Bing Is No. 2 in Search, Yahoo Down, Google Next

[brentaal]

[strelok1911]

bing is now my main search engine.

though the kumo name was way better

[Typhon]

I'm Binging. LOL no I am. Better then google .

[drhowarddrfine]

Ahahahaha. *wipes eye* .... Seriously? You think Windows has less than a 25% share overall? What the heck are all these other PCs running?

Please tell me you're not suggesting including electronic devices like DVD drives, aeroplane systems?

Outside desktops, Microsoft is a small time player. Internet servers are about 23%. In many institutions and universities, it's about the same, maybe less. If you want to count the devices you mentioned, MS is almost a no show.

Remember that Windows operating systems are used by and for novices. Professionals use *nix. That's why, outside the desktop, you just don't find Microsoft much.

[Ci7]

Outside desktops, Microsoft is a small time player. Internet servers are about 23%. In many institutions and universities, it's about the same, maybe less. If you want to count the devices you mentioned, MS is almost a no show.

Remember that Windows operating systems are used by and for novices. Professionals use *nix. That's why, outside the desktop, you just don't find Microsoft much.

LOL !

pros that use windows are wayyyyyyyyyyy more.

unless you mean *nix pros , since MS doesn't offer *nix products

[drhowarddrfine]

Hey, I hate to break this to you guys, but Bing is nothing but Live with a new face. Maps are the same. Search is the same. Except for the categories and a few bells and whistles, you're getting Live and nothing better. So for those who say "Oh, I've switched everything over to Bing and it's so much better!", you've been fooled by Microsoft again!

If it wasn't good enough for you before, it's not any better now, so quit falling for the same old tricks.

[Ci7]

Hey, I hate to break this to you guys, but Bing is nothing but Live with a new face. Maps are the same. Search is the same. Except for the categories and a few bells and whistles, you're getting Live and nothing better. So for those who say "Oh, I've switched everything over to Bing and it's so much better!", you've been fooled by Microsoft again!

If it wasn't good enough for you before, it's not any better now, so quit falling for the same old tricks.

the same old trick , that your eyes play on you .

:rolleyes:

[brentaal]

Hey, I hate to break this to you guys

Then why did you?

[Calum Veteran]

Well, not all of them do it like google.

Well, whilst calculations such as those, within the Bing results, would be an added bonus, I think more people search for language translations and the more popular basic and scientific calculations; therefore, it makes sense to add those features first. Oh, and you may be surprised which company has added those to its search engine and which company hasn't added some of those -

:)

Also, for the record, searching the exact same in both engines (i.e. "Worse in French" in Bing and "Better in French" in Google will produce the same outcome - a very helpful, and much quicker, way to find translations in Bing, but rubbish results in Google. In fact, a search for "Better in French" in Google returns the first result as...an article to "French is better than... Spanish!".

Bing will do the same if you substitute "French" for any language found in the Microsoft Translator.

As well as the language translations, Bing will do many basic and scientific calculations from within the search results. I also think it displays this in a clearer and nicer looking way than Google do -

34+345

4*6575

44/56

Sin 5

Tan 54

34% of 150

Hey, I hate to break this to you guys, but Bing is nothing but Live with a new face. Maps are the same. Search is the same. Except for the categories and a few bells and whistles, you're getting Live and nothing better. So for those who say "Oh, I've switched everything over to Bing and it's so much better!", you've been fooled by Microsoft again!

If it wasn't good enough for you before, it's not any better now, so quit falling for the same old tricks.

You're wrong.

Bing is 10 times better than Live Search. The results are much more refined and relevant. The categories are a very useful feature and can help you find search results quicker than you can in Google Search or Yahoo! Search. Wikipedia articles, articles on deseases / conditions, Videos and more are now brought into the actual search results pages, allowing for even quicker access. Website previews help you find the desired result quicker, as you aren't clicking on loads on pages trying to find what you want - you usually end up clicking only on the result you require.

So whilst you may pass these useful features off as "bells and whistles" because you refuse to actually try Bing for a bit and are not open-minded enough to accept that Bing may be better, you fail to realise that Google has none of this. Google may have a couple of other nice features, but nowhere near as useful, to many of us, as the new features in Bing.

It's fine to prefer Google Search for the couple of unique features it has, but to troll about Bing and state such blatant lies, does not do very good for your argument.

Finally, whilst maps are the same, are they not already better than Google's similar maps service? Even many Microsoft/Bing critics agree with that - Microsoft have been improving on their maps search service considerably over the past couple of years.

Reason for edit - typos

Edited June 11, 2009 by Calum

[guru]

Outside desktops, Microsoft is a small time player. Internet servers are about 23%. In many institutions and universities, it's about the same, maybe less. If you want to count the devices you mentioned, MS is almost a no show.

Remember that Windows operating systems are used by and for novices. Professionals use *nix. That's why, outside the desktop, you just don't find Microsoft much.

exchange, sql server etc are desktop products ?

[Kirkburn]

Outside desktops, Microsoft is a small time player. Internet servers are about 23%. In many institutions and universities, it's about the same, maybe less. If you want to count the devices you mentioned, MS is almost a no show.

Remember that Windows operating systems are used by and for novices. Professionals use *nix. That's why, outside the desktop, you just don't find Microsoft much.

Okay, so you said all operating systems? Obviously if you define that broadly enough you could include essentially every electronic device in the world. But who cares? That's not relevant to the discussion. Windows isn't aimed at your camera, your car or an aeroplane. However, in the markets it actually competes in, it has a huge market share.

Professionals use *nix? Hilarious. Professional coders maybe. Professional designers may use Macs more. Professional everything else in the world ... no.

[9UnknownMen]

Anyone here login and check their web history with Google? Initially it's really cool but then you soon realize that they have your life chronicled almost by the day for last 9yrs. I'm sorry but that's kinda creepy if you realize they're just another corporation. Bing or any decent alternative is welcome in my book but in no way has Google lost their edge in search.

They could easily pull a MS and 'borrow' some of Bing's features and refine it if they wanted too.

[dwhall]

And that links backs up what I said is something being done to you (collecting your personal info without your consent) with out your explicit permisson is being FORCED upon you.

Both are true about how sites and Google collects your data. It is both enforced and compulsory, meaning they don't ask your permission and they require it as part of a visit to thier sites.

So google puts shackles on you and forces you to search with google and forces you to allow cookies and etc so they can collect info on you eh? Glad to know this... :D

[soonerproud]

So google puts shackles on you and forces you to search with google and forces you to allow cookies and etc so they can collect info on you eh? Glad to know this... :D

Third party cookies are enabled by default ON ALL SHIPPING BROWSERS. Now, how many people actually take the time to turn off third party cookies or even understand the threat they play with their privacy? Google search is on almost EVERY WEB SITE along with scripting that is used to track even PEOPLE THAT DON'T USE ANY GOOGLE SERVICES.

Can I make this any clearer to you or are you going to continue to stick your fingers in you ears and pretend no ones privacy is being violated without explicit consent of the people being spied on?

I am not a conspiracy nut nor do I believe that Google is teh evil. They certainly are not innocent and they violate their own so called "don't be evil" philosophy every day by the very tactics they employ to keep track of people. There is nothing better about Google than Microsoft in how either company conducts business, so I just don't see the whole Google = Good, Microsoft = Evil attitude prevalent with the Abm'ers.

[Fluxii Media]

Third party cookies are enabled by default ON ALL SHIPPING BROWSERS. Now, how many people actually take the time to turn off third party cookies or even understand the threat they play with their privacy? Google search is on almost EVERY WEB SITE along with scripting that is used to track even PEOPLE THAT DON'T USE ANY GOOGLE SERVICES.

Can I make this any clearer to you or are you going to continue to stick your fingers in you ears and pretend no ones privacy is being violated without explicit consent of the people being spied on?

I am not a conspiracy nut nor do I believe that Google is teh evil. They certainly are not innocent and they violate their own so called "don't be evil" philosophy every day by the very tactics they employ to keep track of people. There is nothing better about Google than Microsoft in how either company conducts business, so I just don't see the whole Google = Good, Microsoft = Evil attitude prevalent with the Abm'ers.

So what if they can see what you're typing when you search on their search engine? What's the issue with that, really? Like so what if Google sees that you're searching for porn, or for movie times.... I just don't see where that is evil at all, it's actually helpful in gathering results and ads that are better suited for you. Just explain to me how that is bad at all. Heh, but that's just my view and opinion on it.

[Sigmatic.Minor]

<3 Google

[Nicholas-c Veteran]

Good work... Sadly google will pwn you hands down. Game. Set. And match.

[soonerproud]

So what if they can see what you're typing when you search on their search engine? What's the issue with that, really? Like so what if Google sees that you're searching for porn, or for movie times.... I just don't see where that is evil at all, it's actually helpful in gathering results and ads that are better suited for you. Just explain to me how that is bad at all. Heh, but that's just my view and opinion on it.

I never said it was evil, just despicable that they don't make end users more aware of their data collection efforts and how to avoid them if the user prefers to keep the info private. Most people have no clue how much and what types of data Google has databased on them and that is plain wrong. If a Government agency was to do the exact same thing without permission, people would be screaming bloody murder all over the place because the Government is collecting private info and databasing it.

[Inctye]

So what if they can see what you're typing when you search on their search engine? What's the issue with that, really? Like so what if Google sees that you're searching for porn, or for movie times.... I just don't see where that is evil at all, it's actually helpful in gathering results and ads that are better suited for you. Just explain to me how that is bad at all. Heh, but that's just my view and opinion on it.

So you are saying you wouldn't mind having Google know that you are a porn addict simply for the sake of being able to get more optimized porn results? And how many people actually forget to log out of their google account when searching for embarrassing stuff? Not sure many people are willing as you are. I have no problem with them collecting the search words and what links are clicked if it is completely anonymous, but they still track the ip addresses and other stuff more than other engines. Information on the internet is never safe these days, you never know who gets their hands on the data, and what they will do with it. Google tries to hush the privacy critics, but they still probably know about our interests and habits any one of us more than the government would.

I mean, I use gmail, google reader, google calendar, google voice, gtalk, and will soon be using google wave when that releases too. Switching away from google to bing for searching doesn't hurt. But I use Bing fulltime since offers some pretty solid results and is improving everyday.

[Fluxii Media]

I never said it was evil, just despicable that they don't make end users more aware of their data collection efforts and how to avoid them if the user prefers to keep the info private. Most people have no clue how much and what types of data Google has databased on them and that is plain wrong. If a Government agency was to do the exact same thing without permission, people would be screaming bloody murder all over the place because the Government is collecting private info and databasing it.

Okay, just trying to further read in what you're trying to say... I think I understand a bit more now. I think it's difficult to compare Google to the Government, as the Google can't control laws or your life like the Government can. If the Government was doing it for a good reason, like national security, I might be more understanding... though I agree, most people would be screaming and whining about them watching what they are searching for. But hey, just your opinion, as this is just mine. At least you seem to know what you're talking about unlike half the google haters out there.

[soonerproud]

Okay, just trying to further read in what you're trying to say... I think I understand a bit more now. I think it's difficult to compare Google to the Government, as the Google can't control laws or your life like the Government can. If the Government was doing it for a good reason, like national security, I might be more understanding... though I agree, most people would be screaming and whining about them watching what they are searching for. But hey, just your opinion, as this is just mine. At least you seem to know what you're talking about unlike half the google haters out there.

I certainly don't hate Google as I use gmail and other products and services from Google because they work for my needs. I also know how to keep certain info from Google when needed because quite frankly, it is none of their business what porn I look at. If something is illegal for the Government to do, it should be illegal for Corporate entities too.

The Government has used the legal system to subpoena Google, Yahoo. AOL and others for this private info when trying to pass anti-porn (anti-free speech) legislation that was eventually thrown out as UnConstitutional by the courts. The fact the Government knows where to go to get all that private info is frightening. It is even more frightening that some of those companies actually complied with the subpoena and turned over private info to the Feds illegally. (The Government broke it's own laws in approving those subpoenas.)

[Fluxii Media]

The Government has used the legal system to subpoena Google, Yahoo. AOL and others for this private info when trying to pass anti-porn (anti-free speech) legislation that was eventually thrown out as UnConstitutional by the courts. The fact the Government knows where to go to get all that private info is frightening. It is even more frightening that some of those companies actually complied with the subpoena and turned over private info to the Feds illegally. (The Government broke it's own laws in approving those subpoenas.)

I'm certainly no fan of the Government... but I feel some private data could be of use to protect the rights of the American people, though I feel they shouldn't break their own laws to protect us, if that is their intentions. But, still... the government has power over us, they can get any information they'd like from us, so just cause they got our search history doesn't really frighten me... they have our SSN, our Drivers License numbers, our Pictures, fingerprints, etc... so search history doesn't bother me at all. But back to the topic at hand... in the end, we all love Google, and if you don't, then you're just plain silly. :p

[Inctye]

I'm certainly no fan of the Government... but I feel some private data could be of use to protect the rights of the American people, though I feel they shouldn't break their own laws to protect us, if that is their intentions. But, still... the government has power over us, they can get any information they'd like from us, so just cause they got our search history doesn't really frighten me... they have our SSN, our Drivers License numbers, our Pictures, fingerprints, etc... so search history doesn't bother me at all. But back to the topic at hand... in the end, we all love Google, and if you don't, then you're just plain silly. :p

These numbers and images are useless since they tell you nothing who the person really is. Considering most people use a search engine at least a few times a day, it can be very easy to compile a very detailed profile of a person from a particular ip address just through search history. By no means do I hate google nor do I spend time thinking about this stuff everytime I search something, but it certainly can make you wonder why so many people blindly put so much faith into one single company.

[Calum Veteran]

in the end, we all love Google, and if you don't, then you're just plain silly. :p

Nope.

I don't love Google, at all. Some of their products have useful features and they have some nice ideas (I like the logo variations for special days and things), but that is as far as my liking goes for them. Why do I dislike them so much? Because they cannot design websites very well. Their search engine looks disgusting and their email service used to (it still doesn't look as nice as the default Windows Live Hotmail design, but at least you can now have themes). It's not just their search engine which looks awful, though, it is every single websites of Google's.

I love Bing. Absolutely love it. I don't love Google, at all. I don't just use a service for their design either, I use Bing because it is better than Google Search in every way. The search results are more relevant, it has many features which Google Search doesn't have, it has a much better name and it has a really nice design, favicon and logo.

P.S. Please don't reply with "Well, that means you're plain silly then" :p

[Fluxii Media]

These numbers and images are useless since they tell you nothing who the person really is. Considering most people use a search engine at least a few times a day, it can be very easy to compile a very detailed profile of a person from a particular ip address just through search history.

I guess it could show certain habits, but, I'm not sure about a detailed profile of a person just based off them searching for certain things. But, I could be wrong. The average computer user seems to search for basic stuff though, like flu remedies, job sites, etc... I think the government would have better luck getting personal information from sites like Monster.com/Myspace/Facebook... as that would give them a better profile on whom a person is.