Mozilla Firefox 3.0 RC1

[Kushan]

I can't comment on the actual reasons as to why Opera is smaller than firefox (it's got something to do with how each is designed, Firefox is designed from the ground up to be very extensible, which is great, but the side effect is that each little addition is bigger than if it was implemented purely through C), but it is a fact none the less and as I said before, the developers have to pay careful attention to what they do add to the browser.

Don't forget, part of Firefox's design is to be lean and mean, but super customisable (Whereas Opera's is to have everything but the kitchen sink, two different designs that have their own pros and cons) so you can install any features you want or need. Sure, it's a bit of an effort, but the benefit is that you pretty much build the browser to suit YOUR needs, rather than someone else's.

I don't really want to turn this into an Opera Vs. Firefox debate or anything, I'm not saying anything is wrong with Opera at all, I'm simply saying that both Opera and Mozilla develop their software in much different ways to each other.

[Robbie Khan Reviews]

Does Opera have Adblock (an adblocker as good as Adblock in fact) ? no.

Enough said.

[Kushan]

Seriously guys, don't turn this into an Opera Vs. Firefox debate, it's a senseless argument that no side is going to win, at least not until someone develops an extension that's capable of manifesting into a physical form that can perform sexual favours for you....

[x-byte]

You're insulting Firefox 3 for not having Aero glass, yet your rubbishy Opera doesn't have it by default does it? No!

No I'm not. I just find it a bit strange that a small add on could do this easy, while FF3 doesn't have an option to enable it by default (through the theme).

I can't comment on the actual reasons as to why Opera is smaller than firefox (it's got something to do with how each is designed, Firefox is designed from the ground up to be very extensible, which is great, but the side effect is that each little addition is bigger than if it was implemented purely through C), but it is a fact none the less and as I said before, the developers have to pay careful attention to what they do add to the browser.

Don't forget, part of Firefox's design is to be lean and mean, but super customisable (Whereas Opera's is to have everything but the kitchen sink, two different designs that have their own pros and cons) so you can install any features you want or need. Sure, it's a bit of an effort, but the benefit is that you pretty much build the browser to suit YOUR needs, rather than someone else's.

I don't really want to turn this into an Opera Vs. Firefox debate or anything, I'm not saying anything is wrong with Opera at all, I'm simply saying that both Opera and Mozilla develop their software in much different ways to each other.

I agree on most points. But I would say Opera also lets you customize the layout and functionallity rather well. And nothing is enabled by default. I just think that is a better solution. Although Opera and FF mixed together would make a superb browser.?

Does Opera have Adblock (an adblocker as good as Adblock in fact) ? no.

Enough said.

When was that ever a topic?

[ViperAFK]

Yes, because in order to implement Aero glass properly, in Firefox, ironing out all of the bugs, etc, it would have pushed Firefox 3's release date back quite a bit (as they have to change code within their rendering engine, or something like that). Therefore they are going to implement Aero glass in Firefox 4.

I see nothing wrong with that, because I'd rather have Firefox 3 released ASAP. I'm even happier now I know of an extension to get Aero glass.

You're insulting Firefox 3 for not having Aero glass, yet your rubbishy Opera doesn't have it by default does it? No!

QFT (Except opera is not "rubbish" ) I like both opera and firefox, but between Opera 9.5 and firefox it looks like firefox 3 is winning this round, amazing browser. I was kind of disappointed with firefox 2.

[Robbie Khan Reviews]

It's on topic because it's a feature firefox is able to utilise properly as opposed to only half of what other browsers can do even with addons installed. This makes Firefox the safer browser as well because of the subscribed adblock lists available to block out risky ads and also a cleaner browsing experience.

[Calum Veteran]

Ah yes! that is indeed done by a glassier update :p

You need to patch the UXTheme files suing Neowin's patcher and then use a visual style called VistaGlass (attached here). You can then vary the pacity in the Colours and Appearances section in Vista after applying the VS :)

Thank you very much for the visual style mrk! It sounds amazing :) I'm going to try and install it straight away. I just need to find that Neowin patcher to patch the UXTheme files, first :)

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

There is an extension called Glasser that provide a glass look in Firefox 3.0 RC1

It can be downloaded from http://www.sixxgate.com/files/glasser.xpi

[Rappy Veteran]

I will probably get the finale when its out because extensions I use aren't compatible yet but of course you could force them but it breaks the browser.

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

I will probably get the finale when its out because extensions I use aren't compatible yet but of course you could force them but it breaks the browser.

If you use Mr Tech toolkit it will not break the browser. I used it to make one extension compatible out of 13 that I use. Just today on AMO several extensions were upgraded so it won't take long.

[Gaius]

Does Opera have Adblock (an adblocker as good as Adblock in fact) ? no.

Enough said.

Also, Opera's interface and overall layout in its preferences, etc, is rather unrefined. Firefox is the better of the two.

[Rappy Veteran]

If you use Mr Tech toolkit it will not break the browser. I used it to make one extension compatible out of 13 that I use. Just today on AMO several extensions were upgraded so it won't take long.

Oh right might look into upgrading then (Y)

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

Oh right might look into upgrading then (Y)

I tell you the difference is amazing. New extensions are being made and or updated daily. Today a great deal were. It is fast.

[Boeing 787]

I upgraded from beta 4 and on cnn and abcnews the video player is always 100% and can't play while downloading at the same time. The beta 4 didn't have this problem. I hope someone knows about this issue and it gets fixed before the final version.

[Panarchy]

http://www.mediafire.com/?kvgl2wjjodg Beta 5 link!

[Harlem39s Finest]

almost none of my plugins are compatible. :(

tiny menu & fission work for me :blink:

[Quillz]

Also, Opera's interface and overall layout in its preferences, etc, is rather unrefined. Firefox is the better of the two.

Firefox is not the better of the two. Neither is better than the other. It's preference. Use the browser you like best.

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Yes, because in order to implement Aero glass properly, in Firefox, ironing out all of the bugs, etc, it would have pushed Firefox 3's release date back quite a bit (as they have to change code within their rendering engine, or something like that). Therefore they are going to implement Aero glass in Firefox 4.

I see nothing wrong with that, because I'd rather have Firefox 3 released ASAP. I'm even happier now I know of an extension to get Aero glass.

You're insulting Firefox 3 for not having Aero glass, yet your rubbishy Opera doesn't have it by default does it? No!

They can do it the hacky way or via the good way, at the moment you wouldn't want to use the good way (it's kinda hard to use a web browser that doesn't render web content). That's going to change in Gecko 2 though (the rendering infrastructure's going to be fixed).

No I'm not. I just find it a bit strange that a small add on could do this easy, while FF3 doesn't have an option to enable it by default (through the theme).

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Because the extension is a binary extension (as well as theme components), it's going the hacky method.

[MulletRobZ]

Darn. The title bar is still grayed out and Silverlight still doesn't work on the Mac OS X version.

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

Darn. The title bar is still grayed out and Silverlight still doesn't work on the Mac OS X version.

The latter at least is Microsoft's fault, not Mozilla's.

[Panarchy]

And for guys that want to enable (and install) extensions that aren't officially supported in FF3, download Nightly Tester Tools.

[ObiWanToby]

Does Opera have Adblock (an adblocker as good as Adblock in fact) ? no.

Enough said.

Oh yeah it does, built right in. It is like F6 or F9 or something.

[Fred Derf Veteran]

Ooh, many of my extensions have been updated to work with 3.0 RC1.

I can warn people/moderate using Clippings again!

Test:

A Milestone can be reaching a postcount of 1,000, increments of 1,000

Yup, it works.

[Randolph]

Ooh, many of my extensions have been updated to work with 3.0 RC1.

I can warn people/moderate using Clippings again!

Test:

Yup, it works.

What are clippings? :s

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

Mr Derf is talking about this extension. Clippings are frequently entered pieces of text; what this extension does is save them for instant access whenever you need them.