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Evolution

Well usually when you download TV shows off the net, you're not downloading the advertisements along with it...so I can certainly see how it's illegal from that side...the series isn't giving you permission to access their media in that method.

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Starcom826

The thing is, what Loki is doing really isn't illegal. It may be "morally wrong" (depending on if you think it is stealing from people who steal from you), but not illegal. The fact is, torrents and their trackers do not contain any copyrighted materials. They direct you to where you can download the illegal files. But if that is illegal, then take down google.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=filet...G=Google+Search

Ooooo look at that! It helped you find illegal files! Kill Google! Kill Google! Not....

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Monkeys4me
coming from a guy whos name is "Monkeys4me"

but the Canadian government prevents dumb countries (ie. USA) to get out address, names and information.  It is a PRIVACY law here in Canuck land.  This is a great motive of Canada, to get people to live here :D  so next time, double check and make sure the person you are writing to really cares about all that.  I am protected by the government, and hopefully always will be. 

and NO this doesn't mean i can automatically have immunity to all this, i don't abuse the system, a few songs here and there don't hurt anyone...

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I was speaking in general terms... I'm sorry if this confused you, I'll type real slowly from now on so you can keep up.

Privacy Laws are not the reason you can download with virtual impunity in Canada, it's the fact that the media companies were able to successfully lobby the Canadian government to enact levies on blank recording media in the 80's.

Canadian citizens were ticked about this at the time, but now it's swung around to bite the media companies in the butt, because your courts have ruled that since Canadian citizens have already paid for the right to make copies of copyrighted works, downloading from the Internet is not a violation of the law.

The media companies were unsuccessful in their attempts to get the same levies in the USA because our system considered it unfair to tax a consumer for blank media which may well be used to record their kid's first steps, music recital, etc? I'm sure that hindsight makes them quite happy about their failure now, since they do not have their hands tied in the USA like they do in Canada.

You also shouldn't dismiss the notion that the media companies will do everything in their power to change your laws. All it takes is the right payoff to the right politicians... and I'd lay odds that the $$$ is snaking it's way around your country as we "speak".

Privacy laws are a completely different thing, and they are NOT related to any effort by Canada to lure people into moving there (sorry to have to be the one to break the news to you). In case you hadn't noticed (and I'm sure you haven't), the media companies have failed in their efforts to obtain the personal information of ISP customers en mass in the USA as well... you know why??? It's because we have protection of our privacy as well (THAT must be a stunner for you... I'll pause to give you time to collect yourself).

Pause

Pause

All better? Did you get yourself something cool to drink?

OK, good... The media companies looking to obtain the PII (Personally Identifiable Information) of alleged violators are going to be forced to obtain disclosure rulings from the courts on an individual basis... one alleged violator at a time. This is a much more time consuming and expensive process, and it should be. It would be horrible if a company could force any other entity to release PII to them based on a claim of inappropriate activity, they should always be forced to meet the minimum legal bar of evidence before a court compels the holder to release the information. After all, in these cases, the companies often have privacy agreements with their customers that they are legally compelled to abide.

Maybe next time YOU should double check to ensure you know what you?re talking about!!! Oh yeah.:p :p

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Azadre
I was speaking in general terms... I'm sorry if this confused you, I'll type real slowly from now on so you can keep up.

Privacy Laws are not the reason you can download with virtual impunity in Canada, it's the fact that the media companies were able to successfully lobby the Canadian government to enact levies on blank recording media in the 80's. 

Canadian citizens were ticked about this at the time, but now it's swung around to bite the media companies in the butt, because your courts have ruled that since Canadian citizens have already paid for the right to make copies of copyrighted works, downloading from the Internet is not a violation of the law.

The media companies were unsuccessful in their attempts to get the same levies in the USA because our system considered it unfair to tax a consumer for blank media which may well be used to record their kid's first steps, music recital, etc?  I'm sure that hindsight makes them quite happy about their failure now, since they do not have their hands tied in the USA like they do in Canada.

You also shouldn't dismiss the notion that the media companies will do everything in their power to change your laws.  All it takes is the right payoff to the right politicians... and I'd lay odds that the $$$ is snaking it's way around your country as we "speak".

Privacy laws are a completely different thing, and they are NOT related to any effort by Canada to lure people into moving there (sorry to have to be the one to break the news to you).  In case you hadn't noticed (and I'm sure you haven't), the media companies have failed in their efforts to obtain the personal information of ISP customers en mass in the USA as well... you know why???  It's because we have protection of our privacy as well (THAT must be a stunner for you... I'll pause to give you time to collect yourself).

Pause

Pause

All better?  Did you get yourself something cool to drink?

OK, good...  The media companies looking to obtain the PII (Personally Identifiable Information) of alleged violators are going to be forced to obtain disclosure rulings from the courts on an individual basis... one alleged violator at a time.  This is a much more time consuming and expensive process, and it should be.  It would be horrible if a company could force any other entity to release PII to them based on a claim of inappropriate activity, they should always be forced to meet the minimum legal bar of evidence before a court compels the holder to release the information.  After all, in these cases, the companies often have privacy agreements with their customers that they are legally compelled to abide.

Maybe next time YOU should double check to ensure you know what you?re talking about!!!  Oh yeah...&nb:p; :p

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Chris Albaugh? Is that you?

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Monkeys4me
Chris Albaugh?  Is that you?

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Sorry... too obscure a reference for me. I can't find anything on a forum search, or anything that seems relevent on a Google search, on this person.

[shrugs]

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Azadre
Sorry... too obscure a reference for me.  I can't find anything on a forum search, or anything that seems relevent on a Google search, on this person.

[shrugs]

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A person I knew a few years back. He loved to use monkeys in his moniker. I believed I last knew him as MonkeyRme.

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ECEGatorTuro
Well usually when you download TV shows off the net, you're not downloading the advertisements along with it...so I can certainly see how it's illegal from that side...the series isn't giving you permission to access their media in that method.

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Then what about 'TiVo'ed shows... they have the commercials removed! So are you telling me that TiVo might be doing something illegal? :wacko: Also, there are VCRs that skip commercials as well... what about those?

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Monkeys4me
Then what about 'TiVo'ed shows... they have the commercials removed! So are you telling me that TiVo might be doing something illegal? :wacko: Also, there are VCRs that skip commercials as well... what about those?

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It's perfectly legal to record shows for your own personal use... and it's OK to skip the commercials too (although they're trying to change THAT :wacko: ).

What you don't have the right to do is distribute copies without the owner's permission. While they may choose to air the program over "free" TV, they still retain ownership of it, and may wish to distribute it in other ways to earn revenue off of it (such as airing it in another country or selling it on DVD).

I agree that it can be frustrating when all you want to do is watch a show that you otherwise would miss... especially when it's one that was aired on "free" TV. I wish the studios would provide a method of viewing previously aired shows streamed over the Net. The problem is they still have problems with the fact that they could be viewed in countries where they haven't aired yet, not to mention the contractual obligations they have to their affiliate stations.

It's never as simple as it seems to be on the surface...

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imtoomuch

I'm extremely surprised that people are actually surprised that there is a crack down on torrents. Sound people seen blind sided by this. It was bound to happen. I'm not donating money to such a stupid cause either. It's gonna take a whole lot more than $30,000 to convince the court that P2P is fine as long as copyrighted material is traded.

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Hekx

If the BT clients had search functions with the ability to setup your own tracker, I bet those meanies would go after the software developers too. :ninja:

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vhcs

I hope this site losses and all other sites alike common it main forcus is illegal connent unlike google which is to be a search engin and i wound recomend to google to stop there bot from tracking .torrent

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ECEGatorTuro
It's perfectly legal to record shows for your own personal use... and it's OK to skip the commercials too (although they're trying to change THAT  :wacko: ).

What you don't have the right to do is distribute copies without the owner's permission.  While they may choose to air the program over "free" TV, they still retain ownership of it, and may wish to distribute it in other ways to earn revenue off of it (such as airing it in another country or selling it on DVD).

I agree that it can be frustrating when all you want to do is watch a show that you otherwise would miss... especially when it's one that was aired on "free" TV.  I wish the studios would provide a method of viewing previously aired shows streamed over the Net.  The problem is they still have problems with the fact that they could be viewed in countries where they haven't aired yet, not to mention the contractual obligations they have to their affiliate stations.

It's never as simple as it seems to be on the surface...

:blink:

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But if I'm just downloading an episode then, would that be considered illegal? I'm not intentoinally distributing it but then again, by the nature of BitTorrent, you are kind of sharing it with everyone else. I hate legal crap! :wacko:

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The_Decryptor
I hope this site losses and all other sites alike common it main forcus is illegal connent unlike google which is to be a search engin and i wound recomend to google to  stop there bot from tracking .torrent

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But what if i want to search for the latest linux torrent, why should i be stopped just because some big company doesnt like me seeing their (unrelated) stuff without paying high prices for it?

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red8Rain
Why does the MPAA have to be so anally retentive!!! Arg! :angry:

Neztea

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When you run a company that provide software or entertainment, you will understand why they have to be, in your words, annally retentive.

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stncttr908

Stop paying movie stars $20 million a movie, or start making quality movies, and perhaps I'll be more willing to plunk down $10 to see it.

As for Network Television, I think that might illegal as well, since none of the rips include the advertisments that the networks use for revenue.

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Gowcra

I hate the MPAA with a passion!

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Liaqat_ali

30,000 to convince the court, to allow the sharing of copyrigted work worth Millions of dollars.

Loki is just filling its pockets to say the last goodbye.

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Monkeys4me
But if I'm just downloading an episode then, would that be considered illegal? I'm not intentoinally distributing it but then again, by the nature of BitTorrent, you are kind of sharing it with everyone else.

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Yes, technically it's illegal.

Setting aside the fact that with BT you're sharing at the same time you're downloading, the people that YOU are getting the bits from are distributing it without the owners permission.

I hate legal crap!

You won't if you ever find yourself needing it to protect you or your interests. The reason it exists is because some people don't seem to be able to respect the rights and/or properties of others... such as using P2P to avoid compensating the owners of the products they've developed.

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Yes, technically it's illegal.

Setting aside the fact that with BT you're sharing at the same time you're downloading, the people that YOU are getting the bits from are distributing it without the owners permission.

You won't if you ever find yourself needing it to protect you or your interests.  The reason it exists is because some people don't seem to be able to respect the rights and/or properties of others... such as using P2P to avoid compensating the owners of the products they've developed.

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YOU just got told!

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Monkeys4me
Stop paying movie stars $20 million a movie, or start making quality movies, and perhaps I'll be more willing to plunk down $10 to see it.

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Besides the fact that it's really none of your business how much an actor gets paid for their work, you obviously have no understanding of the economics involved.

The actors who command $20 million salaries have a proven track record of getting people to pay to see the movies they're in, THAT'S why they get that kind of money. Take Julia Roberts for example. her movies have brought in over $2 billion dollars US domestic (we're not even talking about international box office or DVD here)... If you we're making a movie, and she seemed appropriate for the part, don't you think you'd be willing to pay her $20 million to be in your picture if it all but guarenteed a good opening weekend & profitability?

People love to complain about how much a given actor gets paid, but they're right there on opening night to see the movies they're in.

As for you comment on "quality movies"... Please, it makes you look even more foolish. You're saying they're not good enough, so you won't pay to see them, but you will steal them. Your standards seem pretty low if you're willing to go to the trouble to obtain them, and then waste your time watching them when you think they're bad... would you steal & eat a crap sandwich just because you could?

The fact is that most people download them because it's become so easy, plain and simple.

As for Network Television, I think that might illegal as well, since none of the rips include the advertisments that the networks use for revenue.

It has nothing to do with the ads... I addressed this in an earlier post in this thread.

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w00t

anyone else notice the typo in the topic title?

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