Stargate Universe (Season 1)

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I kinda liked the first episode(s). It felt more dark than SG1 and Atlantis. Might be exciting to see how they establishes the command structure. Seems a lot of them isn't military, more than with Atlantis.

Since they really don't have doctors etc. I guess they have to find healing equipment on the ship or some people on one of the planets. I guess they can't take big risks until that is in place. Exciting to see the exploration of the ship.

[Neoauld]

Your name is Lord Ba'al so I'm assuming you're a big fan of SG-1, just like I am. So I'll ask you this. You, and the others talking about this very point, realize this is an original stargate seeding ship right?

The ancients created the stargates a very, very long time ago and this ship was built to seed them unmanned throughout the universe. So of course it's old. The characters on SGU are talking about thousands, even hundreds of thousands, of years old but when you look at the timeline established in SG-1 and SGA you'll see that even Atlantis was used up until 10,000 years ago. So this ship is most likely freaking old. It put stargates on an untold number of planets far before the ancients had advanced to the point of flying cities, such as Atlantis, and ascension.

The ship was designed as is and has always been known to be an ancient ship. The creators/ producers have been saying that since the beginning. And of course another reason for the obvious design deviation is the fact that this is a new show. They wanted to create a separate world so the designers probably wanted something different and fresh but still grounded within the Stargate universe, no pun intended. :p

You should see the theories, about this and everything else, being post on Gateworld.net. All the hardcore Stargate fans are there and the depth at which they go into stuff is crazy. And I'm one of them. :rofl:

see, my memory could be wrong

but i recall on the very first episode of atlantis, it shows atlantis leaving earth and it said 1.2 million years ago

[thenut]

see, my memory could be wrong

but i recall on the very first episode of atlantis, it shows atlantis leaving earth and it said 1.2 million years ago

I don't remember the exact time they mentioned Atlantis may have left Earth to return to the Pegasus galaxy. I'm sure it's on Gateworld but I'm not gonna try to find it. :laugh:

[Neoauld]

here is a quote from gateworld, the timeline doesnt seem to make sense, as atlantis has hyperdrives. The ship in SGU is using FTL's.

"Several million years ago, the continent of Antarctica has become covered in ice. Their lies the great city of the Ancients, Atlantis -- but no longer. One Ancient bids a solemn farewell to another, who will stay behind. The great city lifts off the surface and flies away like a great ship, leaving behind only a small outpost and the woman, who scientists will discover frozen in the ice millions of years later, and name "Ayiana" ("Frozen")."

[Richard Hammond]

Few things annoy me:

1) Why did the ancients leave the CO2 scrubbers on if the ship was an unmanned ship? Why bother leaving live support on at all?

2) Its said that the ship is 10s of thousands of years old its all rundown and dilapidated but atlantis city itself is millions of years old yet is all shiny and new???

[Neoauld]

Few things annoy me:

1) Why did the ancients leave the CO2 scrubbers on if the ship was an unmanned ship? Why bother leaving live support on at all?

2) Its said that the ship is 10s of thousands of years old its all rundown and dilapidated but atlantis city itself is millions of years old yet is all shiny and new???

agreed

though atlantis sat protected within a shield, this ship was attacked/travelling around all this time

and why was life support even ON for all this time

this whole thing doesnt make sense, atlantis is wayyy older but has faster engines and is more advanced

[thenut]

I doubt it will all make complete sense. I don't think the Ancient timeline is established enough to fully answer everything. At least not at this moment. It spans so much and technically speaking, only big parts have been touched on.

I just hope they don't try to retcon things. But to be honest, some of the previous writing has led to the inconsistencies people are thinking about now.

[LOC Veteran]

I honestly don't think the ship's life support was on until the ship knew humans/people/whatever were going to arrive. They showed in the beginning the ship "waking up" so to speak (lights going on, etc). But then again, the CO2 scrubbers were used up. But also, that ship is somewhere between a few 100,000 years old to several million years old so who knows.

Also, I'm pretty sure that ship has been through battles. Since it's going through FTL and not hyperspace, ships can catch up to it easily and attack it (plus, attack it when it drops out of FTL obviously) and that big hole in the ship shuttle thing there, looked like battle damage (or possibly an impact of some sort).

[Neoauld]

that is possible that its only using FTL because hyperdrive is damaged, as per one episode of atlantis where they found ancients

i cant wait to see more

[zagor]

I honestly don't think the ship's life support was on until the ship knew humans/people/whatever were going to arrive. They showed in the beginning the ship "waking up" so to speak (lights going on, etc). But then again, the CO2 scrubbers were used up. But also, that ship is somewhere between a few 100,000 years old to several million years old so who knows.

Also, I'm pretty sure that ship has been through battles. Since it's going through FTL and not hyperspace, ships can catch up to it easily and attack it (plus, attack it when it drops out of FTL obviously) and that big hole in the ship shuttle thing there, looked like battle damage (or possibly an impact of some sort).

I hope they will explore the history of ancients a little bit more during this show. And I hope they won't make it entirely just about a bunch of people trying to find the way to home. I have seen so much of that, startrek voyager, battlestar galactica...

Of course, if they do explore the history of ancients, then it may not be easy to produce another stargate show. All the mystery will be lost...

[georgevella]

that is possible that its only using FTL because hyperdrive is damaged, as per one episode of atlantis where they found ancients

i cant wait to see more

dunno ... its just hypothetical ... but maybe it was designed to travel FTL without a hyperdrive because it needs to travel in our space/dimension to be able to detect stargates planted by the seeder ships

[LOC Veteran]

I think they will explore their history more than on the other shows. I would assume (at the very least) the ship has logs of all it's travels, and they can see some amazing things there. And who knows, maybe they will discover some of those ancient freezeboxes in the ship someplace, and find some actual ancients again. I doubt that one though.

Still, it'd be nice to explore their history more. And it would REALLY be nice to see the Furlings somehow. Maybe they can help save them at the end of the series or whatever? Might be an interesting way to finally introduce them....

[Neoauld]

I think they will explore their history more than on the other shows. I would assume (at the very least) the ship has logs of all it's travels, and they can see some amazing things there. And who knows, maybe they will discover some of those ancient freezeboxes in the ship someplace, and find some actual ancients again. I doubt that one though.

Still, it'd be nice to explore their history more. And it would REALLY be nice to see the Furlings somehow. Maybe they can help save them at the end of the series or whatever? Might be an interesting way to finally introduce them....

ill have to look up who these furlings are now

[thenut]

ill have to look up who these furlings are now

You have to be a Stargate fan to understand how we feel about the Furlings. :laugh:

But seriously, they're an ancient race that may have been wiped out. They were originally in the alliance of four races. The Asgard, the Ancients, the Nox and the Furlings. Humans are the fifth race.

[HawkMan]

I honestly don't think the ship's life support was on until the ship knew humans/people/whatever were going to arrive. They showed in the beginning the ship "waking up" so to speak (lights going on, etc). But then again, the CO2 scrubbers were used up. But also, that ship is somewhere between a few 100,000 years old to several million years old so who knows.

Also, I'm pretty sure that ship has been through battles. Since it's going through FTL and not hyperspace, ships can catch up to it easily and attack it (plus, attack it when it drops out of FTL obviously) and that big hole in the ship shuttle thing there, looked like battle damage (or possibly an impact of some sort).

Hyperspace is FTL.

I don't think they actually said it was a faster/slower form of FTL than hyperspace.

but then again, Atlantis insta jumped between galaxies so... even though in the established hyperspace theory, that woudn't happen :p

Kinda funny how Stargate keeps expanding on these ridiculous levels, it's like the writers don't truly understand how big our own little galaxy is.

[thenut]

Hyperspace is FTL.

I don't think they actually said it was a faster/slower form of FTL than hyperspace.

but then again, Atlantis insta jumped between galaxies so... even though in the established hyperspace theory, that woudn't happen :p

Kinda funny how Stargate keeps expanding on these ridiculous levels, it's like the writers don't truly understand how big our own little galaxy is.

Hyperspace is a type of FTL travel but in the Stargate world hyperspace is differentiated from other means of FTL travel. I haven't checked the wiki in a while but I'm pretty sure you travel in subspace, so technically you aren't going FTL the way other objects would be.

Atlantis didn't technically insta jump. It was at the edge of the Milky Way and the stardrive ran out of power. Then Rodney figured out how to make a wormhole drive to get to Earth in mere seconds. So it wasn't hyperspace.

Yes, Stargate does keep expanding. They have so much to draw from though. This franchise comprises millions of years, or more, of history across all sorts of fictional races, technology, etc. But if you're saying sometimes they seem to be throwing stuff out there on a whim I agree.

[hdood]

1) Why did the ancients leave the CO2 scrubbers on if the ship was an unmanned ship? Why bother leaving live support on at all?

What makes you believe it had life support on? The ship probably required some sort of atmosphere to function and stay in good condition, and not just the vacuum of space. This could have involved much, much, much less oxygen than life support, but would still have been drained when the ship was left floating through space for thousands of years longer than planned with no crew ever arriving and had sustained damage. We saw the functions related to life only turn on when they started coming aboard.

Also, I'm pretty sure that ship has been through battles. Since it's going through FTL and not hyperspace, ships can catch up to it easily and attack it (plus, attack it when it drops out of FTL obviously) and that big hole in the ship shuttle thing there, looked like battle damage (or possibly an impact of some sort).

Yeah, but it probably had automated defenses. Some here seem to believe that "battle damage" means it would have had to have a crew, which doesn't make sense.

[Neoauld]

yeah who knows, im sure theyll have a few episodes focused on just the ship itself, to explain its history a bit more

[HawkMan]

Hyperspace is a type of FTL travel but in the Stargate world hyperspace is differentiated from other means of FTL travel. I haven't checked the wiki in a while but I'm pretty sure you travel in subspace, so technically you aren't going FTL the way other objects would be.

Atlantis didn't technically insta jump. It was at the edge of the Milky Way and the stardrive ran out of power. Then Rodney figured out how to make a wormhole drive to get to Earth in mere seconds. So it wasn't hyperspace.

Yes, Stargate does keep expanding. They have so much to draw from though. This franchise comprises millions of years, or more, of history across all sorts of fictional races, technology, etc. But if you're saying sometimes they seem to be throwing stuff out there on a whim I agree.

The thing is, 10% of the milky way would be MORE than enough to hold all of the current Stargate lore.

Take all the grains of sand on all the beaches of our planet, the milky way has more solar systems than that, and that's all way outside the rather hostile galactic core. While Stargate is "big" in scope, it's not big enoguh to justify galaxy jumping. though for the ancients it would make sense in the way that they had learnt all they could in this dimension/form of existence. So they would be looking for knowledge from other races to add to their "libraries" before ascension.

but on the whole Stargate does the classic SciFi mistake of thinking a galaxy is a lot smaller than it is, and that a human empire woudl cover a good 10% to a quarter of it.

[Neoauld]

yeah kinda agreed

they havent even charted the milky way, and theyre already in another galaxy

and i hated when you saw star charts of pegasus in atlantis, and it had like 20 markers showing as though THAT was all there was in the entire galaxy

[thenut]

The thing is, 10% of the milky way would be MORE than enough to hold all of the current Stargate lore.

Take all the grains of sand on all the beaches of our planet, the milky way has more solar systems than that, and that's all way outside the rather hostile galactic core. While Stargate is "big" in scope, it's not big enoguh to justify galaxy jumping. though for the ancients it would make sense in the way that they had learnt all they could in this dimension/form of existence. So they would be looking for knowledge from other races to add to their "libraries" before ascension.

but on the whole Stargate does the classic SciFi mistake of thinking a galaxy is a lot smaller than it is, and that a human empire woudl cover a good 10% to a quarter of it.

The show also explained this when we found the Ancient database that held stargate addresses. Those worlds are habitable worlds. The Ancients seeded life in this galaxy.

Remember, this is still science fiction, they aren't going to say hey look there's trillions of stars, solar systems, etc. in this galaxy so let's just stay grounded here. The whole concept of the stargate allows the writers a lot of creative freedom.

[Rappy Veteran]

I love how this thread is now like 45 pages long (on the settings I have) all awesome discussion :D

[thenut]

yeah kinda agreed

they havent even charted the milky way, and theyre already in another galaxy

and i hated when you saw star charts of pegasus in atlantis, and it had like 20 markers showing as though THAT was all there was in the entire galaxy

Those markers may have been what was left. Again, the Ancients seeded life in that galaxy as well. Pretty sure they would know what's going on and important. Remember the Wraith rule the Pegasus galaxy so it's not like there's a whole lot of advancement and development going on.

[Neoauld]

Those markers may have been what was left. Again, the Ancients seeded life in that galaxy as well. Pretty sure they would know what's going on and important. Remember the Wraith rule the Pegasus galaxy so it's not like there's a whole lot of advancement and development going on.

this is true, but as per an above comment about stargate shrinking down everything

the way the map looked, it was as though there wasnt a whole lot in that galaxy, it fit onto a tiny little screen

[Xero]

I found it funny that one of the guys brought his iPhone :) I'm sure there will be something about that later on. I'm guessing maybe new race and they are amazed at it :laugh: Oh Apple...