pipdo Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 1) Glass is spotty in terms of how it applies to certain windows making the UI seem uneven. Firefox, for example, doesn't get glass on the toolbar or wherever MSIE7 gets it. The result is a confusing experience where it's like playing a claw game with a blindfold. 3) The breadcrumb trail in Explorer windows is uninspired and is more like a giant "back" list than anything else. You know I don't care to see what the trail is to a folder in Program Files. I want to know its actual path. Navigating in that nightmare is painful. I don't like it and I hope that Microsoft improves on it... quickly. As far as the address bar and stuff in glass, that is because that IE7+ takes advantage of an API that lets them do that. In a future version, Firefox could have that too - it's not something that Aero does automatically. It's up to mozilla to implement it. You can read about it here, it seems pretty simple actually. For the breadcrumb bars, I believe that you can turn that off, but I was just glancing at the folder options (I think that's where it was) and may have read it wrong. Nevertheless, I'm sure you know, but you can just click in the white space of the bar to see the full path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordkanin Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 i am not sure what ya mean by they dont have the transpararnceys in the start menu but for me they do in 5456 The search box is solid black behind it, and the top corners aren't right. Move something that isn't white behind it, and you'll see that there is white making the rounded corners actual corners....But as I said, it's no big deal, and apparently already fixed in the next build. 3) The breadcrumb trail in Explorer windows is uninspired and is more like a giant "back" list than anything else. You know I don't care to see what the trail is to a folder in Program Files. I want to know its actual path. Navigating in that nightmare is painful. I don't like it and I hope that Microsoft improves on it... quickly. Single clicking in the bar reveals the actual path. But I like the breadcrumb navigation. Instead of having to click the up button 2 or 3 times, I can click the little arrow next to a folder, and actually go into it's subfolder, accomplishing something that would have taken 5 clicks in 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool_chris_1990 Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 I think the glass still needs a bit of work. but other then that it looks prety darn good. the ones that bitch about the new Aero UI must not have a system that can run aero. ;) Could be true in SOME cases. but some may just hate it, even if they do have a system that can run it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoidxe Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 I can run it, and I think its neat for the most part, but its going to get old really quick anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stunna Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 I think the new UI is amazing The new GUI is hardware accelerated, why do people think its the Aero GUi that is slowing down vista? I heard once you let the harddrive index all your files vista is about the same speed as XP is this true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordkanin Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 I think the new UI is amazing The new GUI is hardware accelerated, why do people think its the Aero GUi that is slowing down vista? I heard once you let the harddrive index all your files vista is about the same speed as XP is this true? Because dwm.exe is a little bit of a memory hog. You don't notice it with copious amounts of RAM though...and fortunetly, It's cheap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ew2x4 Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 you do realize Aero glass and subsystem it runs on is very complexed . so it has taken alot of work to just come up with this You don't understand what I'm saying. I could care less how complicated it is. Another word for complex is bloated. It doesn't mean it's a good thing. Anyways, the physical design of it is awful. It slows productivity, and this is something that should have been taken into consideration when they were working so hard on the "complexity" of Aero. Transparancies are over used. You can't tell which window is on top. Etc. Etc. Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolution Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 You don't understand what I'm saying. I could care less how complicated it is. Another word for complex is bloated. It doesn't mean it's a good thing. Anyways, the physical design of it is awful. It slows productivity, and this is something that should have been taken into consideration when they were working so hard on the "complexity" of Aero. Transparancies are over used. You can't tell which window is on top. Etc. Etc. Etc. Then just stick with Aero Express, it's Aero without Glass :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I8PP Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Then just stick with Aero Express, it's Aero without Glass :/ 'Aero Express' hasn't been seen in the past few builds, if ever. Just Aero and Aero Basic, which is that craptastic grey horror-show. Of course you can manually turn off transparency in Personalization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texdragon Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 I think by some far chance that i was going to buy vista, this would be the reason, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool_chris_1990 Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 I agree this does get old real fast. i wish vista included the XP Royale theme. Now that is a great theme, a bit of MCE 2005 thrown in, but hey at least it will be have some XP UI in there for those who want to upgrade to vista, but dont like the new Aero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleSpellbinder Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Wonder when Window Blinds will be Vista Compatible? :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1369 Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 I think Glass and the overall UI has improved since Beta 1 - but the "Scrap Metal" still looks like crap. I don't have the right video card, so I can't test Glass for myself. Bleh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool_chris_1990 Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Wonder when Window Blinds will be Vista Compatible? :whistle: idk, but one thing is for sure, most will be useing it a lot. like they are with XP. I can not stand luna. looks like frisher price. the XP Royale 2005 looks even better then that and that was basied off of luna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stunna Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Because dwm.exe is a little bit of a memory hog. You don't notice it with copious amounts of RAM though...and fortunetly, It's cheap... oh ok This is part of everything running in the user mode I wonder if it would be faster running in the kernel mode(i know it makes a system less secure and less stable) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M118LR Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 OK people there are 4 UIs Classic, Basic, Standard, and Glass. All of the other names like Metal or Scrap Metal or Express or whatever have been dropped and are no longer used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AltecXP Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 I prefer "basic" its XP like yet not, and you dont have a performance hit. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Symons Veteran Posted July 7, 2006 Veteran Share Posted July 7, 2006 I find it just fine and dandy (It looks fantastic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech_Dude_5000 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 (edited) I think the glass still needs a bit of work. but other then that it looks prety darn good.Could be true in SOME cases. but some may just hate it, even if they do have a system that can run it. how the hell would u know. you dont know everyone....... god newbies Edited July 7, 2006 by Tech_Dude_5000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool_chris_1990 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 how the hell would u know. you dont know everyone....... god newbies wohh man, i was just stating my opinion. no need to get all upset over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfWar Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 (edited) Mine runs Aero perfectly smooth and I absolutely hate it with or without the glass. It's a waste of system resources and to have a "Mac" look to it. I don't think you or anyone else who uses the excuse that Glass is a "system resource hog" fully understands what is happening under the hood. GPUs were introduced back in 1999, and the whole point to a GPU was to off-load instructions from the CPU so that games could essentially run faster / process more data; however, Vista will be Microsoft's first OS to accelerate the GUI using DirectX 9 / 10 which essentially means it will take full advantage of the GPU in your system. In other words, you aren't going to waste system memory or CPU cycles to render your desktop... instead, it will be done by the GPU using VRAM... Yes, Glass does add some overhead, but not nearly as much as you think. If you see a major performance difference, you probably don't have a fast enough video card, but I guess you would rather spend money on a video card that hardly gets used... :no: Edited July 7, 2006 by HeartsOfWar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1369 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 OK people there are 4 UIs Classic, Basic, Standard, and Glass. All of the other names like Metal or Scrap Metal or Express or whatever have been dropped and are no longer used. What is Standard? Are you talking about the 2000/Me look? If so, that's almost the same as Classic, so why include it as a seperate UI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strekship Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Standared is Glass without transparency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool_chris_1990 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Windows Aero: Windows vista theme Windows basic: no glass, the theme that needs work on windows Standard: Windows 2000 look and fell windows Clasic: Windows 98 look and fell I dont know why they still have a Windows 98 skin in here. i know they have it in XP. but did they even have it in 2000/ME? if not why the hell did they add it back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illicit Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 I love the new GUI, But I think it still needs lots of polishing, I'm sure MS will sort it out by the time of release. I am with you on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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