Mac OS X 'Leopard'-related Discussion

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i just updated to 10.5.1... is it just me or has the animation performance on Expos?/Spaces been MUCH improved on GMA950 MacBooks?:|| everything feels so smooth now. no bugs so far with the .1 update:DD

Blaine: yes the iCal icon is updated on logon, i think. if you leave it overnight it won't get updated, it seems:||

Spaces F8 is SO much faster now on my Macbook.

a-HA! they disabled V-Sync when animating Spaces:|| that's why it's so fast now if you press F8 repeatedly you can see tearing on the sides of the Spaces :\

aw well. at least Expos? still seems to have V-Sync. I used to love OS X cause everything was V-Synced... seems no mor:p:p

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i just updated to 10.5.1... is it just me or has the animation performance on Expos?/Spaces been MUCH improved on GMA950 MacBooks?:|| everything feels so smooth now. no bugs so far with the .1 update:DD

Blaine: yes the iCal icon is updated on logon, i think. if you leave it overnight it won't get updated, it seems:||

Yes every thing is as smooth as tiger now. I think maybe 10.5.1 had updated graphics drivers for the GMA950?

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the lack of VSync is driving me mad :(

i always loved OS X cause EVERYTHING had VSync on it. now Spaces doesn't... and it shows. it feels rough. And it's immune to Quartz Debug settings! this sucks...

Expos? still has VSync on. and quick-switching Spaces also does. only the bird's eye view doesn't

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I'm guessing QuickLook isn't supposed to look like this :p

Also corrupted a Finder window when i used it looking for a file using Spotlight (Which I've fallen in love with again, much better than Tiger's implementation)

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Now this I love, I'm assuming it's just treating it like any other web page (so using WebKit to show it), it's a shame it doesn't generate preview icons for it though)

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What do you mean?

exactly what i said :p when the Spaces bird's-eye view animates its in/out transitions, the redrawing of the screen is not synchronized with the monitor redraw, hence it shows a weird tearing appearance on the edges of the desktops. it's not a glitch per se. it's just... ugly because the entire OS X UI is VSynched. this isn't. it's not a pleasing sight.

this happens on my GMA950 MacBook. didn't happen before. it's a new thing on the 10.5.1 update. i wonder if this is a "cut corners" action to make Spaces animate faster (because it was visibly slow on 10.5).

edit.: i've uploaded a pic that shows the "tearing". notice on the bottom right corner of the leftmost space.

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I find most UI animations have slowed right down on my Mac Mini (also running a GMA950) under Leopard. Doesn't help that the poor old thing is having to drive a 1600x1200 display I suppose but Tiger did manage to run all the animations (dock, etc) perfectly fluidly... Leopard can't :(

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exactly what i said :p when the Spaces bird's-eye view animates its in/out transitions, the redrawing of the screen is not synchronized with the monitor redraw, hence it shows a weird tearing appearance on the edges of the desktops. it's not a glitch per se. it's just... ugly because the entire OS X UI is VSynched. this isn't. it's not a pleasing sight.

this happens on my GMA950 MacBook. didn't happen before. it's a new thing on the 10.5.1 update. i wonder if this is a "cut corners" action to make Spaces animate faster (because it was visibly slow on 10.5).

I think I see what you mean now.

I find most UI animations have slowed right down on my Mac Mini (also running a GMA950) under Leopard. Doesn't help that the poor old thing is having to drive a 1600x1200 display I suppose but Tiger did manage to run all the animations (dock, etc) perfectly fluidly... Leopard can't :(

I get the same thing on my new iMac, so I doubt your Mac mini is to blame. The Genie minimization effect really is about everything but smooth on it. Especially with Safari and the Finder. :/

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.Neo

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Menge: Whoa, I don't get anything as dramatic as that when bringing up Spaces. :| When looking really closely you can see the sides are a slightly jaggy for a split second, more or less like what you see when minimizing a window using Genie. I thought you meant that.

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Menge: Whoa, I don't get anything as dramatic as that when bringing up Spaces. :| When looking really closely you can see the sides are a slightly jaggy for a split second, more or less like what you see when minimizing a window using Genie. I thought you meant that.

nope. minimizing windows doesn't get VSync issues with me... it's just poor framerate. but the spaces thing is occurring on my friend's MacBook, too (both fresh installs; different models; same GMA950) the frame rate is good, but the tearing occurs. your iMac might not have this cause on your video card, you can do it with VSync on, so Apple enabled it? i don't know... i'm trying to find out what this is

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Any ideas why I can't access any new shared folders in Windows from my MacBook? (Leopard 10.5.1). But I still can connect to other shared folders, before installing Leopard. I just get "Connecting..." message and then throws me back to folders list.

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nope. minimizing windows doesn't get VSync issues with me... it's just poor framerate. but the spaces thing is occurring on my friend's MacBook, too (both fresh installs; different models; same GMA950) the frame rate is good, but the tearing occurs. your iMac might not have this cause on your video card, you can do it with VSync on, so Apple enabled it? i don't know... i'm trying to find out what this is

No what I meant was, because Genie morphs the window the edges become a bit pixelated during the animation. Spaces has this as well slightly on my Mac. Apparently it has nothing to do with VSync I guess, but I thought you were talking about that earlier (before you posted that photo).

Yeah who knows Apple might have disabled VSync on slower GPU cards.

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Any ideas why I can't access any new shared folders in Windows from my MacBook? (Leopard 10.5.1). But I still can connect to other shared folders, before installing Leopard. I just get "Connecting..." message and then throws me back to folders list.

new shared Windows folders work for me on my MacBook. the computers still show on the finder sidebar and when i connect it shows the new share.

No what I meant was, because Genie morphs the window the edges become a bit pixelated during the animation. Spaces has this as well slightly on my Mac.

Yeah who knows Apple might have disabled VSync on slower GPU cards.

yeh the pixelated happens here, too. happened in Tiger, too :p i noticed also that they increased the polygon count on the Genie effect :p it's "rounder" than in Tiger :)

but yeh... i think Apple might've disabled VSync on lower-end video cards, just like they disabled transparency on certain older computers.

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Man, i thought Spaces would be like a nice form of virtual desktops, it just seems like a way to segregate apps (unless i can find some easy way to drag windows between desktops)

drag a window to the edge of the screen that borders the space you want the window in. wait half a second.

OR

open spaces (F8) and drag the window you want to the space you want ;)

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Man, i thought Spaces would be like a nice form of virtual desktops, it just seems like a way to segregate apps (unless i can find some easy way to drag windows between desktops)

Do what Menge says or hold the window and just ctrl+1 (etc) to whatever space you want.

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I wish you could ctrl+shift+arrow to move a window, though, I'm almost always sing my keyboard instead of my mouse, and the whole clicking on window and then moving spaces is an awkward hand movement on my macbook pro.

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Download Themepark > Locate and open Extras.rsrc and Extras2.rsrc > Do a search for all the scroll bar resources > replace them with the new scroll bar images. You'll probably have to modify them in Photoshop or whatever editing application.

Good Luck! :p

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