Dell 3007WFP

[+dave164 Subscriber¹]

To big really i think for gaming and for a computer, nice if you watch movies and use it as a media center, etc.. but otherwise i wouldnt like it, 20.1" is big enough for me

dave164

[Syphonic]

To big really i think for gaming and for a computer, nice if you watch movies and use it as a media center, etc.. but otherwise i wouldnt like it, 20.1" is big enough for me

dave164

Agreed. Once you hit about 20.1" you have to start looking around the screen with your eyes. My 20.1 is perfect for me, though 30" would be useful for my photography I wouldnt be using it often enough.

Edited January 20, 2006 by Syphonic

[kaffra]

^lol double post? i was wondering if i was getting drunk with coffee :/

[Smigit]

To big really i think for gaming and for a computer, nice if you watch movies and use it as a media center, etc.. but otherwise i wouldnt like it, 20.1" is big enough for me

dave164

Personally I disagree. 20.1 is hardly larger than a 19inch LCD, infact in terms of total area it is probably smaller due to the decreased height.

I'm going for a 24inch model, but there certainly is a market for 30inch (and larger) displays. THink media PC's, think designers and thats a more realistic market for this monitor. SOme gamers will go for it too. Some will say youd need to turn to see everything, well consider that many developers and cad programmers use multiple monitors, up to 3 (sometimes more) in a line then thats obviously not a concern. Likewise alot of gamers have similar setups and in an FPS the larger screen realestate just mens you fit more on, so your only turning if you need to, but even looking at the centre of the screen and perhaps missing the outside you still get more details than other gamers. It's also more realistic and brings in a whole notion of perephial veision into PC shooters.

[GmElliott]

The whole point about having to "turn" your head to see the entire screen shouldn't be an issue unless your sitting with it several inches away from your nose. If you have a good viewing distance the monitor will fill a good amount of your vision and not be a strain.

That said I'm still struggling with a few aspects of the new 30". For one all my WMV/MPGS in WMP look shakey like they are experioencing interference. I know it's not interfrenence becaue nothing else on the screen exibits this disturbance. I had to go into WMP properties and change some settings under "Performance" disabling "use overlays", and "Use high quality mode". That seemed to do the trick. The brightness and white point are frusterating. At full brightness it's still dimmer than the 24" about 3/5 the way maxed out. Plus regardless of how much tweaking of the white point (via Adobe Gamma) I can't seem to get rid of the warm cast in the whites. Even if I choose a cool blue 9300k white point the white still appear too warm for my taste. Problem is the 30" offers no in monitor calibrations so your stuck using software like Adobe Gamma, the graphics card's drivers, or my personal last resort a hardware/software combo calibrator.

If my LaCie blue eye fails to cool the whites off a bit I may exchange the 30" back in for another 24" and call it a day. Though I'll miss the vertical space the 30" awards me.

nice. Have you considered creating a new topic in the review section. BTW welcome to neowin.

Thank you. Is there a rule against re-posts/double posts? If not I'll go ahead and re-post it in a more appropriate forum.

[Ajapi]

Personally I disagree. 20.1 is hardly larger than a 19inch LCD, infact in terms of total area it is probably smaller due to the decreased height.

I'm going for a 24inch model, but there certainly is a market for 30inch (and larger) displays. THink media PC's, think designers and thats a more realistic market for this monitor. SOme gamers will go for it too. Some will say youd need to turn to see everything, well consider that many developers and cad programmers use multiple monitors, up to 3 (sometimes more) in a line then thats obviously not a concern. Likewise alot of gamers have similar setups and in an FPS the larger screen realestate just mens you fit more on, so your only turning if you need to, but even looking at the centre of the screen and perhaps missing the outside you still get more details than other gamers. It's also more realistic and brings in a whole notion of perephial veision into PC shooters.

While a 20.1" is hardly any larger than a 19" in actual size, its the resolution that makes the difference: 19" are 1280x1024, while 20.1" are 1600x1200. As for the 30" monitors...I'd have to use one to tell, but I reckon the Internet is just way too damn tin for such a monitor. I do a lot of surfing, and I'm pretty sure most webpages would fit like in a little corner of the monitor :p

[lawtai]

heh and I thought having a 19" LCD was big enough...

[GmElliott]

While a 20.1" is hardly any larger than a 19" in actual size, its the resolution that makes the difference: 19" are 1280x1024, while 20.1" are 1600x1200. As for the 30" monitors...I'd have to use one to tell, but I reckon the Internet is just way too damn tin for such a monitor. I do a lot of surfing, and I'm pretty sure most webpages would fit like in a little corner of the monitor :p

Yeah web-browsing it a little ridiculous. You should see google. It's the tiny little "google" logo swimming in a SEA of white! I have to make my web-browser screens 1/2 or 1/4 size. Though I can view 1-4 webpages simultaneously.

[JLA]

Well, this monitor is everything and more

Running it on a Precision 670 (2X Dual Xeon 2.8 GHz Dual Core Processors, Dell PERC SCSI Raid Controller, 2X 146GB 15K U320 Drives w/RAID 0, 4GB RAM, XP Pro) and an EVGA 256MB 7800GT Video Card.

Everything works perfectly together and it is amazing.

Have the brightness turned all the way down and it is much better on the eyes.

This display is far superior to that of the Apple 30in Cinema Display.

Good Job Dell

[Smigit]

While a 20.1" is hardly any larger than a 19" in actual size, its the resolution that makes the difference: 19" are 1280x1024, while 20.1" are 1600x1200. As for the 30" monitors...I'd have to use one to tell, but I reckon the Internet is just way too damn tin for such a monitor. I do a lot of surfing, and I'm pretty sure most webpages would fit like in a little corner of the monitor :p

yes, but it wasnt made for web browsing and I doubt many people that bought it got it for that purpose at all.

and while what you say about the resolution is true, there are alot of people that require more than 1600x1200. My friend has a 20 inch dell and 2x 19 inch monitors in his setup and there will be people out there that requre even more.

[excalpius]

Note that you can change the font sizes by default when web browsing on such monitors in the Internet Explorer/internet tools/accessibility settings. "Ignore fonts sizes specified in web pages" is particularly useful. :)

[mustang77]

Hey guys. Just ran across this thread in Google while researching this monitor.

I ordered one of these bad boys earlier today. I should be getting it up on Monday. Anyone else here get one yet? It's damm expensive, but there are a few good deals kicking around out there for us early-adopters.

Can't wait to get this thing hooked up and cookin'! :D

[rashaanp]

I settled on the E-VGA Nvidia G-Force 6600GT which retails for $150 at NewEgg.com. It only requires a 350watt powersupply and has Dual-DVI support. After I swapped out the VAIO's ATi X300 for the new 6600GT I was able to view the Dell 30" for the first time in all of it's 2560x1600 native resolution glory. Here's my impression.....

GMElliott, just wondering what evga 6600GT you're using to drive the 30" lcd. On newegg, there are 5 evga 6600gt models. I'd prefer the pci express 2 dvi port 128MB card, so I can drive two digital lcds.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?DE

Thanks,

Allan

[GmElliott]

Hey guys. Just ran across this thread in Google while researching this monitor.

I ordered one of these bad boys earlier today. I should be getting it up on Monday. Anyone else here get one yet? It's damm expensive, but there are a few good deals kicking around out there for us early-adopters.

Can't wait to get this thing hooked up and cookin'! :D

They sold me mine for $1999.99 USD and I didn't even ask for the $200 discount. Very nice of them.

GMElliott, just wondering what evga 6600GT you're using to drive the 30" lcd. On newegg, there are 5 evga 6600gt models. I'd prefer the pci express 2 dvi port 128MB card, so I can drive two digital lcds.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?DE

Thanks,

Allan

Allan- it's the PCI-E 6600gt with two dvi ports (128meg) I forget the model # off the top of my head but I linked you directly to it via PM.

[mustang77]

They sold me mine for $1999.99 USD and I didn't even ask for the $200 discount. Very nice of them.

Not bad, but I got mine through a Dell reseller (with the 3 year warranty) for $1849 with shipping. No tax either. :D

[GmElliott]

Not bad, but I got mine through a Dell reseller (with the 3 year warranty) for $1849 with shipping. No tax either. :D

It's ok my STi will smoke your Mustang...not that we are comparing or anything. :p

Btw, that is indeed a good deal!

[l77Il7H]

they need to start making bigger lcd with lower resolution. everything is so small. i hate having to put my face so close to the screen sometimes when i have to read small texts. it really hurts.

lcd tv doesn't really make great computer screen because it's very complicated to set it up and you can never get the settings to be exact. worst, most lcd tv don't even have dvi input. you're forced to use vga, which really blows.

[JLA]

Just turn your text and icon setting up to the larger size in display properties.

That is what it is for

This display is absolutely the best... PERFECT!

[houkouonchi]

I also bought the 3007WFP, for $1600 off ebay.

Unfortionately I cant run it at 2560x1600, linux and windows agree my laptop is dual link, and it seems to be a video bios issue, someone with a near identical motherboard (inspiron 9300 vs my xps gen 2) and a geforce go 6800 non-ultra is able to run 2560x1600 on his 30 inch apple, and I am stuck at 1280x800 with my gaming notebook(the higher end model) with the geforce go 7800 gtx, oh well.

here are some pictures showing windows detects as dual link:

http://www.houkouonchi.net/3007wfp/device_adjustments.png

it would list 1280x800 as the maximum resolution if it was single link(I have tested this on another system with a nvidia single link card)

Linux xorg.log shows:

(**) NVIDIA(0): Use of NVIDIA internal AGP requested

(II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce Go 7800 GTX at PCI:1:0:0

(--) NVIDIA(0): VideoRAM: 262144 kBytes

(--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 05.70.02.19.12

(II) NVIDIA(0): Detected PCI Express Link width: 16X

(--) NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes are supported on this GPU

(--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce Go 7800 GTX at

(--) NVIDIA(0): PCI:1:0:0:

(--) NVIDIA(0): LPL (DFP-0)

(--) NVIDIA(0): Dell 3007WFP (DFP-1)

(--) NVIDIA(0): LPL (DFP-0): 310 MHz maximum pixel clock

(--) NVIDIA(0): LPL (DFP-0): Internal Dual Link LVDS

(--) NVIDIA(0): Dell 3007WFP (DFP-1): 310 MHz maximum pixel clock

(--) NVIDIA(0): Dell 3007WFP (DFP-1): Internal Dual Link TMDS

(II) NVIDIA(0): Assigned Display Devices: DFP-0, DFP-1

linux nvidia-settnigs utility shows:

http://www.houkouonchi.net/3007wfp/nvidia-settings2.png

however in the BIOS/boot loader/boot cd's, anything other than linux/windows where I can force 1280x800 output, I get lines:

http://www.houkouonchi.net/3007wfp/IM006414.JPG

Doesnt this suck? I am stuck at resolution like this:

http://www.houkouonchi.net/3007wfp/IM006424.JPG

When the whole reason I upgraded to this monitor was for resolution, I upgraded from running 2560x1920 on a 22 inch CRT to this, this sure sucks, I talked to a dell manager and wrote up a big thing about the issues and why its not the LCD, or specific to my laptop which he said he could forward to an engineer, we shall see, it might be a crippled bios like I know some 7800 XFX cards were.

[mikeboy]

it does, really bad... damn man, that must really burn

[illicit]

it does, really bad... damn man, that must really burn

Indeed... that is too bad.

[graeme_7799]

can someone recommend a relatively cheap card that will support this? prefferably with 256MB or more... I wish dell had a complete list of supported cards

[arsekicker]

I also bought the 3007WFP, for $1600 off ebay.

Unfortionately I cant run it at 2560x1600, linux and windows agree my laptop is dual link, and it seems to be a video bios issue, someone with a near identical motherboard (inspiron 9300 vs my xps gen 2) and a geforce go 6800 non-ultra is able to run 2560x1600 on his 30 inch apple, and I am stuck at 1280x800 with my gaming notebook(the higher end model) with the geforce go 7800 gtx, oh well.

here are some pictures showing windows detects as dual link:

http://www.houkouonchi.net/3007wfp/device_adjustments.png

it would list 1280x800 as the maximum resolution if it was single link(I have tested this on another system with a nvidia single link card)

Linux xorg.log shows:

(**) NVIDIA(0): Use of NVIDIA internal AGP requested

(II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce Go 7800 GTX at PCI:1:0:0

(--) NVIDIA(0): VideoRAM: 262144 kBytes

(--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 05.70.02.19.12

(II) NVIDIA(0): Detected PCI Express Link width: 16X

(--) NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes are supported on this GPU

(--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce Go 7800 GTX at

(--) NVIDIA(0): PCI:1:0:0:

(--) NVIDIA(0): LPL (DFP-0)

(--) NVIDIA(0): Dell 3007WFP (DFP-1)

(--) NVIDIA(0): LPL (DFP-0): 310 MHz maximum pixel clock

(--) NVIDIA(0): LPL (DFP-0): Internal Dual Link LVDS

(--) NVIDIA(0): Dell 3007WFP (DFP-1): 310 MHz maximum pixel clock

(--) NVIDIA(0): Dell 3007WFP (DFP-1): Internal Dual Link TMDS

(II) NVIDIA(0): Assigned Display Devices: DFP-0, DFP-1

linux nvidia-settnigs utility shows:

http://www.houkouonchi.net/3007wfp/nvidia-settings2.png

however in the BIOS/boot loader/boot cd's, anything other than linux/windows where I can force 1280x800 output, I get lines:

http://www.houkouonchi.net/3007wfp/IM006414.JPG

Doesnt this suck? I am stuck at resolution like this:

http://www.houkouonchi.net/3007wfp/IM006424.JPG

When the whole reason I upgraded to this monitor was for resolution, I upgraded from running 2560x1920 on a 22 inch CRT to this, this sure sucks, I talked to a dell manager and wrote up a big thing about the issues and why its not the LCD, or specific to my laptop which he said he could forward to an engineer, we shall see, it might be a crippled bios like I know some 7800 XFX cards were.

The graphics adapter in your portable does not have a dual-link output. Your windows screenshot correctly indicates the maximum supported resolution of the monitor obtained from the monitor EDID, not the maximum resolution that your graphics adapter supports. Your linux screenshot also displays info from the monitor EDID indicating that it has a dual-link dvi connection, not that your video card does.

[houkouonchi]

The graphics adapter in your portable does not have a dual-link output. Your windows screenshot correctly indicates the maximum supported resolution of the monitor obtained from the monitor EDID, not the maximum resolution that your graphics adapter supports. Your linux screenshot also displays info from the monitor EDID indicating that it has a dual-link dvi connection, not that your video card does.

Actually you were wrong, it was either a hardware or video bios issue, not sure right now, you can tell from this screenshot:

On a single link system it would list the maximum resolution as 1280x800 not 2560x1600, also that linux log, when it says internal dual link TMDS, that has nothing to do with the monitor or EDID at all, that is what is detectin the vid card has, I even get that when I have it hooked up to my 50 inch DLP which is totally single link, and on a single link comp it would say a single TMDS and only 165 MHz not 310MHz limit. Anyway Dell was no help and I ended up getting a new laptop out of the whole ordeal, a M1710, and it doesnt support the native resolution either, but atleast it detects as single link now, like it should, so atleast now I am not limited to only windows, and only 2 driver versions that work, other drivers all try to scale at the 2560x1600 because it detects the monitor can do it. I game on my laptop but every couple days I hook the 3007WFP back up to my desktop because I get really tired of the 1280x800 resolution, my dad will be getting an M90 soon and I wonder if that will run it or not.

Long story short, I kind of got screwed because from the log files, which is all I could go by except actually hooking up the laptop to the display, showed I had dual link. also the screen wouldnt even work in the bios on my old laptop (XPS gen 2). I posted a bunch on the nvidia forum here:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=67791

but nothing really got resolved.

[Groffy77]

Dude, don't bump a thread this old.

I wouldn't bring up things like "You were wrong" after how long the topic has been inactive and everything has been settled. You don't want to start something.

:)