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:laugh: and very very true at the same time. These people seem to believe so strongly in what they have released that they are blinded by glaring issues and complaints - instead of taking these complaints and working hard to fix the damn issues this Microsoft guy just goes out to prove that customers are wrong. Insane.
Brandon Live is a pretty reasonable person (even though he and I fundamentally disagree on many items). And it seems awfully silly to either, a) disallow Microsoft employees from becoming a Neowin.net member and posting on here as a "normal person" or to b) force disclaimers on every post a Microsoft employee makes. Perhaps get the US DoJ involved in this, too? :no:

When he posts and either makes an incorrect assumption or an error (we have all made mistakes from time to time), I feel free to discuss this with him and point out what problems in his arguments that I see. It doesn't matter if he is an employee of Microsoft or not. In fact, the insight into Microsoft as an employee sees things is interesting to read at times.

So, please, discuss points, facts and issues. Not people.

P.S. Staff members, looking at the first post, I really think that this is more of a "soapbox" thing where the O.P. is venting and airing complaints, not asking for assistance or such as should be in the support forums.

Thanks, Mark :)

Just to be clear: I was a Neowin member for years before I came to work at MS... so it's not like I joined the forum to sing its praises or anything like that. I've always enjoyed most of the discussions that happen on these forums and while I may have a somewhat different perspective now I don't think it's made my contributions any less reasonable. I don't hide the fact that I work at Microsoft (on Windows no less), but I'm not going to go around shouting about it. I post here on my own time and absolutely nothing I say represents Microsoft's views, policies, opinions, or anything else. At the same time, I find that staying in touch with users (especially the power users / enthusiasts) is extremely important and helps me personally stay grounded.

Do you honestly think Microsoft cares about any of its users? How about this. Windows should earn its reputation as the leader in software by the quality of products it produces. Thats what google did and they crushed yahoo.

Every single person on my team cares about our users. It might surprise you, but we really don't sit around dreaming up ways to screw people, take away your freedoms, and undermine competitors through nefarious means. We are users in the end just like you are. Do you really think we're going to try and build something that we ourselves wouldn't want to use? In fact most of us are so passionate about making the best, coolest product that even when we go out for beer and wings or have a team poker night some of us will inevitably be talking about cool ideas we have for new features or projects. That's one of the things I love most about my job - how focused we are on building cool experiences, and how it doesn't stop when you leave the office.

"Ext3": default filesystem for the most common linux distributions nowadays (specially after the Reiser murder case). not lame, but very versatile and which performs well, hence the reason it's the default operating system.

"ReiserFS": definetly not a clone of NTFS given the fact that this FS has metadata and block journaling built in, not to mention the fact that it has features built in to avoid fragmentation.

From what I remember, Ext2 works largely the same as FAT. Ext3 bolts on a couple features like a journal, but it's still a very dated architecture. From what I remember you can't even defragment Ext3 drives without converting them to Ext2.

NTFS and Reiser are far more modern filesystems. Reiser follows the basic model of NTFS, for example by using a B+ tree for directory strucuture, ACLs for security, and uses many of the same methods of reducing fragmentation. Thus why I tend to classify it as an "NTFS clone" though it's missing many other NTFS features.

You're either using really crappy software, an old beta, not trying out 'compatibility' mode, or aren't very good with computers.

Though I've only needed compatibility mode on one piece of software, and only in RC1 and below...Solidworks 2006 wouldn't run without being run in Windows 2000 mode for some reason. Since RC2 it's just worked fine without compatibility mode, though.

Seriously. I haven't had a notable compatibility or stability problem with Vista RTM other than Nero and divx fighting each other to the death (Since then been resolved.)

Stop defending it!! It's true.. I install a bit older game to play, i start it, and it gives me "not-responding" before even getting in the game.. then it closes.. woohoo? Vista has been a long way of timewaste, i'd rather have SP3 for XP by now...

Stop defending it!! It's true.. I install a bit older game to play, i start it, and it gives me "not-responding" before even getting in the game.. then it closes.. woohoo? Vista has been a long way of timewaste, i'd rather have SP3 for XP by now...

I'm sorry. I just really haven't had any issues. What "older game"? It's quite possible that it's just your graphics drivers, which do suck at the moment.

Nope it's just that you're not able to reproduce any problem. Go start installing something and at the same import cookie to your internet explorer no.gif

You're going to wait good couple of minutes...IE will be pretty dead (not responding)

How do you import cookies? (I don't use IE, so I'm not that familiar with it.)

It might be a good OS but i untill theres some proper drivers out, vista is in league with windows me. Its not just missing/half assed drivers but the fact that most companies cant be bothered to make drivers for it unless it the flag ship latest piece of junk there trying to sell. To use vista you have to lose functionallity of hardware and from the users point of view you only gain a new GUI which is pretty boring now. it just isnt worth the hassle (yet)

Its not just missing/half assed drivers but the fact that most companies cant be bothered to make drivers for ii

that's gotta be one of the most foolish statements made yet.

Who else are companies hustling for to get drivers out the door? Mac's? Linux?

When over 90% of the population uses a certain OS then I doubt companies are saying that they can't be bothered producing drivers for their products that are focused on that particular OS.

Just like Apple locking their OS to their hardware. If you don't like it, don't buy it! Isn't capitalism wonderful?

That argument doesn't hold any weight. Apple makes BOTH the software and the hardware on which it runs. Microsoft doesn't make the hardware on which their OS runs. Just because a user used DR-DOS back in the day (a better product too) and couldn't use Windows because of it was bullsh*t. During the law suit at the time internal Microsoft memos were submitted into evidence that basically said to not allow Windows to run on anything but MS-DOS. Not that it couldn't but because it would hurt their dominance. Also with the law suit over artificially tying IE to the OS.

Microsoft tries to show the world that they've changed. All they've done is covered themselves better than they used to and show the public what they want them to see. You or anyone else can't make me believe that any company that was as ruthless as Microsoft was about crushing the competition just all of a sudden magically changed their ways.

Since the early days of Microsoft the "Embrace, Extend and Extinguish" philosophy has been there. I've seen it happen from the late 70s up until present day. There isn't any company that gets to #1 position by playing nice and they don't keep that position by doing so either.

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-Applications generally don't run as quick as Windows XP.

I find the opposite... most run faster thanks to better RAM management.

-File copying from DVD drive to Hard Disk is speed retarded.

Hmmm... haven't noticed (or cared).

-Lots of my games don't work or work at what seems is 30% slower than under Windows XP.

Really? Tried downloading drivers? Did you realise all NVIDIA/ATI drivers are beta still?

Either way, my games run faster (ATI, latest *beta* drivers).

-My wife goes to www.tvpolonia.com and Internet Explorer dies - repeatedly.

Tried it, spent fifteen minutes on it. NO CRASHES!

I'm not even touching Windows Vista until after SP1 is released.

Good. You obviously don't know how to use a computer very well and should stay safe by sticking with what you know.

Microsoft tries to show the world that they've changed. All they've done is covered themselves better than they used to and show the public what they want them to see.

So they've become Apple? And I am serious.

You or anyone else can't make me believe that any company that was as ruthless as Microsoft was about crushing the competition just all of a sudden magically changed their ways.

I do. They have been stomped on by many authorities, the press hates them and all the public sees are these negatives about Microsoft. They need to change to survive, and they know it. It's just taking time - as you'd expect it to. Rome wasn't created in a day (Don't make a comment about Rome's fall please! That's just a saying!).

Heya,

I tried Vista and submited more than 1 bug. I submited every bug and crash I had with my hardware, drivers, etc..

but still, then again, it's still slow as hell, has a few "explorer" delays and lag. specially copying files.

some actions lag more than usual.

I'll go back to it again, soon as SP1 comes out.

Just like Windows XP.

Its not a bad SO, but needs fixing.

and no, it's no my "weird" hardware.

i have had no issues with vista and as for performance it is far better then XP on this same dang machine so i dont see how any of you who cliam to have so many issues have issues, i think you peaple use it for maby 3 to 6 min or so and then make up the rest of your story. i would like you to come to my house with that system and show me the issues you are haveing show me in pearson cause unless you can show us physicle proof of your bad issues and crappy time with vista i will not take your word for it nore beleave you in any witch way. i run a 1.8ghz AMD XP chip witha FX 5600 oh and 1.5gb of ram and my performance is atleast 3x faster or better , now sure in older betas ther was some iffy moments on performance but that is now all gone as it is damn fast.

Games run fine in vista for me and i have no issues now while yes i am ona crappy graphics card it still is a improvment for gaming for me cause evan games that default in Dx9 mode run around 7FPs faster LOL but at anyrate games are faster.

Drivers you do know that windows vista comes compiled or what have you with 17,000 or more drivers on the DVD and that on launch they plan to have 20,000+ drivers on windows update so i would say Drivers should be a no issue.

Interface so those of you who look at the Interface and go oh is that all...... MMM No that is not all cause if you are thinking from pictures and or a small 5 min stent on vista that all that is new is the new interface then your mistaken ... If i wanted just the nice new interface and didnt care about how it was renderd or if it was exactly the same and all i wanted was just that i would run windows XP with windows blinds 5 and run a simuler interface but since i want more then just that and everything else vista has to offer then i w am using and plan on using vista from here on out.

Brandon Live. you are prolly the most exsperianced vista user in here and your opions should be agreed with all the time as you work for microsoft now and you know more about vista then 98% of us.

I do. They have been stomped on by many authorities, the press hates them and all the public sees are these negatives about Microsoft. They need to change to survive, and they know it. It's just taking time - as you'd expect it to. Rome wasn't created in a day (Don't make a comment about Rome's fall please! That's just a saying!).

They've become IBM. IBM were also in the process of chainging their corporate ways before they fell to pieces. Look at what IBM used to be and what they are now. Microsoft is on that same path. It's just a matter of when and how hard they fall.

They've become IBM. IBM were also in the process of chainging their corporate ways before they fell to pieces. Look at what IBM used to be and what they are now. Microsoft is on that same path. It's just a matter of when and how hard they fall.

I'm sorry, but comparing IBM to Microsoft is complete bogus. There not similar at all.

That argument doesn't hold any weight. Apple makes BOTH the software and the hardware on which it runs. Microsoft doesn't make the hardware on which their OS runs. Just because a user used DR-DOS back in the day (a better product too) and couldn't use Windows because of it was bullsh*t. During the law suit at the time internal Microsoft memos were submitted into evidence that basically said to not allow Windows to run on anything but MS-DOS. Not that it couldn't but because it would hurt their dominance. Also with the law suit over artificially tying IE to the OS.

Microsoft tries to show the world that they've changed. All they've done is covered themselves better than they used to and show the public what they want them to see. You or anyone else can't make me believe that any company that was as ruthless as Microsoft was about crushing the competition just all of a sudden magically changed their ways.

Since the early days of Microsoft the "Embrace, Extend and Extinguish" philosophy has been there. I've seen it happen from the late 70s up until present day. There isn't any company that gets to #1 position by playing nice and they don't keep that position by doing so either.

Apple doesn't make any hardware...that's bull****. They use PC components, put it together into box with apple sticker on it.

Apple just like Microsoft makes some hardware parts...nothing major...iPod, keyboard, mouse, Zune

They've become IBM. IBM were also in the process of chainging their corporate ways before they fell to pieces. Look at what IBM used to be and what they are now. Microsoft is on that same path. It's just a matter of when and how hard they fall.

I agree...IBM is the biggest bull**** on the market now....and pretty much any software which is coming from IBM sucks...

Apple doesn't make any hardware...that's bull****. They use PC components, put it together into box with apple sticker on it.

Apple just like Microsoft makes some hardware parts...nothing major...iPod, keyboard, mouse, Zune

I agree...IBM is the biggest bull**** on the market now....and pretty much any software which is coming from IBM sucks...

Yes but apple knows the exact hardware that they are putting in their machines and can taylor the operating system to it. Microsoft does not make the computers that they are sold on.

That argument doesn't hold any weight. Apple makes BOTH the software and the hardware on which it runs. Microsoft doesn't make the hardware on which their OS runs. Just because a user used DR-DOS back in the day (a better product too) and couldn't use Windows because of it was bullsh*t. During the law suit at the time internal Microsoft memos were submitted into evidence that basically said to not allow Windows to run on anything but MS-DOS. Not that it couldn't but because it would hurt their dominance. Also with the law suit over artificially tying IE to the OS.

You seem to have confused the analogy. Microsoft made BOTH Windows and the DOS platform on which it ran. How is that in any conceivable way different from Apple locking their OS to their hardware? It is not. There is nothing technical preventing Mac OS X from running on a Dell or Lenovo PC. However it benefits Apple to keep it that way, so they implement measures in the OS to make sure it is only running on Apple hardware. Just like very old versions of Windows apparently checked to see if they were running on MS-DOS. Nothing nefarious about that. If another company wanted to compete they should have built their own DOS and their own GUI for it - or approached Microsoft about a possible agreement that could be mutually beneficial. Remember, at the time this happened - Microsoft was far from a monopoly. So don't say they were "abusing monopoly powers" or whatever. It was and still is a stupid thing to whine about.

Microsoft tries to show the world that they've changed. All they've done is covered themselves better than they used to and show the public what they want them to see. You or anyone else can't make me believe that any company that was as ruthless as Microsoft was about crushing the competition just all of a sudden magically changed their ways.

Everyone at Microsoft wants to win. Is that a bad thing? Fierce competitiveness is part of our culture, and a big reason for Microsoft's success. Again - do you think that's a bad thing? Microsoft goes to extremes to ensure that everything the company does is compliant with the law and various rulings/settlements. Does that mean we should stop trying to build new features? Does that mean we should roll over and let other companies tear us apart?

I don't think so. We want to win. And we want to do it by having the best quality, features, and seamless experience.

Since the early days of Microsoft the "Embrace, Extend and Extinguish" philosophy has been there. I've seen it happen from the late 70s up until present day. There isn't any company that gets to #1 position by playing nice and they don't keep that position by doing so either.

I still don't know where the "Extinguish" thing comes from - got any examples? And you're right that companies aren't supposed to "play nice" - I don't think Apple is playing nice with their ads making fun of Windows PCs. Or that they are playing nice to companies like Dell by locking their OS to their hardware - but letting you run Windows on it.

In my opinion, Anti-Trust laws exist to prevent the creation of trusts. But that's never what Microsoft was. Microsoft has always had competitors - they've just never been very good competitors.

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i think bottomline, you need a real modern pc to run vista without so many problems, especially those related to its speed. I know i dont care what os im running, as long as its fast. ... which is why i made my own. j/k.

That is exactly what I believed. I blamed my "old" PC - and AMD X2 system built on nForce4 for the different problems I was seeing. So I broke the bank. I went out and bought an Intel Core 2 Duo processor, 4GB of RAM, Serial ATAII Hard Discs and more. At the end of it all I found that Vista did run most of my hardware out of the box but drivers showed instabilities, Vista seemed to run programes mostly OK but games are slower, memory usage is bordering on the ridiculous - even on a 4GB system and the operating system itself feels flimsy and not as solid or stable as Windows XP.

On top of that the coolness of the transparencies wore off very quickly, the darkness of the Aero theme (Why is the taskbar always black, no matter how I customize my Aero colors?) became too much and I happily reinstalled Windows XP with em3's themes and was happy to see Windows the way I want it.

I used to believe that SP1 would fix much of what I don't like in Vista. I don't think this is going to happen now. There are just too many things in Vista that I simply don't like, don't want or don't need.

I am happy to see that Microsoft is gathering feedback for the next version of Windows before they have decided on how its going to be. I hope this is a "new" Microsoft I'm seeing because to me Windows Vista is not the best Windows yet although I had high hopes it would be.

IE 7 is crap. i keep having to uninstall it from peoples computers.

IE7 is much better than what we had before, IE6. But theirs is bugs with it, some site I visit just don't work well, I have to switch to Firefox 2 to see them correctly. Mostly site with video....

And much of the problems people have with Vista right now are all mostly related to drivers problem. I'm still waiting on HP (printer), Cannon (scanner) and Creative (X-Fi) to have good stable drivers for my hardware. The current Creative *beta* driver are the worst sh*t i've never seen. Lucky they expire january 8.....

But with Aero Glass, even with a nice 7900GT, some things (GUI) do feel slugish/slow. And copying files do seem slower with Vista, from whatever to whatever (hd2hd, cd2hd, net2hd, ....). I suppose this will change with new/faster hardware MADE for Vista.

Complaining about Vista at this point is retarded. Does anyone remember how bad Windows XP or Windows 2000 were when they were first released? Post bug reports and press your hardware manufacturers for new drivers. Don't post about them on message boards hoping MS will see the bugs. All this does is get a bunch of other people to pick up sticks and torches and stampeed Microsoft's gates.

That is exactly what I believed. I blamed my "old" PC - and AMD X2 system built on nForce4 for the different problems I was seeing. So I broke the bank. I went out and bought an Intel Core 2 Duo processor, 4GB of RAM, Serial ATAII Hard Discs and more. At the end of it all I found that Vista did run most of my hardware out of the box but drivers showed instabilities, Vista seemed to run programes mostly OK but games are slower, memory usage is bordering on the ridiculous - even on a 4GB system and the operating system itself feels flimsy and not as solid or stable as Windows XP.

On top of that the coolness of the transparencies wore off very quickly, the darkness of the Aero theme (Why is the taskbar always black, no matter how I customize my Aero colors?) became too much and I happily reinstalled Windows XP with em3's themes and was happy to see Windows the way I want it.

I used to believe that SP1 would fix much of what I don't like in Vista. I don't think this is going to happen now. There are just too many things in Vista that I simply don't like, don't want or don't need.

I am happy to see that Microsoft is gathering feedback for the next version of Windows before they have decided on how its going to be. I hope this is a "new" Microsoft I'm seeing because to me Windows Vista is not the best Windows yet although I had high hopes it would be.

well i see none of the slowness you see and i am on a 1.8ghz XP chip AMd system with 1.5gb ram and FX 5600, remeber dude that drivers are not yet RTM drivers so dont blame microsoft for incapable hardware and driver instabilty, microsoft only gives the developers the meens to make the drivers but doesant give them the know how it is up to the driver manufactures to make the driver work not Microsoft, so you blaming Vista for your problems is not wize as it isant Vista but Non finale drivers.

i would sudjest when vista is realsed you get vista agian ultimate edition or what ever version you want and try it agian, as for the Aero interface it has yet to ware off on me as i have been using it for a year and i love it matter of fact vista uses less procceser cycles and less ram using the nice glass aero interface as it is renderd by the Directx 9 3d portion of the graphics pipeline.

By the Way nice system you built man, but i do hope you go vista tho and try it agian specialy for them nice Directx 10 games that will be out well if you have the hardware to push them

IE 7 is crap. i keep having to uninstall it from peoples computers.

yeaaa.. it isnt even compatible with Acid2. Thats pretty sad seeing as how most browsers do. Whenever I make a web site, I have to run internet explorer to see if itll look right on most peoples computers (even if it looks fine in firefox)

Please excuse my english but i am french so i will have typos and i am sorry again.

For one Microsoft did not make DOS they improved it but not make it. (just for clarification).

Second an o/s that is not out on the market can and will have bugs in it, but also lacks of good decent drivers.

People started using it at early stage of developement and where crying all around the net stating it was not good but that the interface was awsome etc.etc.etc.

Well it is not just the Graphics that comes into play. Specially here, security is one issue (top one by the way)

Secondly how can comeone blame Microsoft for not having decent drivers when they dont make the third party apps or hardware that will be used by the o/s and also if you had took the time to read in the last few years you would have seen an article stating microsoft will not let third party apps go on sale with a microsoft approved logo without proper coding behind the driver itself, so that is one reason why it is taking more time from compagnies such as Nvidia and others to get one out , as per this time microsoft told them to make it right the first time, and if you would have looked at since when they are trying to make one you would have notice it is doing over a year that nvidia and others are trying to make one that fits and works correctly.

Wait till the o/s is out and also give it time it is the same thing that happend with windows XP a few years back when it first came out, not lot of people was in love with it also but approx 6 months or so after it was one of the best as per the same people, Why? because drivers where out!!!!!

I dont like Microsoft more then another but they do make it good in the long run, also Linux and Mac's are very good not better or worst, just different , one is free the other two you need to pay a big price for them but the worst for the price even if the top of the line in graphics is The one from apple as per it can not run other then on there machine's. eg : you are bound to buy things expensive for it to run as per only a few makes the hardware.

So microsoft is not that bad!!!!

yeaaa.. it isnt even compatible with Acid2. Thats pretty sad seeing as how most browsers do. Whenever I make a web site, I have to run internet explorer to see if itll look right on most peoples computers (even if it looks fine in firefox)

Nobody gives a flying **** about Acid2. Sorry, you lose.

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The steps to get to the board are as follows: Remove the four smaller Torx screws on the bottom of the ZimaBoard 2; Remove the four larger Torx screws on the sides of the device; Carefully unstick the CMOS battery from the PCB; Remove two Phillips screws on the PCB; Lift out the PCB. Yes, as you can tell from the instructions, you need three different tools to remove Torx and Phillips screws (10 in total), and unhelpfully, one of the screws is located under the CMOS battery, which is stuck onto the PCB. Building Now comes the fun part. Because the ZimaSpace website does not provide any guidance on how to put the Starter Kit together. They only have guidance for connecting the CPU fan. However, they did upload a video to their YouTube channel that shows the entire process. To install the fan, first remove the four screws on the bottom of the ZimaBoard 2, then on the inside, there is a CPU FAN connector where you can attach the fan, reattach the ZimaBoard 2 frame, and feed the fan cable through the provided slit. Then remove the nearest screw on the side and attach the fan frame to the side of the device using the same screw. ZimaBard 2 screws Aligning the screws Bottom view Remember those four screws we removed to access the CPU FAN? Longer screws are provided in the box with the HDD Expansion Bracket, which is what you will now need to attach the ZimaBoard 2 to it. Helpfully, the orientation on how to attach it is made obvious when the frame can only be screwed on at the same overall length as the ZimaBoard 2. If you do it the wrong way around (which is what I did initially) one side hangs off the frame, and it becomes difficult to attach the PCIe Adapter Card cable. PCIe card frame Other side PCIe slot connector Next, it's time to attach the PCIe card frame, which is fastened with the help of 3.5-inch SATA HDD (3 screws). These are toolless screws that you can just use your fingers to fasten them with. Then it is time to connect the provided PCIe cable with the slot connector on one side of the ZimaBoard 2, feed it through the bottom of the HDD frame, and fasten it with two standoffs. Both bracket options 2280 standoffs with 2x 4TB MP44Q The PCIe 3.0 X4 card comes with a short bracket option, handy if you decide to place it inside a different NAS or rack server, but here we need the long bracket. Oddly enough, the M.2 standoffs were preinstalled into the 22110 position, but extra standoffs are included in the box, which I installed at the 2280 position for our use. I added a couple of MP44Q M.2 PCIe 4.0 SSDs (2 x 4TB) that can be availed on Amazon for $478.99 (the lowest price for 3 months) that TEAMGROUP supplied us with Then we have the almost completed build, you just need to push the card into the PCIe slot. Unfortunately, IceWhale Technologies did not provide a screw for the PCIe card frame (this is also apparent in their own video). Here it is at several different angles, with the last pic showing the SATA Y-Cable connected to the two WD Red Plus 4TB drives. Setup and Usage Next, you connect your cables to the I/O, and the ZimaBoard 2 powers on automatically, as there is no power button on the device. Power is controlled through the Settings in ZimaOS. BIOS The ZimaBoard 2 includes an Aptio BIOS from American Megatrends [1, 2, 3], and you can setup pretty much everything here including the boot order, which is locked to the UEFI OS, however above that choice you can enable or disable booting to a SATA/USB bootloader so this would still allow you to switch to an alternative bootloader and boot from it, or disable it to instead always start from the first disk with an OS installed on it. Initial Setup Upon connecting to the LAN and booting up, the ZimaBoard 2 can be reached by navigating to the IP address (shown if you have a monitor connected), or you can find it using the ZIMA Client desktop application, which is essentially a Zima device finder. Initializing the ZimaBoard 2 The ZimaOS setup process is pretty straightforward, through a wizard, and in full above, it basically consists of setting up an account and some handy tips, and that's that! Post Setup (ZimaOS update) Upon first boot, you are alerted that there is a ZimaOS update from 1.5.0 to 1.6.1, which I applied; the full process is shown above with the changelog. ZimaBoard 2 Storage Setup Next, it is time to set up the storage. ZimaOS actually throws everything onto the eMMC flash drive; it is also the default location of AppData, which is definitely something to be wary about, as the 45GB available storage could fill up quickly. HDDs I first attempted to create a Storage Pool using the two 4TB WD Red Plus NAS drives, and got an error message: After several attempts and then looking online, I discovered it was a bug with ZimaOS where the fix was simply to reboot ZimaOS and then try again, this time I was able to create a RAID mirror using the two drives. SSDs I did the same for the SSDs, as you will see in the above gallery, when I created the second Storage Pool, it only allowed me to select available drives. ZimaBoard 2 AppData ZimaOS comes with an App Store that includes a repository of almost 400 apps, so you will be able to find most of what you'll need for a NAS (although after a quick search, I wasn't able to find a Surveillance Manager), and now comes the important part: moving the default AppData location off the 45GB eMMC and onto a larger volume: Open Settings Then Apps Then, in the Select a new location field, click on the new Storage volume you want to move it to (in my case, the Apps Storage Pool), which is the SSD RAID mirror. Confirm the Migration warning Be praised! You can also do this for Docker (which by default installs onto the 45GB eMMC flash drive) and the User database. Plex Setup Next, I tested the configuration by installing the Plex Server app from the App Store. The library folders must already exist (which I placed into the Storage Pool). Plex Server setup is straightforward and requires very little configuration. In my case, all I had to do was add the media path I just created, which you can also browse to using the folder icon in the path field. In addition, you can now map the new Media library in Windows Explorer using the Zima Client. Oddly enough, it is not possible to access the ZimaBoard 2 over the Network Neighborhood; you must map drives using the client, which is shown in the last image in the above gallery. I watched one of my Blu-Ray rips, which is Dolby Vision with Dolby Atmos, and the content played fine with no stuttering or buffering, which is what anyone needs in this scenario. ZimaBoard 2 Zima Client mobile app There's also a client for mobile. It is pretty barebones, as shown in the above gallery, for example, the Apps screen launches the WebUI for that app, and the Backup must be done manually. On opening Backup, you can select internal storage folders on your phone to backup to the ZimaBoard 2's storage, and although this is constantly scanned, the backup action itself must be manually triggered. There is an option to allow foreground backup (last image in the above gallery), but this basically means the queued backup gets triggered when you manually open the app. Benchmarking SATA PCIe 3.0 X4 A CrystalDiskMark test on a mapped network drive from within a Windows 11 25H2 PC (image above) connected over a 2.5 GbE was well within acceptable ranges. Writes were generally better on the SSD RAID mirror. SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 I also ran the NAS Performance tester, which tests the link speed performance. As you can see, it pretty much maxes out the 2.5GbE connection. Of course, you can also opt to bond the two 2.5 GbE connections for a bit more umph, but I didn't do that. Thermals Top PCIe card SATA HDDs Next, I measured some hotspots while playing content on Plex. It's fair to say this will perform better than a NAS that is enclosed in a metal or plastic case, as almost everything storage-wise is exposed! Anyway, the ZimaBoard 2 did not break a sweat with Plex streaming or disk benchmarks. ZimaOS Factory Reset ZimaOS does not include a factory reset option. Instead, you have to download the ZimaOS image and flash it to the eMMC manually. The flashing process is shown in the above gallery. The steps to do so are listed below: Download the ZimaOS image here; Open BalenaEtcher (Run as Administrator) and select the image; Select your inserted USB drive (min 8 GB) Flash to it; Connect your USB drive, monitor, keyboard, USB hub (optional), mouse (optional), and network cable (recommended) to the ZimaBoard 2; Connect power and press F11 continuously; Select your USB drive starting with UEFI in the boot device menu; Press Enter on the Install ZimaOS option; Select /dev/mmcblk0 (MMC) flash drive as target; Confirm with (three times) to wipe the target disk; Wait a couple of minutes while ZimaOS installs; Remove the USB drive and confirm with a reboot; Your ZimaBoard 2 has been factory reset. However, you don't have to stick with ZimaOS, in fact the company also offers official CasaOS images, that are based on Debian; or as they say themselves, put anything you want on this "hackable single board server" it's up to you. Conclusion I had a lot of fun putting this together. I've custom-built all my own PCs and servers since the 90s, and this is the first time I have had to put a NAS together. Even if the actual base ZimaBoard 2 was already a completed build, it still feels pretty custom. I just wish that IceWhale Technology included a getting-started guide in the box for the Start Kit, which would have really completed this kit. Instead, I had to search for the official video on the YouTube channel to make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong. So who is this for? Definitely the hobbyist who is comfortable building their own PC and servers. It also has a much smaller footprint than its nearest equivalent (in terms of specs), like the Beelink Me Pro, which is another NAS I will be testing soon. Although the Beelink does not come with the PCIe 3.0 X4 expansion, the ZimaBoard 2 Starter Kit suddenly looks to be a great bargain, even if it only offers the two 3.5-inch bays over the four in the other example. It makes a lot of sense to use Intel's N150 chip inside a NAS; it is more than capable of doing what the ZimaBoard 2 is intended for, media streaming and backup. It also looks like the IceWhale Technology staff are quite active in the official forums helping people with issues they come across with ZimaOS and the devices, peer support seems to be good as well, I was quickly able to find why I was not able to create a new Storage Pool in ZimaOS v1.6.1 even though that is quite a serious bug, hopefully it will be fixed in the next update. If you are comfortable with the command line and Docker, you'll be fine. You can do great things with this hardware. This was my first time with ZimaOS. It seems a bit barebones in comparison to the likes of Synology DSM, TOS, and UGOS, but it has a ton of apps to get you started with your home or small business NAS. Where to buy As of publishing, IceWhale Technology is running a discount of up to 5% for the Starter Kit. If you opt to get just the ZimaBoard 2 itself, it does come with a SATA Y-Cable, so you will be able to connect up to two 3.5-inch HDDs to it. ZimaBoard 2 1668 Starter Kit for $534.50 on Amazon US (was $548.60) ZimaBoard 2 832 Starter Kit for $372.88 on Amazon US (was $390.60) Zimaboard 2 1668 (16GB+64GB) for $419.90 on Amazon US Zimaboard 2 832 (8GB+32GB) for $359.90 on Amazon Disclosure: IceWhale Technology provided a free sample without any editorial input or review pre-approval. Good to know The Amazon link is U.S. specific, and not available in other regions unless specified. We only use first-party seller links (at the time of article publishing); ensure that you purchase from a first-party seller link only. Check out Today's Deals on Amazon | or our recent tech deals. 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    • It's in the Insider's group so yes it's technically beta, though these days it's hard to see much of a difference unless you opt for the most extreme beta builds, which I don't. When I moved here from the Release Preview channel I did so primarily because I wanted to see how well the restored taskbar functionality (restored from Win10, and earlier) is working and whether it was time to finally abandon SAB--and it is--working fine, so far. Not as polished as SAB, but it'll do for me.
    • I've been using MWB Premium for a number of years so that along with Windows updates and updated browser should be fine. Thanks for that.
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