Legalise Marijuana?

[bfoos]

It's a lot more practical to buy it unless you consume massive amounts of it.  Even if it was legal to grow it, I doubt most people would spend the money and time learning how to grow it.

Think of how many things you can grow easily(herbs for cooking, vegetables for eating) or make/build, and how many people actually do that, as opposed to doing it themselves.

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No most people wouldn't be, couldn't be bothered to grow. Much like very few people cultivate their own tobaco or distill their own liquer. I know people brew their own beer and distill their own liquer and grow their own tobaco, even though it's all legaly available. People just want convenience. The same would apply to marijuana. Some would cultivate, most wouldn't.

[Mike Douglas]

so how is it not "fair" again? you said it was not addictive and there was no physical withdrawel?

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No, I said it was hardly more addictive than caffiene.

[GrandMaster]

its less addictive then caffine, as the addiction is psychologicaly based. There is no bodily reliance on it, therefore its as easy to quit weed as it is to quit eating so much ****ing food and being a fatass.

[cyoung1616]

Well it all fairness I will admit I would rather diss-off a 250 pound, father raping, mother stabbing drunk than a stoner. After all you can out run a drunk.

Cody

[username]

its less addictive then caffine, as the addiction is psychologicaly based. There is no bodily reliance on it, therefore its as easy to quit weed as it is to quit eating so much ****ing food and being a fatass.

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obviously you did not read all the posts with studies showing it is physically addictive that put everyone who said otherwise in their place

[Panacik]

excuse me?! ive experienced both, to great lengths!

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Well arent you the 'big man'. I too was a big pot head until 6 months ago. I smoked at least 5 times a day if not more after work.

I felt great (or so i thought). Now that i have stopped i have cut smoking in half. Also stopped drinking as much (not that i planned to, it just happened since i stopped smoking). I feel like i have been living behind a wall of elusion, like i was not seeing the world properly.

As an example, when i got stoned and looked at trees they would seem so much more greener and every colour would look more exagerated. Now i have stopped everything looks right and after a few weeks of not smoking i found things looked the way smoking made it look anyway.

Also, science has proven that smoking it causes brain damage in the long run and that is why society is far more out of control than it used to be. Drugs have always been around, but more people are turning to them. Either due to people who smoke having offspring which end up depressed as a side effect of their parents bad habit, which turns them to drugs later in life, or just because 'it's cool'.

The bottom line is that smoking anything is bad as is drinking large ammounts of alchohol. The difference is that a little wine or the occasional beer does not do damage, whereas on joint causes more.

You're the one 'Old Bill' are after for stealing newspapers.

I get the feeling you have yet to grow-up.

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I agree 100% with you.

Cannabis makes u chilled and fux ur lungs and a few others places lol

Alchohol makes u hyperactive and fux ur liver, and a few others places

Cannabis wins?

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You have answered your own question. Cannabis does the lungs and 'a few other places' being the brain'. At least if you get liver damage you are still aware of whats going on around you, rather than thinking the whole world is out to get you.

Cannabis looses... through and through.

[bfoos]

obviously you did not read all the posts with studies showing it is physically addictive that put everyone who said otherwise in their place

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Hah. For every site siting that it's physically addictive, 10 or more can be shown that it's not; and having experianced physical addiction first hand, I can honestly say that it's not. Anyone who says it is without experiance is talking out of their bung hole.

Bang dope (heroin round where I ****** up)for a year, then come back and preach physical addiction.

[username]

Hah. For every site siting that it's physically addictive, 10 or more can be shown that it's not; and having experianced physical addiction first hand, I can honestly say that it's not. Anyone who says it is without experiance is talking out of their bung hole.

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so i gues the guy above and a few others are "talking out of their bung hole."

and can you find ONE SINGLE scientific study that says it is not PHYSICALLY addictive? NO, because its a FACT, sure it's varies in individuals, and don't post something from greenbuds420.com

[bfoos]

so i gues the guy above and a few others are "talking out of their bung hole."

and can you find ONE SINGLE scientific study that says it is not PHYSICALLY addictive? NO, because its a FACT, sure it's varies in individuals, and don't post something from greenbuds420.com

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I get my info from real life experiance, actually you high and might fighter for anti THC laws. Since you are SO virtuous. What about alcohol? It's been proven beyond a doubt to be physically addictive and is far more destructive than cannabis ever will be. Why is it legal without a blink of the eye and pot is getting such an uproar?

THC is nothing more than psychologically addictive. Psychological effects can manifest themselves in a physical way, but that doesn't mean they are.

[Panacik]

so i gues the guy above and a few others are "talking out of their bung hole."

and can you find ONE SINGLE scientific study that says it is not PHYSICALLY addictive? NO, because its a FACT, sure it's varies in individuals, and don't post something from greenbuds420.com

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Well i found it easy to stop smoking weed personally, i will say it is still addictive which i will explain below. Not physically but mentaly.

I get my info from real life experiance, actually you high and might fighter for anti THC laws. Since you are SO virtuous. What about alcohol? It's been proven beyond a doubt to be physically addictive and is far more destructive than cannabis ever will be. Why is it legal without a blink of the eye and pot is getting such an uproar?

THC is nothing more than psychologically addictive. Psychological effects can manifest themselves in a physical way, but that doesn't mean they are.

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Jaded1,

Whilst it is not physically addictive it is mentally addictive, and if you say otherwise you are talking rubbish.

If you like anything in life or drug wise it can be addictive. I mean E's are not suppost to be addictive, but if you enjoy the effect they give then would you not start doing it more regularly?

And for your comment saying Alchohol is more addictive, again i will say that it is not half as bad. Weigh up the ammount of people who become addicted to pot and those who are addicted to alchahol each year and i am sure you will see pot heads have increased a lot more than alchohol abusers. Plus i already said above that a little wine every night is actually GOOD for you and recommended by doctors, so i am sure pot is a lot worse.

[GrandMaster]

obviously you did not read all the posts with studies showing it is physically addictive that put everyone who said otherwise in their place

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id have to disagree. I dont care if theyre doctors or not, but ive been smoking weed on and off for a long time, quitting for periods as long as a year in one day right after a streak of daily smoking. The reason i came back was not craving, but merely opportunity (seeing a friend i havent seen in a long time and kicking back with a bowl), then not smoking for another long time. A doctor can tell me its physically addictive, but ive never in my life felt a craving of any sort, and EVERY time ive smoked was merely because of opportunity (weed is here, pipe is there, lighter is in my pocket, homie on the couch, why not?).

[mikey1001]

so i gues the guy above and a few others are "talking out of their bung hole."

and can you find ONE SINGLE scientific study that says it is not PHYSICALLY addictive? NO, because its a FACT, sure it's varies in individuals, and don't post something from greenbuds420.com

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Again, I must go back to the original point; is it so dangerous that people should made criminals and jailed?

Read some studies by governments and medical organizations and see if they make sense to you:

US Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Agency:

The DEA's Administrative Law Judge, Francis Young concluded: "In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating 10 raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death. Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within the supervised routine of medical care.

Shafer, Raymond P., A Signal of Misunderstanding, Chapter 3:

When examining the relationship between marijuana use and violent crime, the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse concluded, "Rather than inducing violent or aggressive behavior through its purported effects of lowering inhibitions, weakening impulse control and heightening aggressive tendencies, marihuana was usually found to inhibit the expression of aggressive impulses by pacifying the user, interfering with muscular coordination, reducing psychomotor activities and generally producing states of drowsiness lethargy, timidity and passivity."

WHO Project on Health Implications of Cannabis Use: A Comparative Appraisal of the Health and Psychological Consequences of Cannabis:

When examining the medical affects of marijuana use, the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse concluded, "A careful search of the literature and testimony of the nation's health officials has not revealed a single human fatality in the United States proven to have resulted solely from ingestion of marihuana. Experiments with the drug in monkeys demonstrated that the dose required for overdose death was enormous and for all practical purposes unachievable by humans smoking marihuana. This is in marked contrast to other substances in common use, most notably alcohol.

Canadian Senate Special Committee on Illegal Drugs :

Since 1969, government-appointed commissions in the United States, Canada, England, Australia, and the Netherlands concluded, after reviewing the scientific evidence, that marijuana's dangers had previously been greatly exaggerated, and urged lawmakers to drastically reduce or eliminate penalties for marijuana possession. The Canadian Senate's Special Committee on Illegal Drugs recommended in its 2002 final report on cannabis policy that "the Government of Canada amend the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act to create a criminal exemption scheme. This legislation should stipulate the conditions for obtaining licenses as well as for producing and selling cannabis; criminal penalties for illegal trafficking and export; and the preservation of criminal penalties for all activities falling outside the scope of the exemption scheme."

Canadian Centre on Substance Abuse:

In May of 1998, the Canadian Centre on Substance Abuse, National Working Group on Addictions Policy released policy a discussion document which recommended, "The severity of punishment for a cannabis possession charge should be reduced. Specifically, cannabis possession should be converted to a civil violation under the Contraventions Act." The paper further noted that, "The available evidence indicates that removal of jail as a sentencing option would lead to considerable cost savings without leading to increases in rates of cannabis use."

And finally, from "Is Nicotine Addictive? It Depends on Whose Criteria You Use.":

Rating the addictive properties of Caffeine, Nicotine, Marijuana, Alcohol, Heroin and Cocaine, marijuana scored the lowest on the entire list...Alcohol had a far higher ratio for dependance than marijuana.

[Panacik]

My friend is a scientist and has researched weed effects for a long period of time. here is somthing she posted on a different email group some time ago (its a little long so please excuse me):

First a study from the Journal Medical Chemistry 2004. For those of you that dont understand what it all means, you may need to look it up. I didnt understand either until it was explained to me:

Well here is one particular study from Journal

Medcinal Chemistry 2004!! Which indicates the

detection of of this drug "

Bioanalytical

studies revealed a high CNS-plasma ratio for the

development candidate 80. Molecular

modeling studies showed a relatively close

three-dimensional structural overlap between 80

and the known CB1 receptor antagonist rimonabant

(SR141716A). Further analysis of the X-ray

diffraction data of 80 revealed the presence of an

intramolecular hydrogen bond that was

confirmed by computational methods."

A series of novel 3,4-diarylpyrazolines was

synthesized and evaluated in cannabinoid (hCB1

and hCB2) receptor assays. The 3,4-diarylpyrazolines

elicited potent in vitro CB1 antagonistic

activities and in general exhibited high CB1 vs CB2

receptor subtype selectivities. Some key

representatives showed potent pharmacological in vivo

activities after oral dosing in both a

CB agonist-induced blood pressure model and a CB

agonist-induced hypothermia model. Chiral

separation of racemic 67, followed by crystallization

and an X-ray diffraction study, elucidated

the absolute configuration of the eutomer 80 (SLV319)

at its C4 position as 4S. Bioanalytical

studies revealed a high CNS-plasma ratio for the

development candidate 80. Molecular

modeling studies showed a relatively close

three-dimensional structural overlap between 80

and the known CB1 receptor antagonist rimonabant

(SR141716A). Further analysis of the X-ray

diffraction data of 80 revealed the presence of an

intramolecular hydrogen bond that was

confirmed by computational methods. Computational

models and X-ray diffraction data

indicated a different intramolecular hydrogen bonding

pattern in the in vivo inactive compound

6. In addition, X-ray diffraction studies of 6

revealed a tighter intermolecular packing than

80, which also may contribute to its poorer absorption

in vivo. Replacement of the amidine

-NH2 moiety with a -NHCH3 group proved to be the key

change for gaining oral biovailability

in this series of compounds leading to the

identification of 80.

1st time in France, 1st in Europe, 2nd in the world: governmental media campaign against use of cannabis.

Purpose: change image of cannabis use by

- confrontation of received ideas against real-life experience

- bringing young people to understand health risks involved

- accommodating requests for assistance and disintoxication, from users and families, often isolated or despairing

1. Major public health risk due great increase in use by young:

- at age 18 66% of males and 52% of females have smoked cannabis at least once

- 1 out of 5 (21%) males and 1 out of 10 (9%) of females use cannabis regularly (increase x2/3 : 10 yrs) In France now: 850 000 regular users of cannabis, of which 450 000 daily users, mostly young, with demonstrated adverse effects on health & society.

Figures put France at top of European table with Czech Republic and UK.

% of French youth having already used cannabis higher than any other European country. Addicts represent 25% of specialist care centre activity against 16% in 1998.

2. Age of users going down, resulting in dependency and inherent dangers to adolescents whose brains are still developing - critical period, increased risks.

- at age 16 9% of males are regular users Use by adolescents relatively recent, long-term results unknown.

3. Product on offer today different to 30 yrs ago:

- 2/3 times more concentrated now

- causes acute intoxication, dependency

4. Health risks better identified today, important for everyone to recognise the effects:

- modified perception, concentration & memory, immediate effect Effect of relaxation and numbing of emotions leads to lack of motivation, considered as a principal effect. May affect

- driving of cars, etc

- regular use may lead to memory problems, learning difficulties (poor scolastic results, absenteism)

- adolescent users' interaction with parents and social group suffers, user becomes introvert

- 'bad trip' = vomiting, fainting, hallucinations, delirium, panic attacks...

- regular use dependency c.10-15%, youth users -->30%

- adolescent use may lead to schizophrenia later

- respiratory problems: lung cancer, etc

[rumbleph1$h]

so i gues the guy above and a few others are "talking out of their bung hole."

and can you find ONE SINGLE scientific study that says it is not PHYSICALLY addictive? NO, because its a FACT, sure it's varies in individuals, and don't post something from greenbuds420.com

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(Y) Thank God there is at least one voice of reason in this thread.

I can't believe all the nonsense about, 'i've smoked weed and i'm not addicted and nothing's wrong with me'. Addiction affects people differently. Many people have a genetic predisposition allowing them (or causing them) to become an addict. A big sign of addiction is denial - something that seems to be common in this thread. Addicts are unable to make a connection between the use of a substance and the consequences upon the addict's life.

[Panacik]

(Y) Thank God there is at least one voice of reason in this thread.

I can't believe all the nonsense about, 'i've smoked weed and i'm not addicted and nothing's wrong with me'. Addiction affects people differently. Many people have a genetic predisposition allowing them (or causing them) to become an addict. A big sign of addiction is denial - something that seems to be common in this thread. Addicts are unable to make a connection between the use of a substance and the consequences upon the addict's life.

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If you read my above LONG post it shows the effects etc quite well i think.

[HilariousNinja]

They shouldn't legalise people know it is very bad for their bodies. Of course the people that use it are stupid to discover that.

[GrandMaster]

(Y) Thank God there is at least one voice of reason in this thread.

I can't believe all the nonsense about, 'i've smoked weed and i'm not addicted and nothing's wrong with me'. Addiction affects people differently. Many people have a genetic predisposition allowing them (or causing them) to become an addict. A big sign of addiction is denial - something that seems to be common in this thread. Addicts are unable to make a connection between the use of a substance and the consequences upon the addict's life.

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I disagree with your denial argument. It can be used on almost everything. And why do you suppose that you can make the connection better then anyone else? Perhaps the benefits of marijuana (getting high) outweigh the consequences for some people? Who are you to tell them whats right and wrong?

They shouldn't legalise people know it is very bad for their bodies. Of course the people that use it are stupid to discover that.

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Im glad youre such a genius, i wish i could be as smart as you. Please write up some commandments that i could follow, you clearly are more intelligent then me or any other marijuana user, perhaps you should dictate what we should eat? :angry:

Edited May 3, 2005 by NyaR

[rumbleph1$h]

I disagree with your denial argument....

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lol,

'nuff said

[TomUsher]

Personally, I believe it shouldn't be legalised. There are too many kids smoking it at the moment, and I hate to think how legalising it would affect these numbers.

As for the effects, I agree it probably isn't as harmful as alcohol and even tobacco, but I have noticed (from seeing friends over the years) that one's attitude can change significantly as a result of the drug, I've noted a seemingly serious affect on education, treatment of others, and general mental state. While cannabis may not have direct short term effects, the apparent 'relaxed' feeling seems to instill carelessness and thus can lead to more serious drug use, and disregard for safety.

[stanneh]

been smoking pot now for 15yrs

i have never been in trouble with the law i have never assaulted anybody or gone insane from the weed.

ffs legalize it and stop making me a criminal.

ps if you dont wanna get ripped off grow yer own.

[SOB BOT]

this thread is funny :D

[ChopSuey]

Geez... everyone chill out and smoke a doob! :)

[stanneh]

been awake all of 35 mnts im just rolling my second of the day :D

[jymi]

Marijuana should be legalised because it is one of the safest natural drugs. It is a drug that can have beneficial qualities so why keep it illegal? In addition to these facts, it is a better alternative than other drugs that are currently prescribed and used socially.

Marijuana is a safe drug. As quoted in The Age, October 1993 by Associate Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, Doctor Lester Grinspoon ?nearly all medicines have toxic potentially lethal effects. But marijuana is not such a substance ... Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest active substances known to man.? Dr Grinspoon also goes on to state that he ?would like to see the day when the full medical potential of cannabis is recognised. Then it will be seen in the same light as other so-called wonder drugs: penicillin, aspirin and insulin. There is no plant with so many therapeutic qualities. It is one of the safest drugs known to mankind.?

In addition to it showing no harmful effects, marijuana/cannabis is useful against such diseases as HIV, AIDS, MS (multiple sclerosis) It helps curb weight loss through increased desire for food. The nausea involved in such diseases as HIV and AIDS. Marijuana/cannabis is considered by some medical professionals as being extremely effective.  ?the conventional anti- nausea drugs just don?t work? Director of HIV AIDS services at Fairfield Hospital Melbourne, Doctor Anne Mijch said.

As well as being beneficial to an individuals health, and showing no significant damaging effects to the body in its naturalist form, marijuana provides a safer alternative than many of the current legal drugs. One in particular being alcohol.

Let?s think of two drugs, we will call them drug 1 & drug 2. Drug 1 is taken by millions of people every day, it is considered socially acceptable and looked down upon if it is not taken. The results can be violent and destructive. It causes many accidents that cause death to many people each year (4000 in Australia in 1995, source: AIHW, unpublished data, 1997). Drug 2 on the other hand brings happiness to the people who take it. It helps some people get through the day by taking away the physical pain of every day life. It is addictive but perhaps not as addictive as some other legal drugs, such as drug 1. However if it was revealed to stranger that drug 1. (Alcohol) the destructive drug, was legal, and drug 2 (marijuana) the happy drug was illegal they would perhaps, like me be very confused.

It could be said that society already suffers enough from legal drugs, why bring another into the system? Well, considering that marijuana has lesser effects than alcohol, as well as having fewer deaths annually and reducing aggressiveness in the user. It is hard to see why there shouldn?t be a legal alternative than the common, accepted, drug of alcohol.

Another argument is that marijuana is an unstable mixture of more than 425 chemicals that convert to thousands when smoked? How about we eliminate the smoking factor? If marijuana is nebulized then it eliminates the majority of the ?dangerous chemicals? involved when smoked. Another consideration need to be noted that, when any plant is smoked, dangerous chemicals are released, no matter whether the plant is legal or not.

Marijuana use can cause: premature cancer, addiction, co-ordination and perception impairment, depression, schizophrenia, memory loss, reproductive disabilities and impairment of the immune system. Unfortunately traditionally people only believed to be true due to their gullible conforming minds taking 1920?s propaganda seriously, which has been recycled through the 70?s and to date is still used. Scientists and Doctors have shown that there are no results indicative of this. Doctor Greg Chesher; a pharmacologist stated that there is no evidence that marijuana would cause schizophrenia. ?While the evidence is hotly disputed, the incidence of cannabis use is going up and reports of schizophrenia are going down. If they are directly correlated there should be a significant increase in schizophrenia.? (Sydney Morning Herald, 18 February 1994). A point worth noting is that all of the cases of illnesses attributed to marijuana usage (hasn?t been scientifically proven) Additionally these illnesses are also evident in the usage of alcohol.

I believe that there is strong evidence presented which demonstrates that marijuana should be legalised. Marijuana/cannabis provides a safer alternative as a social drug. As well as having health benefits and social benefits, marijuana is a safe drug that could and should be used for medical treatment and the recreational use of mankind.

email from a mate.

thought this might be an interesting read for some of you involved in this thread.

[DannyGlass]

They shouldn't legalise people know it is very bad for their bodies. Of course the people that use it are stupid to discover that.

They shouldnt have smoking and alcohol legalised then because people know its very bad for there bodies and still smoke, Also the people that drink or smoke it are stupid to discover that aswell. Alcohol and Smoking deaths are rising very high and very quickly, so why should they ban that?

-DannyGlass