Apple Safari to be released for the Windows Platform!

[gigapixels Veteran]

iTunes and Quicktime on Windows aren't even quality products yet....

I disagree. iTunes works wonders for me, and I've never found any other media player that works quite as well. I honestly have no problem with Quicktime and I wonder why people complain about it. I'd much rather use something like GOM Player, but Quicktime works well when I happen to use it.

I still stand by the fact that it doesn't deserve to be called the world's best browser until it proves itself on the Windows platform. Something with this many problems should be in limited release or atleast publizied much less. The first AIM 6.0 beta's for example, were hidden back in the corners of the AIM website because it was not nearly ready for a large release. This Safari beta has been slapped on the Apple homepage and in the downloads section, and it is being treated as much more finished than it really is.

Yes, it says "Safari 3 Public Beta" on the page, but they're treating it as finished :rolleyes:

[someguy03]

I disagree. iTunes works wonders for me, and I've never found any other media player that works quite as well. I honestly have no problem with Quicktime and I wonder why people complain about it. I'd much rather use something like GOM Player, but Quicktime works well when I happen to use it.

Yes, it says "Safari 3 Public Beta" on the page, but they're treating it as finished :rolleyes:

As I said (and you completely ignored), they shouldn't be making it this public on their website when it has this many problems.

[Veedems Veteran]

Yes, it says "Safari 3 Public Beta" on the page, but they're treating it as finished :rolleyes:

His point is that they are pushing to get a ton of people downloading it when it's obviously not ready. His comparison to how AOL handled the AIM 6.0 client is very accurate. They put it out there, but did so quietly. They knew that no beta is going to be too amazing and to sour a large unitiated audience before a final release would be extremely detrimental to the success of said product. Unfortunately, I'm not sure Apple could have such a quiet, low key beta, but they could have tried a little better.

[hopp58902 Member]

I use Firefox on a Mac ONLY because I love the RSS feeds to be in a nice drop-down menu in my toolbar...if this can be done in Safari, someone please tell me!

[gigapixels Veteran]

As I said (and you completely ignored), they shouldn't be making it this public on their website when it has this many problems.

His point is that they are pushing to get a ton of people downloading it when it's obviously not ready. His comparison to how AOL handled the AIM 6.0 client is very accurate. They put it out there, but did so quietly. They knew that no beta is going to be too amazing and to sour a large unitiated audience before a final release would be extremely detrimental to the success of said product. Unfortunately, I'm not sure Apple could have such a quiet, low key beta, but they could have tried a little better.

They're not pushing anybody to download anything. It was a quick little thing during the keynote saying that they have a beta up and we could try it if we wanted. Just because it's not hidden away doesn't mean that it's being pushed to anybody like more than a beta. It's being advertised as what it is.

[factoid]

Well I uninstalled and reinstalled it, and I gotta say that suddenly it all makes sense now.

This must be another innovation from Apple - non-text browsing! Who needs text when you can have, uhh, err, nothing? It is the definition of minimalism! w00t!

(this POS really doesnt deserve to be on the apple front page, let alone anywhere on its website).

[Chris Allen Veteran]

Back with Firefox, certain pages weren't loading and it was worse than FFX on RAM.

I think the next time I will be using Safari will be when I purchase a mac.

[_I am Reptar]

I'm loving it, very nice browser :D

Only thing is the RAM usage...ahhhh but it's beta.

[revvo]

As I said (and you completely ignored), they shouldn't be making it this public on their website when it has this many problems.

Why not? Firefox is public and has had a memory leaking issue for decades? There's lots of **** out there that isn't suppose to be made public. Do I really have to remind you of Windows M.E.?

Who's telling you to download it? It's freeware, not MustHaveWare "OMFG I MUST GET IT OR SOMEONE WILL SHOOT ME!"

Well I uninstalled and reinstalled it, and I gotta say that suddenly it all makes sense now.

This must be another innovation from Apple - non-text browsing! Who needs text when you can have, uhh, err, nothing? It is the definition of minimalism! w00t!

(this POS really doesnt deserve to be on the apple front page, let alone anywhere on its website).

And should your PC be allowed on the internet? You can't even reinstall an app :rolleyes: Although I notice little differences on Neowin's layout, theres nothing even similar to what you're getting.

[morgs]

Yes, it is a beta, but being advertised right now on the front page of apple.com as "The Worlds Best Browser" is a pretty tall stretch of the imagination.

I have had it open for about 7 minutes, with three tabs (this page, apple.com homepage and google.com) and its using a whopping 180mb of memory.

Wa wa wa, yes people, I know it is a beta, but for the worlds best browser... it sure is ****

[bdsams Veteran]

i enjoy the speed of the browsing and the quicklink bookmarks....but why dont my forward and back buttons work on my mouse!?

[someguy03]

Why not? Firefox is public and has had a memory leaking issue for decades? There's lots of **** out there that isn't suppose to be made public. Do I really have to remind you of Windows M.E.?

Who's telling you to download it? It's freeware, not MustHaveWare "OMFG I MUST GET IT OR SOMEONE WILL SHOOT ME!"

I didn't say they shouldn't have made it public, but they certainly should have done it to a much lesser degree. Keynote is one thing, not everyone hears about that, but once you slap it on the Apple homepage, everyone is going to see it. And most people are going to say, hey its a beta, but if its on the Apple homepage it must be pretty far along in its development cycle. Memory leaks is one thing, but missing text and missing menus is a whole different level. That certainly doesn't deserve to be on the homepage or a feature in the download section.

[ncc50446]

Wow, Safari is not to bad. I haven't had any problems. Well, the font looks weird, but other than that, works great. Only 30 megs of ram (Opera right now is using 32, 1 tab each). The grey top is kinda ugly, but other than that, its not to bad. I kinda like it. Not sure if I will fully switch from Opera to this, but will have it try it some more before I make that choice.

As with Quicktime, never had a problem with it either. Don't use iTunes though.

Edit:

Oh, another problem with Safari, when you click on the address bar, it doesn't select all the text. I like to just click once on it, and start typing, now I have to highlight the text before typing a new url.

Spell check doesn't seem to work either...

Another thing is with links, the title property doesn't work...When hovering over the new posts, if the forum doesn't show the full title, I can't hover over the link to see the full title. Kinda annoying.

Edited June 12, 2007 by ncc50446

[gigapixels Veteran]

I didn't say they shouldn't have made it public, but they certainly should have done it to a much lesser degree. Keynote is one thing, not everyone hears about that, but once you slap it on the Apple homepage, everyone is going to see it. And most people are going to say, hey its a beta, but if its on the Apple homepage it must be pretty far along in its development cycle. Memory leaks is one thing, but missing text and missing menus is a whole different level. That certainly doesn't deserve to be on the homepage or a feature in the download section.

Do you even understand what a beta test is? This is to find all these bugs that people are experiencing right now. That's the whole point! Doing what they did will help find bugs faster and get it out in a fully stable condition faster.

[DreadBoat89]

what a bad public beta... firefox public betas are so stable compared to this thing.

those apple devs should have spend like an extra month making it work in most situations

[gigapixels Veteran]

what a bad public beta... firefox public betas are so stable compared to this thing.

I'm assuming you didn't start using Firefox betas until after 1.0, or even 2.0, right? If that's the case, you have no clue what you're talking about. If that isn't the case, then you have a really bad memory.

You can't even compare the current Firefox betas to this. Firefox betas have a stable base to work on, as opposed to Safari whose current beta is the first public build for Windows. I think these bugs are to be expected. Like I said earlier, I'm surprised I haven't run into all the issues that others have.

[McoreD]

Here's my first experience with Safari on Windows... (I'm not impressed.)

Yours is better.

[someguy03]

Do you even understand what a beta test is? This is to find all these bugs that people are experiencing right now. That's the whole point! Doing what they did will help find bugs faster and get it out in a fully stable condition faster.

They could have easily done it on a much smaller scale. There are many users who are going to download this and not understand why the whole thing barely works. That is why it should be a more limited release. And even in its current state, you feel it deserves to be called the worlds best browser?

Firefox betas have a stable base to work on, as opposed to Safari whose current beta is the first public build for Windows.

Yes! Do you honestly believe something with so many problems should be given to the masses and plastered everywhere? Not everyone is lkie the people on neowin. They are going to download it and freak out because nothing works and not understand why. There are different stages of Betas. You have Google's betas, which is something like Gmail that is almost perfect but stays in beta for reasons that I don't understand. Then you have this, which barely works. People don't understand the difference.

[Denis W. Veteran]

ok wtf where did the rest of my post go? Did Safari just ate it like the 90MB of RAM that it's eating righ tnow? I swear I had a rather lengthy post reviewing this thing.

And another thing, when you click the neowin buttons SUBMIT or PREVIEW, you don;'t know you've clicked them, the onmouseclick event probably didn't go off for some reason.

You're not alone. Safari threw away half of my post for no given reason.

[gigapixels Veteran]

They could have easily done it on a much smaller scale. There are many users who are going to download this and not understand why the whole thing barely works. That is why it should be a more limited release. And even in its current state, you feel it deserves to be called the worlds best browser?

No, but they can say whatever the **** they want to! It really doesn't matter because it's a browser.

Yes! Do you honestly believe something with so many problems should be given to the masses and plastered everywhere? Not everyone is lkie the people on neowin. They are going to download it and freak out because nothing works and not understand why. There are different stages of Betas. You have Google's betas, which is something like Gmail that is almost perfect but stays in beta for reasons that I don't understand. Then you have this, which barely works. People don't understand the difference.

Beta is beta, no matter what stage it's in, and the word beta pretty much guarantees bugs. Yes, this should be given to the masses to TEST it, hence the fact that it's called a public beta. And it's not plastered everywhere. Who the hell visits Apple's website for no reason, especially when using Windows? This is only going to get around by word-of-mouth, which is exactly how Firefox got around in its early days. I see nothing wrong with that.

[HistoricalNeowin]

Ah this is quite funny from an outsiders perspective. "Worlds best browser" Oh **** we forgot people like text! Damn we always miss something

[someguy03]

My final thought on this topic is this: Apple should have contained this beta longer until it was farther along, or they should have conducted their beta testing on a smaller scale. It is certainly not ready to be considered public beta status. Just wait until newspapers publish articles about the beta and it circulates on the internet. We are going to have a very large amount of amateure computer users trying to use this beta who shouldn't be.

Edited June 12, 2007 by someguy03

[Thrawn]

WOW. I've been using Safari for a few hours now... of course I've used it at length before on friends computars...

but if you say you like it, you've got to be kidding. On Vista, this is really terrible compared with IE7.

Still, I'm very happy they're releasing this! Excellent example of how Apple products are mostly hype and no substance. Roflcopter.

[giga Veteran]

From what I see is that the Windows version seems to be having some problems. Safari 3 on my mac is running smooth.

[gigapixels Veteran]

WOW. I've been using Safari for a few hours now... of course I've used it at length before on friends computars...

but if you say you like it, you've got to be kidding. On Vista, this is really terrible compared with IE7.

Still, I'm very happy they're releasing this! Excellent example of how Apple products are mostly hype and no substance. Roflcopter.

Excellent example of how many posts on Neowin are mostly ignorance. Roflcopter.