GTAIV - PS3 vs 360

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Thing is the 360 and PS3 GPUs aren't in the same generation. RSX is a generation older. That makes for a significant difference.

Edit: Reading the reviews looks like the Burnout Paradise comparison, with PS3 having less of a pop-in issue. I have to think that's due to more extensive use of the hard drive in the PS3 versions (since unlike 360 every PS3 has a hard drive so it makes sense to use it as much as possible). I still can't believe Microsoft went and did the Core. It and $100 wireless are the worst two things about the system, well RROD is also terrible :p

Not adding to flamebait or anything but not really, RSX is based on G71 architecture which is same generation as 7900xxx. Xenos is based on R500 which is X1900/X1950 generation so they're technology both based from same era in the PC phase.

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Not adding to flamebait or anything but not really, RSX is based on G71 architecture which is same generation as 7900xxx. Xenos is based on R500 which is X1900/X1950 generation so they're technology both based from same era in the PC phase.

The R520 is the X1800/19x0 generation. The R500 sits in between the two ATI generations in many ways, it's not quite an R600 but it's definitely more feature rich than the X1xxx generation (and the R500 IS the Xenos, nothing else uses this architecture). That 20 makes a big difference, it's much more closely related to the R600.

It's an odd like inconsistency in the numerical codename system. It might be a 500 but in reality it's very different from everything else in the 5xx family of ATI GPUs.

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It's hard to compare the GPU's, nvidia basically took a geforce 7 and tweaked it a bit, but ATI created a whole new architecture for it. It's more closely related to the R600 than anything else (for example, it has unified shaders, the X1xxx range do not).

What a lot of people are missing is that...well...they just don't make games for a living and end up just re-quoting what they read in other articles, articles written by people who also don't make games, or who interviewed people that do and take something they say out of context or blow it out of proportion.

In reality, there are significant advantages and disadvantages to BOTH consoles. While the PS3 may be more powerful, it's a LOT harder to really utilise that power, it balances out.

Think of it this way - the 360 is very easy to use. If you can code a PC game, you can code a 360 game, the libraries used are extremely similar and everything is very familliar.

So it doesn't take you long getting your game up and running. That's great, because it means you've got longer to tweak it and optimise it, to really get the most from it.

The PS3, on the other hand, is a lot trickier to handle. It takes a bit longer to get it up and running and although it might be faster initially, it takes MUCH longer to tweak it and it's also a lot harder to do so, so you spend less time doing it (or rather, it simply doesn't get tweaked as much). In the end, they both end up at roughly the same power.

There's marginal differences here and there, but they're minute and not going to take away from your game experience at all.

Even the live vs. PSN debate is all pointless, because while Live may be better overall, PSN is free. Swings and roundabouts. Personally, I prefer free over anything else, but I've still got a live subscription, so go figure.

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Games like this do benefit from installing/caching...

I'm disappointed as rumour was the 360 would have an optional install, but it doesn't.

Damn MS and their choice to separate the market with the tard pack!!

The game does have a semi-lengthy load everytime you turn it on. It must be about 20-30 seconds like that article said.

No load times after that, but there is fairly bad pop in at times. Like if you're driving fast, sometimes the whole road texture will just pop in, previously it isn't there at all - It's not a see through road, it's just like a road that's all one colour - No texture to it.

Or if you turn around, sometimes objects will just "appear". It's not "bad", and it's what we're used to with GTA, however I'm sure caching like it does on the PS3 version will help.

As for the slight gfx differences, "big deal" - It's a good looking game on the scale of things, but it's textures ain't gonna win any huge awards compared to games on a smaller scale - Like Bioshock, Uncharted, ect.

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Goddamnit, As a Wii, owner, I really am torn down on deciding whether I should get the PS3 or the Xbox360 now! :( I am buying this console for GTA4, but I also want a console that will have good games in the future and have a good online system. I really wonder how godo the PSN system will be compared to Live in the future.

This is really driving me nuts as I just can't decide which console to get. :(

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Goddamnit, As a Wii, owner, I really am torn down on deciding whether I should get the PS3 or the Xbox360 now! :( I am buying this console for GTA4, but I also want a console that will have good games in the future and have a good online system. I really wonder how godo the PSN system will be compared to Live in the future.

This is really driving me nuts as I just can't decide which console to get. :(

360 IMO. It has the best selection right now, and it's definitely got a ton of good games coming up in the future. I love my PS3, but I love my 360 more :laugh:

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Goddamnit, As a Wii, owner, I really am torn down on deciding whether I should get the PS3 or the Xbox360 now! :( I am buying this console for GTA4, but I also want a console that will have good games in the future and have a good online system. I really wonder how godo the PSN system will be compared to Live in the future.

This is really driving me nuts as I just can't decide which console to get. :(

PSN will build up to compare with Live, either on par (each with pro's and con's), or potentially pushing the envelope. There will be a 2D enviroment (XMB) and a 3D enviroment (Home).

So really, basing your purchase should come down to games. Did you own a PS2, did you own an Xbox?

Finally, take what everyone says as a recommendation, but you must understand everyone has their own bias' :p

A lot of people will tell you "PSN WILL SUCK FOREVER!!!111", but im optimistic it will deliver well this year. Just depends who you hear from, what you'll hear ;)

But you're in the right mindset, don't buy a console just for GTA4, make sure the other titles/features of the console you'll buy will tide you over for the future! A typical console lifespan should at least push 4-5 years and then go from there towards 10.

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Yeah, the PSN never works, it's total BS.

Oh wait... it's because I always lose the signal of my wireless router. Is it even possible to have a wireless router that works?

My wireless router works fine - Netgear DG834PN

Try updating your router firmware, mine used to drop wireless signals a lot, even from the PC, till I updated.

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Seriously... get a PS3!

It is a much more versatile and reliable console. Its also the best Blu-ray player currently available by anyone, anywhere.

The Playstation Network is free and its GREAT. Sony have ironed out a lot of problems that plagued the old PSN and making it better by adding Playstation Home, Movie and Music download service, accomplishments etc.

There is a great selection of games and an AWESOME list of titles coming in the next couple of years.

Why risk buying an Xbox 360 only to send it back because of RRoD. They are poorly designed systems and made of cheap parts. Dont let Microsoft's billiions of dollars make you choose their console. The only reason Xbox sells is because Microsoft make people feel like they need it. Once you get it, you regret it.

As for Xbox Live.... big deal. For the price you pay you would expect that sort of service. I cant see any future plan for the Live service. Where is it heading? IPTV? Big deal! They have no future goals for Xbox Live. Its just a place to download stuff.

I used to like the Xbox 360 but the only way Microsoft can kill the PS3 now is by releasing the Xbox 720. The Xbox 360 platform is becoming a stale snail.

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Seriously... get a PS3!

It is a much more versatile and reliable console. Its also the best Blu-ray player currently available by anyone, anywhere.

The Playstation Network is free and its GREAT. Sony have ironed out a lot of problems that plagued the old PSN.

There is a great selection of games and an AWESOME list of titles coming in the next couple of years.

Why risk buying an Xbox 360 only to send it back because of RRoD. They are poorly designed systems and made of cheap parts. Dont let Microsoft's billiions of dollars make you choose their console. The only reason Xbox sells is because Microsoft make people feel like they need it. Once you get it, you regret it.

Trust me, I used to like the Xbox 360 but the only way Microsoft can kill the PS3 now is by releasing the Xbox 720. The Xbox 360 platform is becoming a stale snail.

LONG LIVE THE PLAYSTATION.

There's one in ever crowd. :rolleyes:

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Seriously... get a PS3!

It is a much more versatile and reliable console. Its also the best Blu-ray player currently available by anyone, anywhere.

The Playstation Network is free and its GREAT. Sony have ironed out a lot of problems that plagued the old PSN and making it better by adding Playstation Home, Movie and Music download service, accomplishments etc.

There is a great selection of games and an AWESOME list of titles coming in the next couple of years.

Why risk buying an Xbox 360 only to send it back because of RRoD. They are poorly designed systems and made of cheap parts. Dont let Microsoft's billiions of dollars make you choose their console. The only reason Xbox sells is because Microsoft make people feel like they need it. Once you get it, you regret it.

As for Xbox Live.... big deal. For the price you pay you would expect that sort of service. I cant see any future plan for the Live service. Where is it heading? IPTV? Big deal! They have no future goals for Xbox Live. Its just a place to download stuff.

Trust me, I used to like the Xbox 360 but the only way Microsoft can kill the PS3 now is by releasing the Xbox 720. The Xbox 360 platform is becoming a stale snail.

LONG LIVE THE PLAYSTATION.

You do realise that being a hardcore fanboy and spreading guff around only puts people OFF buying the thing you want to peddle, right? Nobody's going to look at your post and think "oh right, that's a truly informed opinion and my mind is made up", they're just going to go "oh god he's one of THEM, I wonder if they're all like that...".

Seriously, grow up, both consoles are excellent and that's the truth, whatever the guy decides to get he'll be more than happy with.

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You do realise that being a hardcore fanboy and spreading guff around only puts people OFF buying the thing you want to peddle, right? Nobody's going to look at your post and think "oh right, that's a truly informed opinion and my mind is made up", they're just going to go "oh god he's one of THEM, I wonder if they're all like that...".

Seriously, grow up, both consoles are excellent and that's the truth, whatever the guy decides to get he'll be more than happy with.

what isn't true about what he said though? It's a proven fact that the 360 is the most unreliable console ever made. I mean yeah his post was definitely a fanboyish rant. But in reality what he said is true.

Anyways, this thread has gone completely off topic. How about we get back to the GTA discussion.

If I end up getting the game, which is still undecided, I will buy it for ps3.

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what isn't true about what he said though? It's a proven fact that the 360 is the most unreliable console ever made. I mean yeah his post was definitely a fanboyish rant. But in reality what he said is true.

What he failed to mention is that OLDER models of the 360 have the potential RROD problem, but later ones don't (or at least it's nowhere near as bad as before, I've yet to see anyone with a "falcon" report the RROD). So if someone DID go out and get a 360 today, it's likely not going to be an issue for them, so why mention it at all?

And why only mention negative points about the 360 and positive ones about the PS3? Why not be fair and admit that while the 360 had issues with reliability, the PS3 has issues with it's online store, or some games require hard drive installs, or whatever? Why not just be a man and admit that both consoles have their pros and cons and none of them should really be affecting your judgement because you're buying it for the GAMES?

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Seriously... get a PS3!

It is a much more versatile and reliable console. Its also the best Blu-ray player currently available by anyone, anywhere.

The Playstation Network is free and its GREAT. Sony have ironed out a lot of problems that plagued the old PSN and making it better by adding Playstation Home, Movie and Music download service, accomplishments etc.

There is a great selection of games and an AWESOME list of titles coming in the next couple of years.

Why risk buying an Xbox 360 only to send it back because of RRoD. They are poorly designed systems and made of cheap parts. Dont let Microsoft's billiions of dollars make you choose their console. The only reason Xbox sells is because Microsoft make people feel like they need it. Once you get it, you regret it.

As for Xbox Live.... big deal. For the price you pay you would expect that sort of service. I cant see any future plan for the Live service. Where is it heading? IPTV? Big deal! They have no future goals for Xbox Live. Its just a place to download stuff.

I used to like the Xbox 360 but the only way Microsoft can kill the PS3 now is by releasing the Xbox 720. The Xbox 360 platform is becoming a stale snail.

You convinced me, just put my 360 and all the games in the bin. Now I am out to get a PS3!! :rolleyes:

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Seriously... get a PS3!

It is a much more versatile and reliable console. Its also the best Blu-ray player currently available by anyone, anywhere.

The Playstation Network is free and its GREAT. Sony have ironed out a lot of problems that plagued the old PSN and making it better by adding Playstation Home, Movie and Music download service, accomplishments etc.

There is a great selection of games and an AWESOME list of titles coming in the next couple of years.

Why risk buying an Xbox 360 only to send it back because of RRoD. They are poorly designed systems and made of cheap parts. Dont let Microsoft's billiions of dollars make you choose their console. The only reason Xbox sells is because Microsoft make people feel like they need it. Once you get it, you regret it.

As for Xbox Live.... big deal. For the price you pay you would expect that sort of service. I cant see any future plan for the Live service. Where is it heading? IPTV? Big deal! They have no future goals for Xbox Live. Its just a place to download stuff.

I used to like the Xbox 360 but the only way Microsoft can kill the PS3 now is by releasing the Xbox 720. The Xbox 360 platform is becoming a stale snail.

You do talk some utter trash, im expecting you have never played on a 360. Most of the stuff you say is just opinion and not hard fact.

PS3 is not more versitile and reliabe. My PS3 failed me on my first day, at the same time my premium RRoD'd once and my Wii CD Drive died and has just died again (furious about not being able to play wii fitness) Yeah 360 may have higher failure rate but this is starting to be less and less common, my Elite is great and has been on for days on end with no RRoD.

Being the Best blu-ray player is debatable, im not complaining because i think its great but others may think a dedicated blu-ray player is better.

Still has lots and lots of problems compared to live, i play call of duty 4 on PS3 and have it for xbox too, the experience is much better on live, far better. Less to no disconnections on live and lower ping rates. The 360 has had movie downloads, achievements, game downloads for ages. So whats sony doing new?

I Would not say there is a great selection of games, not by long shot, the AAA titles are far too expensive on the PS3 with the exception of GT5:P (but thats a demo!) and there is not THAT MANY out there, whereas 360 already has killer titles. Say what you want but with titles like Gears, Mass Effect, Halo 3, Lost Odyssey the 360 has a better offering at this point of time. Fair enough MGS4 is coming for PS3 but its not here yet. Who cares about a game thats releasing in future, i CARE about NOW. I have more games for my 360 than my PS3 main reasons are live, pricing of games and DLC, keeping this ontopic GTA4 for the 360 will have DLC so theres another reason why i went for the 360 version as oppose to the PS3 one.

Microsoft does not make people buy the console what are you trippin on? People buy with thier own intuition and pockets, at this point of time its cheaper than PS3 and has a wider library of games so offcourse people will buy it. I was not dissapointed and many others are not, its a shame people like you who have never owned or played on it just make trash up like that.

10 million + people on xbox live disagree with you, and im sure many others who dont have will. Its by far the best online service and will be for years to come. It is getting better and will have more new offerings that IPTV. Its just you dont know about them, they could have anything cooking up there in redmond. If you think xbox live is a place where you can only download stuff then you are mistaken and very uninformed. Making uneducated guesses like that isnt going to get you any brownie points here. Xbox live has demos, arcade games, full game downloads, Old Xbox Classics, Movies and rentals. There is MSN aswell so xbox live users (Gold and Silver) are connected to one of the biggest IM networks out there. The friend list on live is great, has the ability to join games and invite, i was unable to join a game on COD4 on PS3 i had to launch it and then send an invite. Its minor but after seeing how easy it is on live it makes the ps3 look irritating (home may solve this problem but we will see)

I dont believe you have ever like microsoft or the xbox i think you just said that so you dont get branded as a fanboy, your not doing a good job like.

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You do talk some utter trash, im expecting you have never played on a 360. Most of the stuff you say is just opinion and not hard fact.

PS3 is not more versitile and reliabe. My PS3 failed me on my first day, at the same time my premium RRoD'd once and my Wii CD Drive died and has just died again (furious about not being able to play wii fitness) Yeah 360 may have higher failure rate but this is starting to be less and less common, my Elite is great and has been on for days on end with no RRoD.

Being the Best blu-ray player is debatable, im not complaining because i think its great but others may think a dedicated blu-ray player is better.

Still has lots and lots of problems compared to live, i play call of duty 4 on PS3 and have it for xbox too, the experience is much better on live, far better. Less to no disconnections on live and lower ping rates. The 360 has had movie downloads, achievements, game downloads for ages. So whats sony doing new?

I Would not say there is a great selection of games, not by long shot, the AAA titles are far too expensive on the PS3 with the exception of GT5:P (but thats a demo!) and there is not THAT MANY out there, whereas 360 already has killer titles. Say what you want but with titles like Gears, Mass Effect, Halo 3, Lost Odyssey the 360 has a better offering at this point of time. Fair enough MGS4 is coming for PS3 but its not here yet. Who cares about a game thats releasing in future, i CARE about NOW. I have more games for my 360 than my PS3 main reasons are live, pricing of games and DLC, keeping this ontopic GTA4 for the 360 will have DLC so theres another reason why i went for the 360 version as oppose to the PS3 one.

Microsoft does not make people buy the console what are you trippin on? People buy with thier own intuition and pockets, at this point of time its cheaper than PS3 and has a wider library of games so offcourse people will buy it. I was not dissapointed and many others are not, its a shame people like you who have never owned or played on it just make trash up like that.

10 million + people on xbox live disagree with you, and im sure many others who dont have will. Its by far the best online service and will be for years to come. It is getting better and will have more new offerings that IPTV. Its just you dont know about them, they could have anything cooking up there in redmond. If you think xbox live is a place where you can only download stuff then you are mistaken and very uninformed. Making uneducated guesses like that isnt going to get you any brownie points here. Xbox live has demos, arcade games, full game downloads, Old Xbox Classics, Movies and rentals. There is MSN aswell so xbox live users (Gold and Silver) are connected to one of the biggest IM networks out there. The friend list on live is great, has the ability to join games and invite, i was unable to join a game on COD4 on PS3 i had to launch it and then send an invite. Its minor but after seeing how easy it is on live it makes the ps3 look irritating (home may solve this problem but we will see)

I dont believe you have ever like microsoft or the xbox i think you just said that so you dont get branded as a fanboy, your not doing a good job like.

There can be 10 million on live, but doesn't matter if none of your friends got GTA 4 on Xbox 360. So, as said before, go for the version that most of your friends are getting. That's the only difference I would care about.

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My wireless router works fine - Netgear DG834PN

Try updating your router firmware, mine used to drop wireless signals a lot, even from the PC, till I updated.

Hm yeah, netgear is more reliable than Linksys I think. The sad thing is, I DO have the latest firmware. And calling Linksys isn't really going to help because they won't get it replaced and I don't feel like speaking english for 2-3 hours with a dude that doesn't even know how to speak english (hell I'm french-canadian and I speak better than them, there must be something wrong)

But I don't see how the PSN can suck compared to xbox live, that was my main point :p

Ok ok ok, you can speak to the others, I agree it must be cool, but still, you pay for the headphone combined with a mic, and you pay a monthly fee.

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What he failed to mention is that OLDER models of the 360 have the potential RROD problem, but later ones don't (or at least it's nowhere near as bad as before, I've yet to see anyone with a "falcon" report the RROD). So if someone DID go out and get a 360 today, it's likely not going to be an issue for them, so why mention it at all?

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http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=7931

http://n4g.com/xbox360/NewsCom-71365.aspx

http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=22609

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173132

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^^^The fact that you can find posts like that is completely irrelevant to the point he was making that newer 360's are far more reliable (not to mention that two of those links are the same article).

If people cared about RROD as much as the PS3 camp would have everyone think, there'd be no reason that the 360 should've reached 19 million sold, up 74% from a year ago.

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Play the latest games with graphics that rival reality. DirectX 12 Ultimate comes ready to maximize your hardware* Screen space. Snap layouts, desktops & seamless redocking Widgets. Stay up-to-date with the content you love & the new you care about Microsoft Teams. Stay in touch with friends and family with Microsoft Teams, which can be seamlessly integrated into your taskbar** Wake & lock. Automatically wake up when you approach and lock when you leave Smart App Control. Provides a layer of security by only permitting apps with good reputations to be installed Windows Studio Effects. Designed with Background Blur, Eye Contact, Voice Focus, & Automatic Framing Touchscreen. For a true mouse-less or keyboard-less experience TPM 2.0. Helps prevent unwanted tampering Windows 11 Pro also includes a number of productivity-focused features, such as the ability to snap multiple windows together and create custom layouts, improved voice typing, and a new, more powerful search experience. Personal and professional users will enjoy a modern and secure computing experience, with improved performance and productivity features to help users get more done. Only on Windows 11 Pro If you require enterprise-oriented features for your daily professional tasks, then Windows 11 Pro is a better option. Set up with a local account (only when set up for work or school) Join Active Directory/Azure AD Hyper-V Windows Sandbox Microsoft Remote Desktop BitLocker device encryption Windows Information Protection Mobile device management (MDM) Group Policy Enterprise State Roaming with Azure Assigned Access Dynamic Provisioning Windows Update for Business Kiosk mode Maximum RAM: 2TB Maximum no. of CPUs: 2 Maximum no. of CPU cores: 128 Good to know: Length of access: lifetime Redemption deadline: redeem your code within 30 days of purchase Access options: desktop Max number of device(s): 1 Version: Windows 11 Pro Updates included Click here to verify Microsoft partnership Created with ChatGPT The essentials to get it all done. Microsoft Office 2024 Home is the latest version of Microsoft’s renowned productivity suite, which includes essential applications like Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote. This version is specifically designed for individuals and families seeking reliable tools for various home tasks, including document creation, spreadsheet management, presentation design, and note-taking. Office Home 2024 is for students and families who want classic Office apps on their Mac or PC. A one-time purchase installed on 1 PC or Mac for use at home or school. Lifetime license for MS Word, Excel, PowerPoint, & OneNote One-time purchase installed on 1 Windows PC for use at home or work Instant Delivery & Download – access your software license keys and download links instantly Free customer service – only the best support! Microsoft Office 2024 Home or Business for PC or Mac includes: Microsoft Office Word Microsoft Office Excel Microsoft Office PowerPoint Microsoft Office OneNote Is it legit? Click here to verify Microsoft partnership Good to Know ONE-TIME PURCHASE INSTALLED ON 1 DEVICE This licensing type will be connected with your Microsoft Account, NOT your actual device. This is a one-use code. The product you are purchasing is NOT MICROSOFT 365. Please read the product details. Redemption deadline: redeem your code within 30 days of purchase Access options: desktop Full versions No subscriptions – no monthly/annual fees Version: 2024 Updates included Here's the deal: This Microsoft Office Pro 2024 + Windows 11 Pro bundle normally costs $448.99, but this deal can be yours from just $134.97, that's a saving of $314. For full terms, specifications, and license info please click the link below. Microsoft Office Pro 2024 + Windows 11 Pro for just $134.97 (was $448.99) Although priced in U.S. dollars, this deal is available for digital purchase worldwide. Support queries If you have queries or need support for any of the Neowin Deals, please use the contact form here. Neowin Deals are managed and sold by StackCommerce who represent Neowin on an affiliate basis. 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