Official NFL Season 2005 Thread

[sanctified Veteran]

(and I bet you were one of them)

Nope. In fact I didnt care about him untill the hype machine started.

O, and Big Ben CHOKED in the big games last year

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Well, at least he managed to take his team into the big games ;)

Dont remember that Big Ben is also on his second year? Comparing both years, who is doing more things? Here is a clue, his first name doesnt start with "E".

Dont fool yourself with that "Ben is just lucky because he is in a good team". How many QB's haven been on excelent teams and choked? HUNDREDS! The better the team the better the QB needs to be in order to use it effectively in all their possibilities. Ben, as a rookie, choked on the big games, agreed but Ben as a rookie took his team into the big games. Or you are implying that Maddox would have done better? I dont think so ;)

[pimpshiznid]

The Colts-Titans game was pretty lackluster to me.

The Titans offense simply gave up after they scored that touchdown. Seeing Walter Payton's son make those repeated rushes in the last couple minutes was nice, but I think they could have made another touchdown instead of letting the time run out like they did. I don't even think they used their last timeout.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the Colts winning today, but not much of a game was played, TBH. Especially all those penalties. Those hurt the Titans, bad. And I also feel the game was badly reffed. There were so many calls that went on without a hitch. The local sportcasters were tearing into the refs any chance they got.

[Prosidius]

Nah well actually they'll be behind because of the byes Chicago and Detroit will have had. Percentage-wise they'll be behind. Still quite sad though. :rofl:

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If the Packers won't win tomorrow, I'm a 4-0 Bengals fan. J/K

How about them Bengals?

[bigbluepride35]

Ben had a better and healthy team too. Again, I'm not trying to take away from Ben except that you can't say he wins the big games because he still hasn't and neither has Eli. And just guiding your team to the big games isn't important either, it's winning them.

The hype machine DID start before the draft. And even I was skeptical. And last year I didn't like what I saw until those last two games. And I'll be critical as hell of him when he has bad games. I'm like that with my teams. When they do bad I can easily admit it and not make excuses (ie: our defense blew last week).

Roethlisberger also played FIVE more games than Eli last year (yes that IS a lot in a 16 game season) plus the extra playoff games.

Again, I never said anything about Eli being better than Roethlisberger and I'm not arguing that now. In my initial post I merely said people should stop hating on the guy. I didn't even bring up Roethlisberger. You did, saying how much better he is than Eli. And yeah, right now I'm not going to argue that with you. But like I said, I'd like to have this debate in 5 years.

I mean you want to trash a guy because there's hype around him? How's that his fault? At least give him one full season to pass judgment. Like I sadi, I will gladly eat my words if he doesn't deliver. I said I think he'll justify what the Giants gave up. If he doesn't, I'll admit I was wrong.

O, and anyone else realize what a fantasy stud Neil Rackers is becoming because of Arizona's inept offense? The guy has a booming leg and gets 4-5 chances every game :laugh: :rofl:

[sanctified Veteran]

Big post here

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i agree in most of your points, but at least concede the point that Eli himself added a lot to that hype machine.

[bigbluepride35]

i agree in most of your points, but at least concede the point that Eli himself added a lot to that hype machine.

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How did he do that? All he did was express how badly he wanted to NOT play for SD. He doesn't show an ego in interviews talking about how great he is. And to be honest, at first even I was like who the hell is he to do that. But after seeing what happened with Rivers, I can't blame him. If you want to say his taking that stand added to the hype? I think the hype was about him having to live up to the Manning name or what-not more than anything else. And he can't help that. Even when he went back to San Diego last week in all the interviews he wasan't like, "See? I told you so" or anything. He expected the boos and he understood why he'd get the boos and he played his best game to that point. If the defense figured out LT the Giants might have won, too. I think the kid's been pure class since he arrived at NY.

[sanctified Veteran]

But his reasons for not wanting to play in SD showed his ego, that was my point

[Laughing-Man]

Woah woah, did someone just say we shouldn't make fun of Eli Manning?! NEVER!!!

He will remain the butt of my NFL jokes forever.

Edited October 3, 2005 by jmole

[mr_skrilla]

I hate the raiders

[devBrian]

Woah woah, did someone just say we shouldn't make fun of Eli Manning?!  NEVER!!!

He will remain the butt of my NFL jokes forever.

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Amen brother! Remember what team gave him a royal welcome to the NFL.

Iggles baby. :)

[BroChaos Veteran]

all it comes down to is this:

no unproven rookie is above the rest of the NFL. no unproven rookie should ever dictate which team drafts him, instead of the other way around. i will always hate eli for what he did, and i will never respect him because of it.

[bigbluepride35]

all it comes down to is this:

no unproven rookie is above the rest of the NFL.? no unproven rookie should ever dictate which team drafts him, instead of the other way around.? i will always hate eli for what he did, and i will never respect him because of it.

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You don't repsect John Elway either?

And no I'm not saying Eli is John Elway but if that's the sole reason why you'll hate and not respect ELi then you should feel the same way about Elway. Now, if you don't like Eli just because you don't like the guy well then fine but if that's your reasoning Elway's in the same boat.

[devBrian]

Hope this Terrance Murphy kid is okay.

[Laughing-Man]

all it comes down to is this:

no unproven rookie is above the rest of the NFL.  no unproven rookie should ever dictate which team drafts him, instead of the other way around.  i will always hate eli for what he did, and i will never respect him because of it.

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Tim Couch was the ultimate rookie, how dare you speak otherwise!

[Prosidius]

Nice to know I'll owe 5 bucks now that the pack are losing. :(

[BroChaos Veteran]

You don't repsect John Elway either?

And no I'm not saying Eli is John Elway but if that's the sole reason why you'll hate and not respect ELi then you should feel the same way about Elway. Now, if you don't like Eli just because you don't like the guy well then fine but if that's your reasoning Elway's in the same boat.

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if thats the case, then yes.

i don't care WHO you are. you do not have the right to dictate to the NFL.

[bigbluepride35]

The last two weeks in the NFC North a team that has had a bye week has taken over first place :rofl: :laugh:. 1-2 record=first place

[Steffan]

The 9ers named Alex Smith as the starter. His first game is against the Colts. I hope he doesn't crap his pants like Eli did after the first hit.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor..._len&id=2181151

[bigbluepride35]

The Pats might be without Seymour against Atlanta. Against that team's running game on top of all the other injuries the Pats have had? Has to be a bit worrisome for any Pats fans. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2182787

[saotome6]

All im saying is that michigan wolverines suck

[bigbluepride35]

Well, thanks for that indispensable contribution. Of course, you are aware this is the NFL thread not NCAA, right? ;)

[saotome6]

yea another team that sucks are the NY Giants

[+StevoFC MVC]

Vick isn't playing today against NE...

[+StevoFC MVC]

58yd field goal for Atlanta...wow.

[kainashi]

They're more dangerous with Vick... If you don't believe that, you don't know anything about football.

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vick is too inconsistent to be a great quarterback, imo.