty low considering you get a buff that multiplys the dps depening on which side you stand on. My DK tank does about 3-4k on this fight (less than 4.6k gs)

Downing festergut within 3 secs of the enrage timer was crazy for our guild, because the guild is gearing up still we improved this week by 10 secs :D

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Because I was proud of the fact that we downed him with three seconds to go on the enrage timer.

It was freaking crazy luck. You don't see it happening every day.

Well done Mini, i've seen your guild play when you setup that live thing the other week, and I was impressed how you took down Onyxia. Don't let these guys tear ya down dude, WoW is about doing things at your own pace. :D

[Sethos]

I decided to give my 69 Druid a bash ( Now 70 ) just to get back to my sweet Horde. I tried to queue up as a tank and instantly I could join an instance :laugh:

Tried 3 times, instant every time! And when you get in, people know there's a "lack" of tanks, so they beg you to stay in case there's a wipe, they sweet-talk you,

some dude even gave me 5g for repairs, only me because he caused a wipe.

Oh the love :rofl:

[_neutrino Veteran]

Just got my 4 Piece bonus from Tier 9 Armor set. Soon I should have my first Tier 10 piece. (Going rather slow due to not playing every day or doing Icc)

Image cropped from Armory

Character = GalenHawke

Server = Skywall

Race = Forsaken

Faction = Horde

Class = Warlock

Specification = Destruction / Demonology

[Slane]

Wow. You sure are cocky aren't you?

We. were. not. trying.

That's exactly the point your missing. It went directly over your head.

Please come back when you understand that and stop insulting my guild.

/sigh

Come back with a SS of you actually trying to shut us all up.

Well done Mini, i've seen your guild play when you setup that live thing the other week, and I was impressed how you took down Onyxia. Don't let these guys tear ya down dude, WoW is about doing things at your own pace. :D

It is. I was simply telling him my own advice to help him and his other guildies to move on into the newer content and be able to meet the requirements DPS wise. I meant no harm or insult by it. Merely giving my 2 cent on the DPS shown in the SS.

[drotaru]

on the other side .... every DK , warr druid and pala with crappy gear can get away with it just by selecting "tank" these days .... and if ur healer your stuck with a boomkin druid in bear form with 5k health in an instance where mobs hit for 3k every time :) N-Joy teh LFD

[Shaun N.]

lol

[Sethos]

on the other side .... every DK , warr druid and pala with crappy gear can get away with it just by selecting "tank" these days .... and if ur healer your stuck with a boomkin druid in bear form with 5k health in an instance where mobs hit for 3k every time :) N-Joy teh LFD

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[Hedon]

So nobody here has played Guild Wars?

[gigapixels Veteran]

So nobody here has played Guild Wars?

Tried it and hated it.

[Hedon]

Tried it and hated it.

I haven't tried it yet. What do you like more about WoW compared to Guild? I just finished my 10 day trial of WoW, and now I am going to try the Guild demo next.

I think I want to see about getting into one or the other.

[Stokkolm]

WoW just gets updated a lot more with new content and fixes every few weeks.

[nubs]

Nubs, you know you can get 5k GS without touching a raid. My Priest's gear is all from badges and the ICC 5 mans. Just farm and you'll have it easy.

I have been farming and I am up to 4890 now. I am working in PVP to get 245 Boots from running alterac valley over and over. Alas, last night I was watching the raid PUGs looking for more members, the GS requirement for ICC 10-Man is up at 5500 now. Feels like I'm aiming at a moving target.

[gigapixels Veteran]

I haven't tried it yet. What do you like more about WoW compared to Guild? I just finished my 10 day trial of WoW, and now I am going to try the Guild demo next.

I think I want to see about getting into one or the other.

Honestly, I can't put my finger on it, but I just didn't like the feel of it. It felt very cheap, which is how most MMOs feel to me when compared to WoW. I really can't describe it in any other way :/

[dead.cell]

I haven't tried it yet. What do you like more about WoW compared to Guild? I just finished my 10 day trial of WoW, and now I am going to try the Guild demo next.

I think I want to see about getting into one or the other.

Guild Wars is like an empty shell of a game overrun by gold sellers and account hijackers. Getting on there while I was off of WoW around September just wasn't that fun. I mean sure, graphically, the game is nice. But that's where a lot of the good things end. WoW simply feels like there's a lot more life to it. Professions in WoW also give the game a lot more social interaction with people, as everyone needs enchants, gems to be cut, various things to be made, and so forth. It's how an MMO really should be.

That said, there are to be no updates to Guild Wars as far as content goes, so you might as well stick with World of Warcraft since it has life and still many things to come.

Of course, I'm certainly not going to tell you what to play. I mean, you'll probably be able to figure that out yourself, especially since you've tried WoW first. Going back just isn't as fun or easy once you get settled in.

[Prosidius]

I've played Guild Wars for about 6 months before I sold the account.

Pluses

Decent Graphics = There more realistic than WoW and the game generally just looks better.

Detail = Alot of the armor models and the world in general has a high level of detail.

No Grinding = The level cap is 20 which I guess is achievable in less than a day /played. I never reached the level cap but I got close.

No Subscription Fees = Guild Wars is the poor mans MMO, you pay once and you're set.

Downsides

Instanced World = The entire world minus the cities are instanced. This makes the world feel empty and it's a big detracking point to the game. Sure theres plus's of instancing but the cons outweigh them, I want the world to feel populated.

Jumping = You cant jump in Guild wars. Further more, the world is restricted in where you can walk. You cant just walk wherever the hell you want like in WoW or EQ. Basically you can only stay on the main paths in zones because theres invisible walls everywhere else. It was annoying to say the least.

Customer Service = I've heard bad things about the customer service @ NCSoft

[the evn show]

I know it's hard for someone like you, a complete WoW fanatic to see the truth but what I'm saying is not something just grabbed thin air, it's

actually how the world works; look around you - Every time someone talks WoW in public there's always someone to laugh or make a hurtful comment, WoW is being

mocked in the public media, it's being mocked by every day people and even gamers will take World of Warcraft players down a notch or two.

Again, where are you seeing these people? Around the office most people couldn't tell the difference between warcraft and wii sports unless you sat them down in front of the damn thing

Even then, the only difference they'd notice is that one is played with waggley paddles and one requires a keyboard and mouse. In my experience (which is admittedly sample-biased towards to middle-upper class science or art major 20-30 somethings) the only way to invite scorn or public ridicule would be:

• Call somebody a '***' or say 'that's gay' when you mean something is uninteresting or stupid. Bigotry of other kinds is so rare that if you were to be a racist we'd likely assume you were joking.
  
• Claim to be a social conservative (ie: oppose gay marriage/abortion, support capital punishment/etc, oppose women in the workplace, etc.)
  
• Be ignorant to the world around you: unable to discuss cultural difference between Egypt and Pakistan (or worse: unable to point them out on a map).
  
• Believing in pseudo-science (homeopath) or myths (astrology).
  
• Support animal cruelty (ie: bull fights)
  

I guess there are just so many good reasons to question a person's integrity that choice of electronic entertainment just doesn't make the list. The people I interact with on a day-to-day basis just don't have the time to find minor 'faults' to judge people on. Either you're a reasonable human being and we can all get along, or you're an overt jerk and nobody bothers to spend much more time on the subject.

The world you describe is very foreign to me, and I'm glad I don't live among people with time for such petty pursuits.

I've even seen a friend lose his job, home and most of his friends to this game.

That's a shame. When you have a sample size as large as warcraft (roughly 15 million people) + many more than have played and quit you're bound to find some edge cases of volatile behaviour.

World of Warcraft not only rots people's minds but it has also attracted basically every annoying element from the real world, so socially it can feel like a complete

cesspool and feel like retard-hangout. So World of Warcraft attracts the worst kind and it has also converted people to empty shells basically.

Didn't you just say that your friend had a home and job and friends until warcraft corrupted him?

Which is it? Warcraft destroys successful people or is the resting place of the damned?

Yes, some people know how to manage this bla. bla bla. but this is the public image of World of Warcraft and I don't protest that image for a second

because I've seen it all, everything said about the game is true and that's despite I'm actually playing it actively myself.

I haven't seen it. I guess our two anecdotes cancel each other out.

So comparing that image to sports is pretty god damn daft and no, I'm not living in fear because you'd have to be pretty damn hooked to accidentally

start talking about your World of Warcraft experience in the middle of a conversation; you just shut the hell up about it in public so people won't

think you are a complete loser like you would shut the hell up about everything else weird you do within the confines of your home.

Once again you're harping on the risk that somebody might find out about your choice in video games. The way you implore people to "just shut the hell up in public" you'd think they were closeting jews from the Nazis or participating in linch mobs.

I'm not living in fear and I just try very hard not to embarrass myself

around friends and strangers.

Around most of my friends: embarrassing would be to be caught as a child molester or racist. "I like to play video game X" is about as relevant as "I don't like to eat peanut butter." Surely you can understand my incredulity when you describe such a different social landscape. The life you describe is so frighteningly judgemental that the only places I can imagine that harsh are public high schools and prisons.

If you honestly feel that you'd be shamed for something so trivial I'd encourage you to make some new friends: take up motorcycle racing, learn glass blowing, become a benefactor of local theatre, or study a martial art. I can assure you from personal experience that (at least in my city) it'd be very unusual for anybody, never mind the majority, of people with interests that diverse to judge a person on such trivial matters.

[Sethos]

Again, where are you seeing these people? Around the office most people couldn't tell the difference between warcraft and wii sports unless you sat them down in front of the damn thing

Even then, the only difference they'd notice is that one is played with waggley paddles and one requires a keyboard and mouse. In my experience (which is admittedly sample-biased towards to middle-upper class science or art major 20-30 somethings) the only way to invite scorn or public ridicule would be:

• Call somebody a '***' or say 'that's gay' when you mean something is uninteresting or stupid. Bigotry of other kinds is so rare that if you were to be a racist we'd likely assume you were joking.
  
• Claim to be a social conservative (ie: oppose gay marriage/abortion, support capital punishment/etc, oppose women in the workplace, etc.)
  
• Be ignorant to the world around you: unable to discuss cultural difference between Egypt and Pakistan (or worse: unable to point them out on a map).
  
• Believing in pseudo-science (homeopath) or myths (astrology).
  
• Support animal cruelty (ie: bull fights)
  

I guess there are just so many good reasons to question a person's integrity that choice of electronic entertainment just doesn't make the list. The people I interact with on a day-to-day basis just don't have the time to find minor 'faults' to judge people on. Either you're a reasonable human being and we can all get along, or you're an overt jerk and nobody bothers to spend much more time on the subject.

The world you describe is very foreign to me, and I'm glad I don't live among people with time for such petty pursuits.

Not sure what to say, you already stated you aren't even in the target group of my arguments and you haven't even experienced it.

My posts where made from my point of view, my experiences and why I wouldn't wear clothing or tell anyone I play a game with such a tattered image.

That's a shame. When you have a sample size as large as warcraft (roughly 15 million people) + many more than have played and quit you're bound to find some edge cases of volatile behaviour.

Exactly why the game has a bad image, it has a huge fanbase ( 11 Million was the latest, AFAIK? ) and everything tied to the game and even has a mention of the game

will help towards that bad image, thus I won't associate myself with this image.

Didn't you just say that your friend had a home and job and friends until warcraft corrupted him?

Which is it? Warcraft destroys successful people or is the resting place of the damned?

Both evn, both - I know it's hard to grasp but in 11 Million people, it's possible.

I haven't seen it. I guess our two anecdotes cancel each other out.

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Once again you're harping on the risk that somebody might find out about your choice in video games. The way you implore people to "just shut the hell up in public" you'd think they were closeting jews from the Nazis or participating in linch mobs.

No, it's about saving yourself of having to listen to crap, be made fun of, be the center of the light-hearted jokes around the office etc.

I've seen it happen to people who admit they play WoW and I just avoid it by going the easy route.

Around most of my friends: embarrassing would be to be caught as a child molester or racist. "I like to play video game X" is about as relevant as "I don't like to eat peanut butter." Surely you can understand my incredulity when you describe such a different social landscape. The life you describe is so frighteningly judgemental that the only places I can imagine that harsh are public high schools and prisons.

Okay? Can't possibly be several degrees of embarrassment but sure - Let's use the worst of the lot. You honestly sound like you

have no clue on how cruel, how judgemental or how vindictive the youth of today's nation can be ... Oh you already stated you aren't part of the

the target group I spoke of.

If you honestly feel that you'd be shamed for something so trivial I'd encourage you to make some new friends: take up motorcycle racing, learn glass blowing, become a benefactor of local theatre, or study a martial art. I can assure you from personal experience that (at least in my city) it'd be very unusual for anybody, never mind the majority, of people with interests that diverse to judge a person on such trivial matters.

I think this has been covered.

Understand what I said was me explaining things from my point of view, explained my opinion - No way in hell can you "compare" two different lives like you do just to counter-argue, that's just daft.

And don't bother replying to this unless you want to save face because I won't be reading it, this isn't the place to do this because it's not like a World of Warcraft thread is the best forum to have people

discuss this without getting all butthurt and counter-argue like crazy because they feel offended. I should have brought up those points somewhere a bit more "neutral".

[the evn show]

Both evn, both - I know it's hard to grasp but in 11 Million people, it's possible.

?

No, it's about saving yourself of having to listen to crap, be made fun of, be the center of the light-hearted jokes around the office etc.

I'm curious: do you also encourage people do deny their vegetarianism (or 'shut the hell up about it' in public) for fear they be likened to Hitler?

Okay? Can't possibly be several degrees of embarrassment but sure - Let's use the worst of the lot. You honestly sound like you

have no clue on how cruel, how judgemental or how vindictive the youth of today's nation can be ... Oh you already stated you aren't part of the

the target group I spoke of.

Actually I don't really have any idea what kids are like today. I did attend 2 years of public high-school but that was nearly 10 years ago. My first trip through university was a bit of a haze and also before internet gaming really took off. Playstation/Nintendo were very common then and nobody cared what games you played. I have stated that I remember high-school being very judgemental - mostly because I was on the 'judging' side of the fence.

I also remember that my position, if that's the right word, in the 'cool clique' had everything to do with the brand of jeans I wore and the kind of car my parents drove and nothing to do with my hobbies (I took sailing lessons, kung-fu, and played drums: hardly the coolest weekend activities). I guess that's why I think it's so irrelevant: the people we mocked would have been mocked no matter what their personal flaws?as we perceived them?were.

I guess if you're offering advice to high-school kids - more power to you. I think you're offering pretty crumby advice ("hide yourself lest people judge you") but maybe your character isn't capable of withstanding minor slings. From my experience was the opposite advice: be what you want to because most people are too wrapped up in their own lives to even notice your peculiarities, never mind judge you for them. You're going to meet jerks everywhere in life, the variety you find in a highschool are harmless so you might as well use them to temper your resolve.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

Ran The Nexus for the first time absolutely **** drops for my Pala but I know some of the bosses must have some decent stuff. Got 4 quests to turn in now from it :)