Lost - Season 5

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Except better by leaps and bounds.

No wai.

BSG > LOST.

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2) Jacob says the "it's your choice" twice (to hugo and to ben). I guess that has to do with the loophole thing. The dead have talked to our losties before (ana lucia, etc) but can we be really sure that was jacob and not esau? Perhaps the only thing esau can't do is tell them right away to kill someone, or to jill jacob. Maybe the one that said "Help me" in the cabin was not jacob, but esau. Maybe that's when he found out that ben had never talked to jacob? Meaning that's when he thought of ben having a reason to really kill jacob by his own choice?

The Cabin belonging to Jacob's adversary makes sense, Illiana and her group looked worried that the ash was broken and approached the cabin in a ready-to-shoot manner, which doesn't seem right if they work for Jacob. That would make Christian being in the cabin make more sense too, the adversary seems to like taking the forms of dead people.

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how the hell did Juliet survive that fall? The hole wasn't too large, and all that drill crap fell down after she did, she should of been splattered at the bottom. Reminded me of Goldeneye, scar face 006 bean guy falls from the dish platform to the bottom and survives and then all the burning crap falls on him.

apart from that, the final was awesome.

[Hupp]

don't forget the what happened to it? and where did the rest of it go?

my guess the hydrogen bomb blew it up

[Aaron Veteran]

The Cabin belonging to Jacob's adversary makes sense, Illiana and her group looked worried that the ash was broken and approached the cabin in a ready-to-shoot manner, which doesn't seem right if they work for Jacob. That would make Christian being in the cabin make more sense too, the adversary seems to like taking the forms of dead people.

So perhaps Jacob locked Esau on the cabin with some spell (the ash), but he somehow has escaped and is causing mischief?

my guess the hydrogen bomb blew it up

But if that happened, and our Losties see it later, wouldn't the entire island be pretty much decimated as well? Actually, if they do see it later, won't that mean that the plan didn't work?

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Anyone know why exactly Smokie killed Mr Echo?

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my guess the hydrogen bomb blew it up

But the statue was already gone by the time Sawyer and crew got to 1974

So perhaps Jacob locked Esau on the cabin with some spell (the ash), but he somehow has escaped and is causing mischief?

FakeLocke going right to the statue and not the cabin further solidifies my belief that the cabin belongs to him and not Jacob

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So perhaps Jacob locked Esau on the cabin with some spell (the ash), but he somehow has escaped and is causing mischief?

But if that happened, and our Losties see it later, wouldn't the entire island be pretty much decimated as well? Actually, if they do see it later, won't that mean that the plan didn't work?

plant life is amazingly resilient and could easily recover but manmade structures would be the ones damaged.

facebook: was it? I cant remember right now so you may be right.

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but why did fakelocke need richard to guide him to jacob? if fakelocke was the same guy as the one from the intro why didn't he know jacob resides in the foot of the statue himself?

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but why did fakelocke need richard to guide him to jacob? if fakelocke was the same guy as the one from the intro why didn't he know jacob resides in the foot of the statue himself?

To convice everyone he was Locke.

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To convice everyone he was Locke.

Bingo. In addition to this, to make them question their motives and actions all these years from an invisible leader.

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To convice everyone he was Locke.

Yeah, he didn't look surprised when Richard said this is where he lives.

[TonyLock]

Why did they Burn Yacob's house?

And does anyone else think that Smokie is the original inhabitant of the island?

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It's Jacob.

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Why did they Burn Yacob's house?

And does anyone else think that Smokie is the original inhabitant of the island?

Because they knew someone had been using it.

Smokey and Jacob I guess.

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Right - I've been typing AND thinking at the same time so this is gonna be a bit of a rant and I'm gonna repeat myself on a couple of occasions. Bear with me - I think I might have some good points here :)

Seems to me the lost characters are all pieces of a game between Jacob and Esau.

Esau causes destruction and, as the smoke monster, has killed characters off and then taken their shape (can take the shape of other characters as well so long as their body is on the island - AFAIK he has not taken the shape of anyone who is not dead and still on the island). Elaborating on this, he always seems to use the character shapes to cause havoc and spread FUD. Hurley may not be mad - the characters that are visiting him could be Esau.

The others were being led by Jacob and their hostility towards the crash victims of flight 815 could be because they were being indirectly led by Esau. Jacob was trying to prove that people could live peacefully on the island with his 'others' group. Esau was threatening this peace.

Why did Jacob bring the 815 survivors to the island? It seems that he did - It also backs up an old theory that each character that was brought to the island was special in so much that they had a strong character trait or a specific skill. Perhaps trying to create a perfectly balanced society? Perhaps this links to the doomsday Valenzetti Equation? Ensure the human race continues and can spread from the island after the human race has annihilated itself in the 'real' world.

It's clear to me that the island doesn't obey physical laws as we know them and so the existence of both Jacob and Esau is perfectly valid. The statue (whatever it's called - it could be an undiscovered god unique to that island) seems to be a god of fertility and since it's destruction, no child can be born naturally on the island. We know that the Dharma initiative was hunting for a cure, so (assuming this is all correct) we can place its destruction inbetween the incident and the massacre of the Dharma initiative (by Ben who must have been at least 10 to 15 years older).

Jacob lives in the statue and from my ideas previously, seems to want to build a functioning society that can grow. He represents creation.

Esau lives in a moldy old hut (where someone has clearly tried to keep him trapped with the ash), directly kills people and beleives that anyone coming to the island will be trouble. He represents destruction.

Good vs. Evil - ok so that isn't an original thought but I believe it all basically boils down to this. Evil is currently winning but we all know that in most stories, good triumphs!

So all this might be rubbish and I wouldn't be surprised if I had one or two of my facts wrong!

Anyone got a clip of what happens after the lost logo at the end (the eye?!) - I missed it!

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Can you tell me if Elizabeth Mitchell will appear on Lost in season six? She was my favorite actress on the show, and I think after last night, I may have died a little on the inside. Thank you!

Sources confirm that Elizabeth Mitchell will appear on Lost next year. But does that mean Juliet's alive and a going concern on the show? Well, we're meant to debate all summer who lived and died in the Lost finale, but you will note that she fell hundreds of feet into the waiting arms of a hydrogen bomb. You'll have to do your own calculations about her realistic prospects for survival?there are many variables to include in your equation!?but we've been asked nicely not to show you our answers. Good luck.

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Wasn't Jacks Father in a coffin on 815 when it crashed? And wasn't Christian re-animated just like Locke?

Looks like Christian has been a part of the deception all along, as was spirit Alex warning Ben about killing Locke.

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kezzzs:

1) Smokey (or whatever is projecting people that aren't really there) appeared as Walt while Walt was still alive.

2) The statue was gone by 1954, which pre-dates DHARMA

3) The eye at the end was the same as the eye that started the whole series.

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Wasn't Jacks Father in a coffin on 815 when it crashed? And wasn't Christian re-animated just like Locke?

Looks like Christian has been a part of the deception all along, as was spirit Alex warning Ben about killing Locke.

But if you recall Jack's father body was never found. It wasn't in the coffin where as Lock body was found in the coffin.

[DomZ]

I thought the eye at the start of the series was Jacks eye?

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kezzzs:

1) Smokey (or whatever is projecting people that aren't really there) appeared as Walt while Walt was still alive.

2) The statue was gone by 1954, which pre-dates DHARMA

3) The eye at the end was the same as the eye that started the whole series.

Hiya,

1) Is that the only character you can think of? I thought he had some kind of special power?

2) Was it? I must have missed/forgotten where this is mentioned - any idea?

3) Ah right - I thought I read it was slightly different?

[Rappy Veteran]

The eye was slightly different

[Mathachew Veteran]

Looks like a touched up version of Jack's eye, or it could be Ben's eye.

[Guest]

I don't recall an eye at the end of the finale :s