Apple Safari to be released for the Windows Platform!

[NY1]

I love it! It's super fast in loading pages and opening new windows. Plus the whole look and feel of the browser itself is amazing!

[Gaius]

You call me stubborn, yet you're the one coming back at me.

1. Quicktime hasn't improved to my personal standards. Catch your breath and move on to number 2.

2. Quicktime and iTunes both disappointed me with their performance in Windows. They behave like ports and that's not a compliment. The UI is always less responsive/slower than native Windows apps and Apple has never shown any real desire to change that. It doesn't matter how often an app is open. It's not about stability. It's about performance. The UI is slow and clunky. Safari didn't crash on me. Quicktime never crashed on me. iTunes never crashed on me. They simply didn't perform well.

3. Simple marketing lingo or not, he should have left IE (a browser I don't even use) out of his statements and said what makes Safari so great and how it will improve the browsing habits of Windows users. He came out, said it's here, threw up a bunch of meaningless and inaccurate benchmarks and said the beta is up for download.

The fact of the matter is, it's a disappointing release. I was expecting something that would at least convince me to not uninstall it for a while. It couldn't even do that. You can play the "this is a first release" card all you want, but it's pointless. This is software from a big company that had no immediate need to rush it out. Not only did they rush it out, they made the initial comparisons and opened the flood gates to everything people like me are saying.

In the end, if they want to succeed on Windows with Safari, they need the application to behave like every other Windows application does. Average users don't care about javascript execution times. If the app is slow to open, doesn't render webpages as expected, and doesn't behave like an application in the Windows environment is expected to, then people aren't going to feel comfortable using it. I've used all 3 of the main browsers (IE, FX, and Opera). No version of any of these three ever made me turn away instantly. It was always a case of the application simply not being what I wanted feature wise. Safari simply didn't perform to meet my basic expectations. It was never even a question about features or bugs.

The fact of the matter is, I've made points and provided examples to back up my opinions. The only thing you keep spouting is that it's an early release. You can keep saying I'm wrong and it's an early release all you want, but I'm not the only person unsatisfied and you sure as hell won't change that. When you're a company like Apple, people expect quality. This is a sloppy beta and it should have been kept behind closed doors.

Sigh... you still don't get the logical misstep in comparing a browser to a media player in terms of stability that is required, you still act like Jobs rolled out some kind of ad campaign for this instead of just a keynote mention that took minutes to say, making promises he couldn't keep, and worst of all, you can't understand that there are LOTS of Apps that have betas native to Windows (AIM 6.0 anybody?) that a LOT of people would uninstall after the first run much less an App that is not native to Windows to begin with!

Clearly, you think that just because Apple is big, it should roll out something that you can use instantly without much hassle, but if you've been around Neowin, you'd know that an app doesn't do well until a public alpha is released online, with forums abuzz, helping sort out bugs, etc. Apple didn't do that. It just rolled out a beta and you should fully expect something that may not run well on your OS. How could you possibly think otherwise?

Now, just go ahead and wallow in your dissatisfaction while other people see this as a chance to get something fresh and new on Windows, to be improved upon so it may be more widely used.

[tunafish]

Sigh... you still don't get the logical misstep in comparing a browser to a media player in terms of stability that is required, you still act like Jobs rolled out some kind of ad campaign for this instead of just a keynote mention that took minutes to say, making promises he couldn't keep, and worst of all, you can't understand that there are LOTS of Apps that have betas native to Windows (AIM 6.0 anybody?) that a LOT of people would uninstall after the first run much less an App that is not native to Windows to begin with!

Clearly, you think that just because Apple is big, it should roll out something that you can use instantly without much hassle, but if you've been around Neowin, you'd know that an app doesn't do well until a public alpha is released online, with forums abuzz, helping sort out bugs, etc. Apple didn't do that. It just rolled out a beta and you should fully expect something that may not run well on your OS. How could you possibly think otherwise?

Now, just go ahead and wallow in your dissatisfaction while other people see this as a chance to get something fresh and new on Windows, to be improved upon so it may be more widely used.

spoken like a true fanboy

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

What system are you running under? I haven't had any problems like this at all. Running under Vista.

Windows Vista Ultimate x86.

[serenityrule1515]

just imported some of my bookmarks.....its running faster than opera!

im gonna ditch opera if the final improves on speed..and adding a ''new tab'' button :)

oh it starts up fast..easy installation and fast browsing....but my firefox still rules!

hope they fix memory hogging issue and text blurring!

other than that..awesome!

[rajputwarrior]

it screws up messenger for mac for some reason, if you close a window in messeger it crashes. i uninstalled the beta and now it works fine

[serenityrule1515]

just imported some of my bookmarks.....its running faster than opera!

im gonna ditch opera if the final improves on speed..and adding a ''new tab'' button :)

oh it starts up fast..easy installation and fast browsing....but my firefox still rules!

hope they fix memory hogging issue and text blurring!

other than that..awesome!

[tunafish]

it screws up messenger for mac for some reason, if you close a window in messeger it crashes. i uninstalled the beta and now it works fine

same issue i have got yet even when uninstalled it breaks other programs as well

[tiagosilva29]

Steve Jobs and his posse have the biggest balls in the Universe. Period.

Image Safari as a sandwich. They've (almost) successfully changed bread and it stills tastes the same (with a few quirks).

Not only that, but they're now threatening the other bakers in the city.

[Septimus]

The Safari codebase has a lot of Core2 Duo optimizations, so if you have that processor, you'll probably see the greatest benefit. If you have another SSE2 processor (P4 / Athlon64), you should see much of benefit, but Core Duo users will see the most.

Safari will be slower if you have an older Athlon or P3 without support for SSE2.

Running on 2.16 Core2... it still sucks :).

[Gaius]

spoken like a true fanboy

LOL I don't even own a single Apple product. Not even an Ipod. The closest thing I've used to an Apple product is Quicktime Alternative, because I only use it to watch trailers while my main A/V software is Foobar and MPlayer.

I'm actually more of a PC/Linux fanboy if anything.

[jahamus]

Amen to that.

And this is how safari is looking for me in vista. I love how the menus are completely blank. Feels more like alpha than beta

I got the same thing when I installed it on XP SP2.

[nomis_nehc]

meh, personally, i feel like this is a misstep on apple's part.

i don't think they should've released this build, it's simply not robust enough to be a public build. and since it's from apple, it's a bit disappointing to say the least.

the only thing i like about it is how it renders/smoothes the font. otherwise, i have similar complaints like others: uses up too much ram, somewhat slow gui, can't minimize from taskbar, open in new tab does not work correctly, can't maximize by double clicking the title bar, the theme/skin (friggin ugly, my firefox customized looks more like safari than this), and lastly, the forward and back mouse buttons don't work!! wtf??

in case anyone's wondering, i have a 4200+ x2, 1 gig of ram, on xp sp2.

[*John*]

After using it for a while, i'm back to firefox. Safari can be my third browser.

[DR3AMxCATCHER]

Installing right now, I can't wait to try this out!

[someguy03]

Sigh... you still don't get the logical misstep in comparing a browser to a media player in terms of stability that is required, you still act like Jobs rolled out some kind of ad campaign for this instead of just a keynote mention that took minutes to say, making promises he couldn't keep, and worst of all, you can't understand that there are LOTS of Apps that have betas native to Windows (AIM 6.0 anybody?) that a LOT of people would uninstall after the first run much less an App that is not native to Windows to begin with!

Clearly, you think that just because Apple is big, it should roll out something that you can use instantly without much hassle, but if you've been around Neowin, you'd know that an app doesn't do well until a public alpha is released online, with forums abuzz, helping sort out bugs, etc. Apple didn't do that. It just rolled out a beta and you should fully expect something that may not run well on your OS. How could you possibly think otherwise?

Now, just go ahead and wallow in your dissatisfaction while other people see this as a chance to get something fresh and new on Windows, to be improved upon so it may be more widely used.

We should expect everything from Apple. All Steve Jobs does is talk up the quality of their software and hardware (glass of water in hell). And if they aren't ready to push out a quality product then they can refrain from slapping on "The World's Best Browser", because it certainly doesn't deserve it on this platform.

[Gurudesign.no]

Mmm.. Would love to try it out, but nope..

[saxondale.]

Ah damn, my internet banking doesn't support it :( (mac user)

So far so good though.

[gigapixels Veteran]

We should expect everything from Apple. All Steve Jobs does is talk up the quality of their software and hardware (glass of water in hell). And if they aren't ready to push out a quality product then they can refrain from slapping on "The World's Best Browser", because it certainly doesn't deserve it on this platform.

It's a beta. Not to mention the first build out for Windows. The "quality product" is what will be delivered when it's final. But for now it's a beta and I don't see why everybody is crying like babies just because it doesn't work perfectly.

[batbeef]

I went from Ie7 to Firefox, now im going from Firefox to Safari just becasue I lkie the interface more. The only thing bugging me is that bankofamerica doest render right in safari.

[revvo]

Alright, I'm posting as we speak with Safari, omg how wonderful right? It depends!

There's a few things I'm noticing, maybe it's issues maybe it's "features"? The first thing that surprised me was how blurry the text looked. I tried configuring that but the options from light to strong doesn't change the blurryness, sort of annoying cause you think you're getting old and you're squinting your eyes like a dumbass, but that's ok! We're testing it!

The other thing is, right now when I'm typing this, the textarea has a glow indicating that this is the active textbox. I personally think this is annoying but I guess in Advanced configuration there's maybe a way to deactivate this using a custom CSS stylesheet? If ever I'm bored I'll try that

[EDIT]

ok wtf where did the rest of my post go? Did Safari just ate it like the 90MB of RAM that it's eating righ tnow? I swear I had a rather lengthy post reviewing this thing.

And another thing, when you click the neowin buttons SUBMIT or PREVIEW, you don;'t know you've clicked them, the onmouseclick event probably didn't go off for some reason.

[sn00pie]

For a beta it's quite amazing, but one thing I don't like is the fact that there's no way to turn off the cleartype style text. :/ If anyone knows how let me know, it's really annoying and my eyes hurt. lol

[Linkinfamous]

It's a beta. Not to mention the first build out for Windows. The "quality product" is what will be delivered when it's final. But for now it's a beta and I don't see why everybody is crying like babies just because it doesn't work perfectly.

iTunes and Quicktime on Windows aren't even quality products yet....

[someguy03]

It's a beta. Not to mention the first build out for Windows. The "quality product" is what will be delivered when it's final. But for now it's a beta and I don't see why everybody is crying like babies just because it doesn't work perfectly.

I still stand by the fact that it doesn't deserve to be called the world's best browser until it proves itself on the Windows platform. Something with this many problems should be in limited release or atleast publicized much less. The first AIM 6.0 beta's for example, were hidden back in the corners of the AIM website because it was not nearly ready for a large release. This Safari beta has been slapped on the Apple homepage and in the downloads section, and it is being treated as much more finished than it really is.

Edited June 11, 2007 by someguy03

[MulletRobZ]

Does anyone know if the Safari beta on Mac OS X will install in other languages? It's just that my system is in French and I would like to keep the system as consistent as possible. If it isn't, I guess I'll have to wait until October to buy Leopard.

And just at a curiosity, is there anything radically different on the beta compared to the Safari currently included with Tiger?