Windows 7 M1 is here...

[ViperAFK]

Aero doesn't drag down performance at all if you are running a decent card, if anything it makes it faster and more respnsive and takes load off of the cpu.

[ANova]

Real or not, I like the design and hope Win 7 doesn't end up like a slightly different Vista.

Aero doesn't drag down performance at all if you are running a decent card, if anything it makes it faster and more respnsive and takes load off of the cpu.

Aero is slow compared to OSX's Quartz Extreme and Compiz in Linux. I ran them all on an X850 XT and QE was faster even with a lack of driver support.

[The Rev]

Aero doesn't drag down performance at all if you are running a decent card, if anything it makes it faster and more respnsive and takes load off of the cpu.

What kind of pcs do the majority of home users use? Self built performance pcs or cheap OEM models? Sure, it works great on the former, but it needs to be BUILT for the latter.... Otherwise, you get what we hear every day about vista: a bunch of whiny noobs who know **** about computers complaining because they cant watch their porn videos stutter free.... maybe it doesn't "matter" but i have to say, i'm tired of hearing it. Hence an OSes need to perform more than just "average" on OEM systems (Dell, HP, Gateway, Sony mainly) and i gotta say, thats just not always the case. Vista has always run good on the HP laptops i've used..... but not GREAT... thats a problem for most people. In fact, even with the latest build of SP1 beta installed, I just see a lot of performance inconsistency with Vista, and this is no wimpy system. 2gig dual core 64bit Turion proc, 2 gigs ram... At that level, I should have advanced beyond stutters and inconsistent performance levels considering i don't push it very hard, yet I have not. How can a system that nice (at least DOUBLE the minimum requirements for vista) not run a half step below PERFECTION? I sincerely hope MS doesn't consider SP1's release "case closed" with regard to performance/reliability enhancements.

Edited January 19, 2008 by ispamforfood

[Brandon Live Veteran]

Real or not, I like the design and hope Win 7 doesn't end up like a slightly different Vista.

Aero is slow compared to OSX's Quartz Extreme and Compiz in Linux. I ran them all on an X850 XT and QE was faster even with a lack of driver support.

Faster? Faster how?

[vipwoody]

I'm sorry but it's an obvious fake, as stated by the name 'MSN Messenger', and IE11. Since when does MS skip 4 versions of a program just to put a 'newer version' into an alpha stage OS. They wouldn't. Any Windows 7 M1 out there will probably be running IE7.

-Spenser

yeah, i noticed that after i posted that. you are right.

[Victor V.]

And even if we wanted to believe, it is possible that someone tricked you.

Whatever, +1 to OSXI build 1337...

Fact is, in an interview a Microsoft developer said himself that design is one of the last things they do, and they even work in Windows Classic mode...

or have everyone forgotten the exciting purple vista start?

[ANova]

Faster? Faster how?

Faster. You know, as in more responsive, less stuttering and quicker to render. You might want to try the alternatives.

[XPero]

You know, though its probly fake, consider this...... Why NOT include the new gui in alpha builds? I mean, look what happened with Vista...... They waited too damn long to integrate the new GUI into beta builds that it ended up being detrimental to the performance of Vista..... Honestly, I think they SHOULD create the gui first...... at least then, they'd have over a year to tweak the gui so its not going to drag down your computer like it has in XP and Vista.

It is very clear that you're not a developer

[abcdefg]

Faster. You know, as in more responsive, less stuttering and quicker to render. You might want to try the alternatives.

He can't. Only the official let's-copy-what-other-companies-do-team is allowed to use Mac/Linux.

[FATILA]

Widgets, faster search, 3D window switching. What alpha OS had these in 2003? :p

[ViperAFK]

Real or not, I like the design and hope Win 7 doesn't end up like a slightly different Vista.

Aero is slow compared to OSX's Quartz Extreme and Compiz in Linux. I ran them all on an X850 XT and QE was faster even with a lack of driver support.

Compiz was slow as hell on my 7600GS compared to Aero. Aero was always perfectly smooth, compiz lagged all the time minimizing windows mainly and some of the other simple animations that shouldn't lag. I had tried tweaking it alot, using many different nvidia drivers and many different versions of compiz/beryl and compiz fusion, it never worked as smooth as aero. Compiz always felt incredibly unresponsive compared to aero too. I have NEVER seen aero stutter or lag, especially minimizing damn windows. I haven't been able to try linux on my x1950 pro yet, but it would probably be evern worse due to ati's linux drivers.

[Glowstick]

LOL?@ mechanical mouse movement in the fake video.

I mean, jesus, those people should try harder. I'm sure that anyone with some basic C# and XAML coding skills and some design ideas that don't look like Fisher Price can hack up an application to create a really funky and "real" looking fake video.

[zshadow]

Real or not, I like the design and hope Win 7 doesn't end up like a slightly different Vista.

Aero is slow compared to OSX's Quartz Extreme and Compiz in Linux. I ran them all on an X850 XT and QE was faster even with a lack of driver support.

You shouldn't get any slowdown with Aero on a X850 XT. I'd say an FX5500 is about the minimum for Aero (which is a terribly weak card).

[ANova]

Compiz was slow as hell on my 7600GS compared to Aero. Aero was always perfectly smooth, compiz lagged all the time minimizing windows mainly and some of the other simple animations that shouldn't lag. I had tried tweaking it alot, using many different nvidia drivers and many different versions of compiz/beryl and compiz fusion, it never worked as smooth as aero. Compiz always felt incredibly unresponsive compared to aero too. I have NEVER seen aero stutter or lag, especially minimizing damn windows. I haven't been able to try linux on my x1950 pro yet, but it would probably be evern worse due to ati's linux drivers.

You must have used really crappy drivers. I ran Compiz in Ubuntu off of a live cd on an old P3 with a 9500 Pro and it was smooth as butter, much better than Aero runs on my much faster P4 3.4, X850 XT. Vista is laggy in comparison and I've tried a couple different drivers.

Maybe fast to you is slow to me but I'm telling you, Compiz was really fast the time I played around with it.

[Glowstick]

If we're going to be anecdotal, Aero had also been ****ting its pants occasionally here with recent drivers, so duh.

[ViperAFK]

You must have used really crappy drivers. I ran Compiz in Ubuntu off of a live cd on an old P3 with a 9500 Pro and it was smooth as butter, much better than Aero runs on my much faster P4 3.4, X850 XT. Vista is laggy in comparison and I've tried a couple different drivers.

Maybe fast to you is slow to me but I'm telling you, Compiz was really fast the time I played around with it.

By "Slow" I meant when I would minimize windows it would drop frames and lag, and unminimizing windows like firefox it would lag and flicker black. I always used the newest nvidia drivers. Certain animations were always perfectly smooth but these were the really fancy more intensive effects like flames n **** which I never use. I have used Aero on an integrated x200 fine, and also no lag on an old ass 9600PRO. so I guess we both have an odd problem maybe related to drivers. There is no way Aero should be slow on your card and compiz slow on mine.

[dr.bisho]

i wonder what the above posts have to do with the Topic!!!!

[Hell_Of_Doom]

Aero is great. I just wish Microsoft offers more themes. I don't really like Stardock apps and etc...

[Master_X]

Aero is great. I just wish Microsoft offers more themes. I don't really like Stardock apps and etc...

I doubt that will happen with Windows 7. Microsoft hasn't ever really been one to include a bunch of themes. Look at the 9x series they all used the same taskbar, but you could change the color. XP you only had 3 color choices. Vista is like the 9x series and you have the same taskbar, but you can choose from any color.

Really if you want more themes your going to need a 3rd party program or find a patch to install your own themes.

[Brandon Live Veteran]

Faster. You know, as in more responsive, less stuttering and quicker to render. You might want to try the alternatives.

I own two Macs. My laptop is a Macbook (black C2D model) with Leopard on it.

I was simply curious how you measure the performance of the DWM versus QE / XGL. On the same system at the same resolution, I have always found them to be comparable. The DWM does have some extra burden versus Quartz Extreme, since QE doesn't do anything in 3D - and doesn't have to contend with all the legacy support that the DWM does. Further, Apple has much tighter control over the driver situation.

Still, unless you're trying to drive a very high resolution display on a low memory (or terribly slow) video card, composition with the DWM should always be silky smooth. One case where it wasn't was on my old work machine, which was an X300 and and X200 on-board chip driving three monitors. The cards simply weren't up to the task at that resolution, and transitions would sometimes be a little choppy. But the 8600 in my new box drives two 24" beautifully. And as I said, my Macbook runs both the DWM and QE just as smoothly (unless I connect a large external display, at which point they both drop frames now and then).

[Brandon Live Veteran]

You must have used really crappy drivers. I ran Compiz in Ubuntu off of a live cd on an old P3 with a 9500 Pro and it was smooth as butter, much better than Aero runs on my much faster P4 3.4, X850 XT. Vista is laggy in comparison and I've tried a couple different drivers.

Maybe fast to you is slow to me but I'm telling you, Compiz was really fast the time I played around with it.

Something must be horribly wrong with your configuration. There is no way Aero would perform anything but perfectly on an X850 XT.

What is your WEI score for Desktop Graphics?

[maxsquared]

Something must be horribly wrong with your configuration. There is no way Aero would perform anything but perfectly on an X850 XT.

What is your WEI score for Desktop Graphics?

So it's not just me, I have the same problem with AERO, when it's transparent. It lags when minimize.

My GPU is QUADRO M140, it's a thinkpad laptop. I think it's drive, as even laptop from work, which uses Intel X3100 works great.

[CloudEngineer]

screens?

[XPero]

Even if you dont have Aero, post some screens!

[jamesisdaman]

Even if you dont have Aero, post some screens!

If it was real he would of backed him self up with screens!