F1 World Championship 2007 Thread

[what]

Not likely.

Nice (Y) That Spaniard needs to get his act together.

[Rappy Veteran]

I saw this on the news...he deserves to lose his pole!!!

[kyro]

I almost lost interest watching F1 now, and might only watch if i had nothing to do, so i missed yesterday's action... grr.. my bad timing, i think lots happaned.. going to catch all today on raceday review :).

well i obviously knew alonso was going to do things like this, the way he rammed massa in previous race (on near wet track) and could not answer him after race just made it clear... more so , when there were no actions taken (are spanish ppl known to be arrogant like this? i donno) , someone rammed ralf schumaker too , i think even he was not penalised (i may be wrong. i am not following things closely.).

seeing , mclaren wont get constructors championship, i now wish, if there is god, it will be ferrari 1-2. if not , i will be atheist :p.

anyway. lets see.

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BUDAPEST, Aug 5: Lewis Hamilton will replace Fernando Alonso on pole position for Sunday's Hungarian Grand Prix after a stewards' investigation into a qualifying incident between the McLaren teammates.

McLaren have also been pre-emptively stripped of any constructors championship points they might earn from the race.

FIA officials were moved to investigate the chain of events which saw Alonso claim pole position after waiting in front of Hamilton in the pits for 30 seconds ahead of the pair's final qualifying runs.

"The actions of the team in the final minutes of qualifying are deemed prejudicial to the interests of the competition and to the interests of motor sport generally," said the stewards in a statement addressed to McLaren boss Ron Dennis.

(OMFG such a surprise, you didn't see this when they were stealing designs from ferrari?-kyro)

Also swept aside was Alonso's feeble excuse that he waited in front of Hamilton for a further ten seconds because he was checking whether the correct tyres had been fitted to his car.

German Nico Rosberg will now be fourth on the grid for Williams with Ralf Schumacher of Toyota fifth ahead of Alonso.

Earlier on Saturday, Dennis had blamed Hamilton for the controversy and claimed the Briton defied team orders.

Dennis had said that Alonso was held back by team engineers because of Hamilton upsetting a pre-arranged strategy. ( are there two teams now within mclaren ( and the third team working shadily with f1-engineers?) , this is all ****ed up.)- kyro

"It's extremely difficult to deal with two such competitive drivers," said Dennis.

On Saturday, it had been agreed that Alonso would make the final pit stop before Hamilton, but the 22-year-old championship leader disobeyed team orders by not letting the Spaniard pass him.

[irratioпalgээk]

Very pleased for Lewis Hamilton. He is unbelievable, amazingly talented. Hope he keeps going like he is. A real star. G

Very glad to see Alonso put back in his place!

[.kvn]

First post in this topic but I just can't help myself.

Alonso and Hamilton trying to out perform each other is thankfully making F1 a better spectator sport. Their in team rivalry may not be what Ron wants but it's certainly what the public needs. Hamilton is an amazing driver but is up against the best in the world in Alonso. Alonso is prepared to do whatever it takes to win and whether this isn't regarded as fair play then so be it. Hamilton will not win if he continues playing the nice guy. He's got to have more tenacity and grit and go for it. Just don't let Ferrari come through and pinch it.

[kyro]

i am going to be in IRC soon at neowin...:D

[Martyn]

Getting stripped of pole position is a bit unfair on Alonso's part...especially when it was Hamilton's original ###### up that started it all off.

[kyro]

^ Exactly, both of them should had been kept last on grid.

[.mcman]

Hungary GP Race Results

[Nicholas-c Veteran]

that was fast .mcman

pretty standard race tho

[.mcman]

^ Thanks :D

yea, boring race...

[Fourjays Veteran]

Getting stripped of pole position is a bit unfair on Alonso's part...especially when it was Hamilton's original ###### up that started it all off.

The excuse about Hamilton ignoring orders to let Alonso past seems nothing more than an excuse for something else that went on later in the session. The strategists can switch the strategies of these cars in an instant to try and leap-frog people in the race, so why couldn't they just re-order the strategy accordingly in qualy?

It doesn't take a genious to figure out that pitting Lewis a lap early and Alonso on the planned lap would switch em round or at least give Alonso the planned strategy at the expense of Lewis doing his runs on an extra lap of fuel (but still getting the laps in). So basically someone within the team purposely screwed up the strategies without need, and this is why the stewards have punished McLaren.

Alonso's excuse for waiting 10 seconds was pathetic (asking if he had the right tyres on) - they can see what tyres go on, what with the white stripe and all. He may have very genuinely asked over the radio, but it is still unneeded.

Hamilton drove another good race and Raikkonen also did a good job. So little between them the entire race. Great to see Nick on the podium too. Dull race though. Hungary is one race I wouldn't mind losing from the calendar.

[sundayx Veteran]

Lewis!

[bayrider]

What a boring race, especially after the exciting one we saw last week. Oh, and Alonso should have started last, just like Schumacher did in Monaco last year for the same stunt. Wasn't Alonso the first to jump on Schumacher's back for pulling similar stunts? 5 spots down? That's hardly a penalty if you can get a quick jump off the start.

[kyro]

^bayrider,

I am not seeing any penalties for anything actually in this years F1, its like Octagon on wheels. nothing for alonso and nothing for mclaren and nothing for any other driver ramming into cars.

its kinda getting lame, just when i thought i might start getting interested after loss of Schumaker....

another sport for me to just let go from following.

[Fourjays Veteran]

5 spots was an odd penalty I must say. They usually drop them to the back, or delete the time in the session they reached (which would have put Alonso 10th).

@ Kyro - McLaren haven't been punished for the possession of Ferraris documents because of the rule it comes under. It's a very generalised rule it is under, so the FIA decided to find McLaren guilty of possessing the documents but not punish them as they didn't use them (or more precisely that there isn't any proof that they have). The FIA would have caused far less problems if they split the "charge" in two - one for possession and one for usage.

The documents are as good as useless anyway. They are for the Ferrari from the Australian GP (one that used features since clarified as illegal) and at the absolute best the McLaren could only be as fast as the Australian Ferrari - if it was a direct copy.

Another issue is that if the FIA were to ban McLaren (or give some other draconian penalty) for possession, all Ferrari (or any other team) would need to do when things get tough is to secretly mail some documents to the team making it tough, notify the FIA and have them banned.

I don't think McLaren should be penalised on the very basis Ferrari use to argue that they should be. "McLaren are a team and are responsible for their employees" - then surely Ferrari are responsible for their employees too and thus sent McLaren the documents themselves?

[kyro]

then surely Ferrari are responsible for their employees too ?

They fired that guy didn't they? (altought i wish he was first anally raped).

[Fourjays Veteran]

They fired that guy didn't they? (altought i wish he was first anally raped).

And McLaren fired Coughlan too.

[kyro]

And McLaren fired Coughlan too.

oh..ya...sorry. i forgot that. =)

[ahmz]

[.mcman]

thanks Ahmz055! I was busy today...

Ferrari looks pretty strong in Turkey... :unsure:

Edited August 25, 2007 by .mcman

[Fourjays Veteran]

Should be a good race. The top 4 look pretty much equal and Turkey has plenty of overtaking oppurtunities.

[.kvn]

Finally something happens in this the most boring race of the season - Hamilton blows a tyre!

[digitalsoft]

Sooooo annoyed about hamilton's tyre... so wish it was alonso instead.. :'(

[Fourjays Veteran]

Sooooo annoyed about hamilton's tyre... so wish it was alonso instead.. :'(

Same. :(

Both times Hamilton has been off the podium, have been down to that right front wheel...

Good job by Massa. Drove a solid race. :)