Apple Boot Camp

[ludeboy12]

wow....this is just the most amazing news

when the new intel g5 counterparts come out if this works and allows me to dual boot osx and vista each off their own 500gb HDs then i'll definitly be upgrading.

i wont be trading in my powerbook to be able to do this but if all works out i'll def swap out my desktop. damn i cant wait now.

[xxdesmus]

http://www.kaintek.com/?p=5

I can't believe how fast Windows is on my MacBook Pro, everything starts instantly.

i am going to go and experiment with vista...i will report what i find out.

[Rudy]

when im done backing up my stuff im going to experiment with this :D

[hotdog666al]

Dude.

I am _SO_ Jealous of you guys. I want a macbook pro :(

[thecableguy]

...this is not making me want to switch over to Mac, try harder Apple. ;)

[Cole]

I think that's a real possibility. But the developers who develop for Mac OS X aren't going to abandon the platform anytime soon. There are way too many people who use it, and who aren't willing to shell out the $300 required to buy a Windows XP CD (assuming they don't already have one).

It would definitely be a shame to see this happen, considering how amazing Mac OS X is. I think it will continue to live on for many years to come. Then again, Dvorak does have a pretty good track record thus far...

Yeah,

I'm sort of fearful that this might lead to OSX dying. The reason I would really buy a mac in the first place would be to run OSX, not XP :x .

[NoneAvail]

Sent :D

I added one of Quake 4 too.

alright here is Farcry video on the Imac Farcry video link

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Quake 4 link

[xxdesmus]

Vista is installin...

More pics and info to come

[timmmay]

The only thing I'm worried about is what will developers do. They spend money on supporting both camps, and now both are available on one machine. Could some just give Apple the big FU and say well u can use windows so use it now that they are on the same machine. Could this move actually hurt OS X?

I keep thinking that the people buying a Mac and those that are going to switch as a result of this will be doing so so they can use OS X yet still be able to use windows for those pesky little apps. But then couldn't developers say, well we will be one of those pesky apps so use windows. It could be a domino effect that could really hurt OS X. What are your guys thoughts?

I had a think about this and I feel OSX isn't going to suffer, if at all, that much. Personally I wouldn't go out and buy a Mac just so I can run windows on it. I will be buying a Mac so I can run OSX, just now I have the bonus of dual booting XP when I need it.

[MonkeyClaw Veteran]

Yeah,

I'm sort of fearful that this might lead to OSX dying. The reason I would really buy a mac in the first place would be to run OSX, not XP :x .

Ok, well I have rethought this whole situation and as it stands now, I think this is only a good move on Apple's part. I am using the OS/2 fiasco as an example.

I was thinking the same thing. But the difference is, like some have mentioned, you still have to shell out a bit for a copy of Windows. Also, OS/2 supported the Dos platform. The company supported the platform meaning that if something went wrong, they would fix it and its okay. That also meant they supported apps for it.

Heres where the difference is. Apple right now, isn't supporting Windows. It isn't supporting Windows Apps. It is simply streamlining the ability to install another OS on their hardware. Thats it. That means, ok you can use foreign software on our hardware, we will make it easy too, but we will not offer any type of support for doing so. User beware.

Since that is the case, developers can't just say oh well, no need to port apps because one it will drive up the cost of the software for users, and two, if something goes wrong, the user isn't supported by the company that made the computer. Thats a huge deal if you think about it. Basically what this is doing is making it so that people that have two machines, one with windows, and one with OS X can make it into just one box. But in terms of support issues, development issues, etc, its the same as having two separate machines.

Also, the majority of people that will do this, will in the end, ditch windows because they will be people switching that are nervous. That means more and more people will move to OS X as their primary OS. So lets say that MS Office goes to being windows only. Ok, well those people that have switched to OS X and ditched Windows, only using it as a stepping stone, will find an OS X alternative, therefore supporting that developer instead of MS (using office as the example still, first plausible app that came to mind, nothing more). Chances are, most developers will want to stay competitive with others and this is another reason why they will want to stay dual platform.

The key is how Apple goes from here, will they continue to not support Windows and windows apps, and leave boot camp the way it is or instead in Leopard produce a Redbox type idea (that was a NextStep dealie) and have built in emulation in OS X. Thats when things could get to being like OS/2 but as of now, this move is harmless, and I think Apple will be smart enough to handle the situation in a wise way.

So it depends on how Apple goes from here, but if they use their heads, things will only get better. I think as of now, this will mean a larger OS X user base which means developers will want to make more and more apps for OS X since Apple is still not supporting non Apple apps running in windows though its on their hardware.

[xxdesmus]

Vista is a no go. It starts to install, gets to the first reboot and then errors out with:

Boot loader is not correctly installed...

\Windows\System32\winload.exe

Status: 0xc0000225

Grr...maybe in the next beta of Boot Camp

[myNando]

Vista is a no go. It starts to install, gets to the first reboot and then errors out with:

Boot loader is not correctly installed...

\Windows\System32\winload.exe

Status: 0xc0000225

Grr...maybe in the next beta of Boot Camp

Very informative. Thanks! Yeah, hopefully in the next beta...or in Leopard.

Imagine that, OSX, XP, Vista, etc.

[xxdesmus]

ok, stupid question...where the hell is the option key on a non-mac keyboard? ...i thought it was Alt right? ...cause that's not workin, at all.

[update] Ok, problem solved...apparently it wasn't detecting my USB keyboard plugged in through my KVM early enough. I plugged it directly into the mini and I got the menu selection fine.

Sucks about Vista, but oh well for now.

Edited April 6, 2006 by xxdesmus

[.Dan]

Hello so i instaled Boot Camp and now in my Mac OS X desktop i have 2 drives..?? WTF!!! how to make the Windows one not to be shown???

Thanks

[KeR]

Well I was feeling dirty with XP on my Mac so I uninstalled it...:) maybe I'll re-install once I have a need for it.

[MonkeyClaw Veteran]

Hahaha, I guess we PPC users are the only pure Mac people, lol (j/k)

[MulletRobZ]

F***! Doesn't Apple realize that they just kicked themselves in the balls with this approach? Now, Microsoft's able to seize the complete OS market, which I totally disapprove, given the fact that Mac OS X 10.4 is superior to anything Vista can come up with! Now the only way Apple's Mac OS is going to live is that they allow Mac OS to be installed on non-Apple machines!

Just somebody remind me to give Steve Jobs hell on this one!

[Rudy]

F***! Doesn't Apple realize that they just kicked themselves in the balls with this approach? Now, Microsoft's able to seize the complete OS market, which I totally disapprove, given the fact that Mac OS X 10.4 is superior to anything Vista can come up with! Now the only way Apple's Mac OS is going to live is that they allow Mac OS to be installed on non-Apple machines!

Just somebody remind me to give Steve Jobs hell on this one!

you have to remember lots of stuff doesnt run on OSX, i have to use windows to flash my gba cart and umd stuff

[JK1150]

F***! Doesn't Apple realize that they just kicked themselves in the balls with this approach? Now, Microsoft's able to seize the complete OS market, which I totally disapprove, given the fact that Mac OS X 10.4 is superior to anything Vista can come up with! Now the only way Apple's Mac OS is going to live is that they allow Mac OS to be installed on non-Apple machines!

Just somebody remind me to give Steve Jobs hell on this one!

Let's see, the ramblings of a fanboy, or a huge profit increase... which does Apple care about more... hmm....

[.Kompressor]

Finally Mac users can enjoy the Windows experience in its entirety:

http://www.eng.bu.edu/~anc/macosx_bluescreen/blue2.jpg

Owned indeed! ROFL! Mac users who plan to boot windows...get used to see-ing this windows random gift from Bill and his team.

LMAO. :wacko:

[MonkeyClaw Veteran]

F***! Doesn't Apple realize that they just kicked themselves in the balls with this approach? Now, Microsoft's able to seize the complete OS market, which I totally disapprove, given the fact that Mac OS X 10.4 is superior to anything Vista can come up with! Now the only way Apple's Mac OS is going to live is that they allow Mac OS to be installed on non-Apple machines!

Just somebody remind me to give Steve Jobs hell on this one!

Not really, what they did was very smart, it is an easier way to do something that was already possible and legal. Windows and its apps are still not supported by Apple and you have to remember, the people buying Macs are going to buy a Mac because they want the OS, not so that they can run windows on them. This is just a way for people that have to deal with both OSes to have a cheaper and easier way to have the best of both worlds as well as a way to get more people to switch over. It really is a terrific idea providing that Apple continues to not support the Windows platform as well as any of its apps. If they started providing support for that, then trouble would begin.

[Alladaskill17]

Thanks to kiall for hosting :) (Y)

http://www.neo-ware.com/neowin/

Thanks, and wow.

/me wants benchmarks :whistle:

Posted on pages past.

[morebaker]

Did anybody notice what it did to the price of Apple stock on the market today? :)

[Alladaskill17]

3D Mark 06 Benchmarks

-MacBook Pro Core Duo 2Ghz Score 1518

-Athlon XP 2800+ Radeon X800 Pro Score 1558

-Athlon XP 3500+ GeForce 7800GT Score 3334

Theres the benchmarks i was talkn about.

[Vice]

Did anybody notice what it did to the price of Apple stock on the market today? :)

Climbed all day. :cool: