Microsoft Starts Banning 360s on LIVE - MS Confirms

[beekay_]

If you didn't mod your console and got banned, couldn't you just send it in to prove to them it's legit? Would probably even get some free stuff out of the deal for the false accusation. At least I know I would sure as hell demand free stuff.

I'm actually quite willing to do that if it isn't resolved in the next few days. I bought my 360 about 4-5 months ago, brand new. It has never been tampered with.

[markwolfe Veteran]

Won't everyone who has put in the effort to mod a console just buy a new console at Wal-Mart and return the old one?

Quite possible. And this will screw over the next person who gets the box and wonders about the error codes. They might think it is their network connection for a while. Then they will have to convince Microsoft to un-do the ban on the box.

Interesting complications.

[Pc_Madness]

Are you banning for things like fan mods, case mods and cooling mods as well? If so, I don't think that's fair at all. Poeple put a lot of work into those, and they shouldn't be banned for just making thier console look better and run better. What is "tampered" in your eyes?

No, it relates to people altering the firmware on the DVD drives I think. It allows discs without copy protection to be run.

[Omegatron]

May I introduce you guys to the Banhammer?

LOL saved here for Neogaf :laugh:

[Sheppard]

well... all I can say is that not even one of the casualties on this war is "innocent" every one and single console that got banned was tampered in some way or another and we already know of a lot of people trying to revert the process... and you know what? you can take us to court whenever you want, we will probe you're lying and we will counter any of those lawsuits and will laugh our asses as hard as we can when you get jail time for all the stupid things you did... go ahead, make my day!

thanks god the system works, somehow but it still works!

note: comment was not refering to any particular member... :shiftyninja:

Just like the Windows Genuine Advantage false positives eh.....

[Meshuggah]

LOL saved here for Neogaf :laugh:

So you CAN reply to me, Applefanboy, just not when I directly call you that name, or you will feel the wrath of your new signature.

LOLOLLMAOROFL :laugh:

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

overrules the law

Again people here pretending to know the law. The Microsoft ToS/EULA does not overde th law. There is no law stating that you have access to Live!

[mad_onion]

Just like the Windows Genuine Advantage false positives eh.....

no....

[addc182]

think about it

if you've downloaded 6 games then you've saved enough to buy a core and get back on to live ;)

[MGS4-SS]

One thing that has me wondering is:

Does Microsoft really think that Live is that important to some people that the threat of getting banned from it will make people go back?

Sooner or later, like with the Xbox, some application like XboxConnect will come out, and getting banned from Live will mean squat.

[planetik]

There's already a better application than XBC. X-Link Kai is starting up strongly.

I don't think there's any justification for the people saying that they are innocent. If there REALLY is a discrepancy, why don't they send back their xbox to MS to check it over, instead of complaining to everyone? To be honest, I don't think MS hardly wins when they ban people. Modders can still play their "back-ups" (:laugh:), have a RENEWED spirit to hack the Xbox FURTHER, and lose a very small portion of the Xbox Gold membership. That really doesn't help the money lost from "back-uped games".

Oh, and I think it's kind of funny how MS only bans the console itself, so that they can still say they have a huge XBL membership. :p

[Guest]

There's already a better application than XBC. X-Link Kai is starting up strongly.

I don't think there's any justification for the people saying that they are innocent. If there REALLY is a discrepancy, why don't they send back their xbox to MS to check it over, instead of complaining to everyone? To be honest, I don't think MS hardly wins when they ban people. Modders can still play their "back-ups" (:laugh:), have a RENEWED spirit to hack the Xbox FURTHER, and lose a very small portion of the Xbox Gold membership. That really doesn't help the money lost from "back-uped games".

Oh, and I think it's kind of funny how MS only bans the console itself, so that they can still say they have a huge XBL membership. :p

They are not trying to get back money from backed up games... They are trying to stop modders from messing up online games for the rest of us.

Take Halo 2 for example - That was fun till all the modders dominated every match.

This is good news, I dont know why anyone would think otherwise... Unless you pirate of course.

[LiGhTfast]

They are not trying to get back money from backed up games... They are trying to stop modders from messing up online games for the rest of us.

Take Halo 2 for example - That was fun till all the modders dominated every match.

This is good news, I dont know why anyone would think otherwise... Unless you pirate of course.

See thats what MS wants you to believe. A dvd firmware hacked 360 cant cheat anymore than you console can.

Anyway i shall be back on halo3 soon :)

[Julius Caro]

agreed

No there not, if you were pirating games, MS makes $7 on every game sold for $60...thats there licensing fee, so for every game that you played and did not buy, they lost $7

Then dont buy their product, i really find it hard to belive that people playing backups are not pirating and people playing backups/modding are causing MS money to protect those legitamit users...Everyone who buys a 360 and plans to play it on live ( this is the key here as you can still use your 360) knows that modded consoles or disks is against the EULA, stop trying to get things for free that caused other people to work hard to create

They "didn't earn" those 7 bucks doesn't mean that they lost em. Perhaps the person wasn't going to buy certain games in the first place.

[addc182]

See thats what MS wants you to believe. A dvd firmware hacked 360 cant cheat anymore than you console can.

Anyway i shall be back on halo3 soon :)

thats completely true

when someone finally gets homebrew working on a 360

thats the day i give up Live!

[planetik]

They are not trying to get back money from backed up games... They are trying to stop modders from messing up online games for the rest of us.

Take Halo 2 for example - That was fun till all the modders dominated every match.

This is good news, I dont know why anyone would think otherwise... Unless you pirate of course.

To be completely honest, modding a DVD drive is extremely different from hacking/decompiling/messing around with the contents of the game itself. Regarding to the Halo 2 example, that's more of MS' fault for not being able to detect it. Also, it's not that hard to get rid of people who mod the game itself with the 360, since there's a handy "Report" button.

[Jeremy1]

A dvd firmware hacked 360 cant cheat anymore than you console can.

For now. Who knows what could have been developed in the future? I'm not saying that cheating was the only reason to stop it, or even that it was the primary factor, but Microsoft had to put a stop to it.

They "didn't earn" those 7 bucks doesn't mean that they lost em. Perhaps the person wasn't going to buy certain games in the first place.

Perhaps the person shouldn't have been able to play the games at all then.

[addc182]

To be completely honest, modding a DVD drive is extremely different from hacking/decompiling/messing around with the contents of the game itself. Regarding to the Halo 2 example, that's more of MS' fault for not being able to detect it. Also, it's not that hard to get rid of people who mod the game itself with the 360, since there's a handy "Report" button.

no the mistake made with halo 2 was mainly the fact bungie released the new maps and the update, that didnt get checked for alterations

which was saved onto the HDD in the xbox so it could be altered much easier, that is why you would see so little modding on old maps.

it was still there but you would have to fork out quite a lot for the hard modding of your box whereas you could soft-mod your xbox and run altered maps and games for almost nothing

[zerolimit]

My friend has not been ban yet i played halo 3 with him yesterday and he has his 360 modded. Well anyways I think all the people saying good ritens are dumb! You act like they are cheating or doing bad for you guys. They payed for Xbox Live just like you guys right? They didn't pay for the game but they did pay for the service that you payed for aswell. I think they shouldn't ban people. It is going to be less people to play wit just remember that guys!

[I am Reid]

One thing that has me wondering is:

Does Microsoft really think that Live is that important to some people that the threat of getting banned from it will make people go back?

Sooner or later, like with the Xbox, some application like XboxConnect will come out, and getting banned from Live will mean squat.

So are you say that a system that has maybe 1,000 users on at a time can compete with one that has millions?

[G_0]

See thats what MS wants you to believe. A dvd firmware hacked 360 cant cheat anymore than you console can.

Anyway i shall be back on halo3 soon :)

A lot of people don't realize that you CAN hack a 360 game, and this is probably why they brought out the ban stick.

Incase you don't know GoW was hacked. You can edit the config file from the game iso and reburn with your own settings.

[Pilsbury]

My friend has not been ban yet i played halo 3 with him yesterday and he has his 360 modded. Well anyways I think all the people saying good ritens are dumb! You act like they are cheating or doing bad for you guys. They payed for Xbox Live just like you guys right? They didn't pay for the game but they did pay for the service that you payed for aswell. I think they shouldn't ban people. It is going to be less people to play wit just remember that guys!

They are doing the people who buy games legally harm - by pirating them, they push up the price of a game to the end user.

Just remember that!

[gigapixels Veteran]

My friend has not been ban yet i played halo 3 with him yesterday and he has his 360 modded. Well anyways I think all the people saying good ritens are dumb! You act like they are cheating or doing bad for you guys. They payed for Xbox Live just like you guys right? They didn't pay for the game but they did pay for the service that you payed for aswell. I think they shouldn't ban people. It is going to be less people to play wit just remember that guys!

Frankly I don't want to play against somebody who hasn't paid for the game I have.

Oh, and by the way, it's "good riddance." :whistle:

[Guest]

To be completely honest, modding a DVD drive is extremely different from hacking/decompiling/messing around with the contents of the game itself. Regarding to the Halo 2 example, that's more of MS' fault for not being able to detect it. Also, it's not that hard to get rid of people who mod the game itself with the 360, since there's a handy "Report" button.

Actually i would rather avoid hackers completely than have a bad online experience then go to the effort of actually reporting him.

[virtualmadden]

Even before they started banning people I don't think I've seen anybody cheat. In fact, I don't really run into modders anymore in Halo 2. Even though, the less people out there who download their games and cheat the better. For the rest of those that don't cheat and so on, but have a modded console...it's to bad Microsoft can't help somehow.