Windows Live Essentials 'beta' out now!


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i just got it. it's working really well. out of the beta box, it wasn't the least bit confusion. although i wonder if there is a minimal mode to go back to the traditional messenger list?

theres a grey rectangle thats what your looking for next to inbox.

i just got it. it's working really well. out of the beta box, it wasn't the least bit confusion. although i wonder if there is a minimal mode to go back to the traditional messenger list?

click the icon in the upper right that says 'compact view' when you hover over it

it's mostly the facebook integration not working quite right in messenger and a bunch of other people complaining about no longer being able to use a nickname in messenger, everything else is great though

ok, i'm going to give this a chance because I tested WLM 8 (remember that horrible green?) and WLM9 which in comparison to the early 8 builds was actually good.

i've changed 2011 so that only messenger contacts are shown. if i wanna go to facebook, i will open the internet browser

now for a question, i can see what my contact are listening to. do they still see what i am listening to?

is anyone else able to get flickr, youtube or twitter working as services thru messenger yet, or is it just facebook and myspace in the beta?

it's just facebook and myspace atm

ok, i'm going to give this a chance. i've changed mine so that only messenger contact are shown.

now for a question, i can see what my contact are listening to. do they still see what i am listening to?

if you have it set that way yes

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Man there's just so many things MS took away from us that totally ruined MSN. Here's hoping they keep allowing the current WLM to be used for a long time, cuz I will not go without my customizable display name, taglines, themes, or one-way camming which I do a LOT. Especially when I want to manycam something on my desktop to show someone how to do something.

I also do not want my full name plastered all over my MSN list. I did not sign up to MSN with that in mind to begin with!

Good god this version of messenger is awful. I like the idea of the social page but it seems like they forgot what this program was originally designed for.

I really hope they change how the program functions in the final version or I will be moving to another IM client.

Good god this version of messenger is awful. I like the idea of the social page but it seems like they forgot what this program was originally designed for.

I really hope they change how the program functions in the final version or I will be moving to another IM client.

You can easily switch to Compact Mode, I mean compact view.

i noticed there are badges now. that's a neat idea if you want to advertise to your pals... especially if you have a t-shirt e-card website ahem ahem ;) in the final version, do you suppose we'll get to make our own badges? or is this a blue mountain thing only? :(

Am I the one not disappointed by this beta? It Mail works great, Messenger works just as well as before and has facebook integration. Photo Gallery's features are great and the ribbon works really well, Sync should have more online storage but it still does a decent job. The biggest disappointed imo was Live Movie Maker since they only added 4 new transitions.

Am I the one not disappointed by this beta? It Mail works great, Messenger works just as well as before and has facebook integration. Photo Gallery's features are great and the ribbon works really well, Sync should have more online storage but it still does a decent job. The biggest disappointed imo was Live Movie Maker since they only added 4 new transitions.

Off course not. The beta is good and Sync only has 2 GB which is enough; if you have been reading around, you will know that Micorosft realized that no one is actually using the 25 GB storage, so really 2 GB is just fine for your files. However, Device to Device sync is of unlimited storage.

As far as other applications are concerned, messenger could have been a lot more better, I mean 2 years of time and we just got integration to other services and that's all? I mean Messenger is the only application that I care and use the most.

I don't use WL Mail, as I use Outlook.

I find Sync a good application and very easy to use. It is very simplified.

Overall, I would rate the Wave 4 beta, 7 out of 10.

I guess I'm the only one to find these to be a bit "meh."

I don't care for the ribbon. It has a place in Office because there are so many features, but in these all it actually does is complicate things even more. I liked Windows Live Essentials when they were nice and simple.

why isn't there a way to report bugs like there was with office 2010 beta

i found quite the bug in live mail, it's when you try to create a rule to automatically move certain things to a folder, none of the folders show and it gives an error when you try to create a new one from that spot

try it out yourself, you'll see what i mean

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