Pentium or AMD?

[Digitalprophet]

It's proven that when comparing Athlons to P4s at the same Internal Clock speeds, the Athlons execute 13.45% more instructions per clock than the P4s. Intel relies on long pipelines for their fast Internal Clocks and AMD relies on slightly shorter pipelines to do more IPCs at similar Internal Clocks speeds. So if you get an Athlon XP 2200+ Thoroughbred and OC it to match the P4 Northwood's Internal Clock, you would allready have beaten the new P4 in performance.

[Beta]

intel is better than amd

please let me explain

i think intel is much more reliable than amd

i also think that that amd is more powerfull than intel (that's statisticly) but intel is more reliable cause all software is developed for intel machines

so its up to you really if you think one is way better than other, one or the other would be out of business by now

[azazel-]

Originally posted by Beta

intel is better than amd

please let me explain

i think intel is much more reliable than amd

i also think that that amd is more powerfull than intel (that's statisticly) but intel is more reliable cause all software is developed for intel machines

so its up to you really if you think one is way better than other, one or the other would be out of business by now

Can I see where you got the reference for AMD being more powerful, "statisticly"? Do you mean most software is developed for Intel, or do you mean it's developed for the x86 architecture? Or do you even understand what I just asked?

Do you know how to properly use correct capitalization and punctuation? Do you have a point?

[Steven]

Originally posted by azazel-

Can I see where you got the reference for AMD being more powerful, "statisticly"? Do you mean most software is developed for Intel, or do you mean it's developed for the x86 architecture? Or do you even understand what I just asked?

Do you know how to properly use correct capitalization and punctuation? Do you have a point?

INTEL :)

[Digitalprophet]

Here's what the CPUs can and can't do.

Athlon: MMX, SSE, MMX+, 3DNow!, 3DNow+

P4: MMX, SSE, SSE2

[hobsgrg]

Originally posted by Wickedkitten

You must be smoking crack cos first of all Intel has not been making pentium chips for 30+ years, and amd has been around a hell of a lot longer than 2-3 years and for most of the years they have actually been up to par with Intel if not faster.

I'm sure you would be perfectly fine with a p4 :roll:

Intel have been making CPU chips since they made the first one on november 15th, 1971, so they might not have been making pentiums for 30+ years but they've been making chips for 30+ years. AMD has been around since 1969 and have been making CPUs since the 1980's, they actually used to make CPU's on intels behalf to help them keep up with demand. AMD first launched their own CPU in 1996 the AMD K5, just some useless trivia for u guys.

[Initial 2k2]

Originally posted by hobsgrg

Intel have been making CPU chips since they made the first one on november 15th, 1971, so they might not have been making pentiums for 30+ years but they've been making chips for 30+ years. AMD has been around since 1969 and have been making CPUs since the 1980's, they actually used to make CPU's on intels behalf to help them keep up with demand. AMD first launched their own CPU in 1996 the AMD K5, just some useless trivia for u guys.

Ja suck on that!

[Initial 2k2]

Btw, I think Im gonna go Intel, because of the better chipsets and RD-Ram.. so0o0o, now I just gotta wait till early next yr ;)

VIA just SUCKS.. SiS pwnz em

[twist]

here we go again :ponder:

[Eldoen]

Interesting reading.

Now from one that has seen it from the original 4004 to the latest and greatest:)

Intel is overpriced monopolistic hardware. and that is being kind.

But beyond, Almost any CPU design class will tell you that the 8088 and 8086 were a **** poor design, (acutally the IBM engineers wanted to drop it from the original PC)

But as all things in this industry Politics prevailed. Even in the late 70's thre was a better chip design than what Intel provided.

Unfortantly, IBM already had deliverables and the rest is history.

But back to modern days. AMD has heat issues with their current designs to be sure, but with proper cooling the chips are stable.

Intel has a different design in the P4, which lowers their IPC even compared to the P3 but it does give them a Large leeway in clock speed. IOW they have a great deal of leeway to push the clock speed up. (which they have had to do to compete with the current XP line from AMD)

There was comments about Rdram. I would be leary of Rdram at this point. FTC is looking into them and there are more than just a few lawsuits against them. and they are a fabless wonder.

Rambus makes about 80% of its money from licensing fees to produce DDR ram. If they are found to be in violation and in fraud

(and there is precidence for this already in the Infineon case) Rambus will have to pay back all of those Fees. and then some.

Now remember this, Rambus makes less money actually selling Rdram than it does from those that make DDR. and to pay back all those fees (we are talking several years now) would bankrupt the company easily.

There is also the possibility that some of the patents that they have may be found null and void also.

Just a friendly warning.

Now on to the point at hand. It is your money, if you want to pay for an Intel system note that you will be paying about 30% more for a comparable AMD system. And it may or may not be more reliable.

The biggest warning I can give Avoid Via CHIPSETS with a passion.

El

[zivan56]

Get a PIV I have a 2.0A which runs @ 20*C idle, and 30*C under full load. However, if you dont have the money or want to upgrade get an AMD Athlon XP. Just don't get a non-Intel chipset for the PIV like ones from SIS, VIA, they is nothing worse than my SIS 530, it damaged the video and sound card (Which are onboard and can't be fixed). I have to agree older AMD processors (Like AM486DX 100) work better and more efficiently than the Pentium.

[uniacid]

well if I'm not wrong I tihnk u can find some P4 2Ghz for $200

[xelencin]

amd has been around for 20+ years

an old apple classic i had, had an amd chip in it

so bleh

[xelencin]

Originally posted by hobsgrg

Intel have been making CPU chips since they made the first one on november 15th, 1971, so they might not have been making pentiums for 30+ years but they've been making chips for 30+ years. AMD has been around since 1969 and have been making CPUs since the 1980's, they actually used to make CPU's on intels behalf to help them keep up with demand. AMD first launched their own CPU in 1996 the AMD K5, just some useless trivia for u guys.

K5 the first? I had a AMD 486DX2 80MHz...

[MaRkY]

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[Initial 2k2]

$226 - Pentium 4 2.2GHz Sock 478

$214 - Athlon XP 2200

[dan]

AMD have not been around for 2-3 years, It does not matter what speed the CPU/Mobo/Bus speed runs at. The question is there is a piece of software out there today that can take advantage of a 533Mhz bus (NOT an 800Mhz Bus! LOL)

Has any1 explained that it is not the stated frequency at all as well. It can be pitched at 533Mhz because the Bus runs at 133Mhz but is "quad pumped" - not that that makes much of a difference. Hence 133x4 = 532 actually.

AMD has not always been behing either. Can I ask who was the first to 1Ghz? It certainly wasnt Intel.

Clawhammer is set to debut at 2Ghz and will rip the p1ss out of anything Intel can come up with.

The fact of the matter is that once a CPU has hit 1Ghz the performance difference is not noticable. Its like comparing a GeForce 2 GTS to a Geforce 4 Ti 4600. They will both do Quake 3 at 1024x768 with max details at 60fps and 200fps respectively. But can you tell the difference?

and if u want ne more argument::: anything by Intel SUCKS BIG PORTIONS OF DONKEY D1CK! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[theprotege]

i just dropped $900 on my new system...amd 2200+, 1 gb of ram, 128mb video card, ibm 45 gig drive, sblive gamer, antec case, and a 16x plextor burner...had a few bucks left over so i bought a can of spray paint to touch up my floppy drive to match the case...

$900 for the latest intel system would get me as far as the mobo, processor and case, with maybe some change left over for a cheeseburger and fries.

this is my first amd...and wont be my last...

its cheap, its fast...it gets the job done...

[SimGuy]

Before you can make a choice on your CPU of choice, you have to sit down and evaluate what you are actually going to be USING the computer for?

Now, as my name suggests, I'm a die-hard AMD fan. Been there ever since the AMD K6 233 back in 1997, and even though I am the die-hard AMD fan, my personal preference of CPU's doesn't reflect what I sell to customers.

Most customers balk at the idea of using an AMD processor in their system simply because it doesn't have the brand name logo recognition and corporate power behind the "Intel Inside" slogan. "Chipzilla" has been around for almost 34 years (being officially incorporated on July 18, 1968) and in that time has released many different processors, all with unparalleled success.

Now, I would be willing to estimate that 85% of all people here on NeoWin have had at least 1 PC powered by some form of an Intel processor (whether it was the good ol' 4004, 8008, 8086, 8088, 286, i386, i486, Pentium P54C, Pentium P55C, Pentium II, Pentium III, Pentium IV, the Celeron or the Itanium). Most of us have experienced an Intel-powered machine and have used them (if not at home, then at work).

If most people ever care to notice, most corporate information technology departments purchase PC's powered by an Intel processor simply because of the stability they are known for, their lasting quality and brand name recognition. Sure, corporations may pay a little more for the "Intel Inside" namesake, but they are paying for a quality product.

As the old saying goes "Nobody gets fired for purchasing IBM..."

Now, enter AMD. Yes, the AMD 486 was just like the Intel 486 in the sense that it did 32-bit x86 processing and they both fit into the same motherboard connector (good old Socket 3). The AMD K5 was a dismal failure in North America and Europe. Running at 133 MHz, this 486-enhanced core only operated at a Pentium-Rating of 75.

Enter the K6. Socket 7 Compatible.... just as fast (if not faster) than Intel's comparable Pentium P54C and P55C, but cheaper in cost.

Time-warp ahead 5 years: 2002.

Enter the AMD Athlon XP and the Intel Pentium IV.

Both great processors with MORE than enough power for everyday applications. Whether it's surfing the internet, creating electronic documents in an office-productivity suite or working in home publication software, both the AMD and Intel offerings work at acceptable levels. Even for gaming, both the AMD Athlon XP and the Intel Pentium IV hold respectable standings when playing today's hottest games.

Now, I'm sure I'm going to get flamed by the benchmarking crowd, but quite frankly, it doesn't matter to me. There is more to using your computer than running 3DMark2001, PCMark2002, Sisoft SANDRA or any of the other major benchmarks on your system simply for bragging rights.

Quite frankly, when it all comes down to it, customers don't care if an AMD system scores 12500 and an Intel system scores 12499 in some benchmark that taxes a computer system. All most consumers care about is getting a quality computer that won't lock up on them, loose their data or malfunction on them.

Case and point: AMD Athlon XP and the heat issue.

Sure, most of us love our AMD Athlon XP's (or comparable AMD processors), but then again, most of us are the type of computer enthusiast that would dig out the hole-saw and cut a blowhole or 2 in the side of our case (I'm included in this generalization). Most consumers wouldn't ever dream of doing this. As well, they don't want something that is going to become a space-heater for them. A nice cool, error-free computer is what 90% of the computer-purchasing public will want. Because of this fact, I recommend the purchase of the Pentium IV to most customers simply because of less servicing issues (heat-related CPU failures and consequently failures of other hardware devices due to overheating).

However, if you are the type that doesn't mind modifying your case for more adequate cooling of your CPU and major system components, then AMD is the choice for you. Yes, price is an issue as well, but when you are going to be purchasing a new system or upgrading an older system, you should purchase the **best** hardware you can afford at the time to maximize the time required between your next system overhaul.

**Takes Breather...**

To conclude, you simply have to evaluate how much you want to spend and what you are going to be using your PC for and use this information to influence your CPU purchase decision.

It seems like the Socket A line is slowly reaching it's maximum with the 2200+ series of AMD Athlon XP processors. Even with the introduction of the Thoroughbred core, we see that the Socket A platform just can't deliver much more than is currently possible. For this reason, I would hold off on purchasing an AMD system right now (at least until the 'Hammer' falls).

Therefore, at this time in the year, I would have to recommend the Pentium IV CPU simply because the Socket 478 architecture has more "life" left in it and won't be abandoned anytime soon in favour of a newer, CPU connection architecture.

Recommendation for July 8th, 2002 @ 9:47 AM EST: Pentium IV

//Ending of rant...

[AzNPlaYBoi604]

So I shouldn't get an AMD if I'm not willing to cut a blowhole in my case?

[Groovedude]

hehe i dunno about this when people ask... I have a P4 1.5ghz.. and a AMD Athlon 1.33ghz.. i would say the P4 Is probably better they have the least problems.. AMD has a thig about over heating.. but then if u buy a gd enough fan i suppose it wont happen but p4 comes with a nice fan ;)

[username]

why is the thread called

Pentium or AMD?

Intel makes the Pentium and AMD makes the Athlon. Yeah, I know its picky but every thread like this its call "pentium vs AMD" Get it right because you are not even comparing the same two things.

[Dean]

easy question.

intel.

i build systems for a living and although i build more amd systems

due to the price. the intel system are by far more stable.

i never have any problems with intel systems. i have never had a bad intel proc. i have a box filled with bad amd procs.

customers are always crushing their amd procs because of their fans. the procs are very fragile. intel uses heat spreaders to save the life of the cpu die.

amd will start using this feature with its hammer proc. good thing when you build a die out of tinfoil.

[Meltdown07]

If you're going to make/buy a high end machine, intel is the only way to fly. First let me explain myself before rabid AMD fans flame me.

I own an Athlon. It has been a great system, but it is not without the quirks. Some games will randomly crash with it, etc. Its been picky at times, no doubt about it. I recently just upgraded from this athlon system to a 2.26 GHz P4, and let me say, I am very pleased. I have always been a big AMD fan, and used to be a part of the anti-intel bandwagon, but AMD let me down. They aren't competiting right now. Thats not to say they wont be when the hammer falls, but it hasnt shown up yet. AMD is not competing with Northwood and/or the 533Mhz (133 quad pumped) bus on newer intel machines. Because of this I switched back to intel. If you can wait, hold out to see how well the hammer does or does not perform. Initial benchmarks should be out 3rd quarter. However, if you need a new system right now, there really isnt any competition unless money is a big issue for you.

P4 2.26Ghz and a Gigabyte GA-8IEXP is my recommendation. Intel systems are definitely more stable. I can attest to that too, but I will always love AMD, no matter what system I am currently using.

[+Anarkii Subscriber²]

going back to the first post.....

i got a amd xp 1800+, it works fine, is stable, and fast. I had to get a volcano 7+ cooler for it thou and its now idling around 35c.

im sure the intel runs at lower temp, but as a amd user, the high temps might be a corcern in the summer months.

money was a issue for me, so i went with amd.

if money ISNT a issue go with the pentium

if money IS a issue, go with the amd xp, and get a good heatsink fan as ull need it.

hope that sheds some light