updates Meet the browser: Firefox Next

[bogas04]

Does anyone knows where the Australis GUI will be released for OS X?

On Internet.

Jokes apart , it's still in works , firstly Curved tabs will come to Windows , then maybe to OSX.

[bawz]

On Internet.

Jokes apart , it's still in works , firstly Curved tabs will come to Windows , then maybe to OSX.

no Guarantee of that coming for a long time yet till they fix all the other Bugs thats stopping Australis from being landed, just go an have a lookm in my " Hanki " Australis Discussion " thread. i really wish someone would hack that forum an malliz's computer

[+Zlip792 MVC]

Some good bugs landing:

Copy Paste of Images from Content loses transparency information: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460969

Spell Checking issue in FF14: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=777529

CSS Support fix: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=734953

SVG Pattern issue: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=773467

Snappy P2 related to Layout flushing: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752486

XUL Improvement: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357725

JS Improvement: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=777190 (Improved a lot)

[ViperAFK]

Nice fix here, looks like opengl layers may finally become usable on linux with intel graphics :D:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707722

[+Zlip792 MVC]

Some good bug fixes:

All these are JS related and DOM related speedups and new bindings involved

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=747287

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=773546

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=773548

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766448

HTML5 new goody:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=562169

Some other spec support:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=567077

[flexkeyboard]

I don't know if what kind of snappy and addon memory leak Mozilla have solved for FF15, but does anyone else notice that FF15b3 is sluggish like hell? I have around 12 addons installed and FF15 "snappiness" is struggling really badly compare to FF13.

[trag3dy]

Seems about the same to me as the betas 1 and 2 were.

[+Zlip792 MVC]

I don't know if what kind of snappy and addon memory leak Mozilla have solved for FF15, but does anyone else notice that FF15b3 is sluggish like hell? I have around 12 addons installed and FF15 "snappiness" is struggling really badly compare to FF13.

Actually I think it was mentioned in latest blog of Nicholas, that Addon SDK based addons got hit because of Khuley fix and also Compartment per global is in FF15 which means 3-5% regression + some more addons overhead is expected.

[BetaAddict]

I don't know if what kind of snappy and addon memory leak Mozilla have solved for FF15, but does anyone else notice that FF15b3 is sluggish like hell? I have around 12 addons installed and FF15 "snappiness" is struggling really badly compare to FF13.

The general performance has forced me to switch to chrome for the past week. It's getting harder and harder for me to justify sticking with Firefox despite the great addons if they can't keep up in performance and rendering speeds.

[+Zlip792 MVC]

Some goody landed just now:

DOM3 wheel event - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719320

Multi-channel support in Opus codec - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748144

At last, support to upload file bigger than 2 GB and it might also solve issue of Youtube video having size bigger than 2 GB not loading - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215450

High Contrast theme alert box fix - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=661858

Bogus IGC regression: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762580

Performance Improvement (Help in IE Maze Solver as well): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691651

[dnast]

Thanks for the updates, Zlip. I don't reply often but I read all of them. Saves me the trouble of sifting through Mozillazine and Bugzilla (Y)

[Kirkburn]

One fix I'm quite happy about, since it actually affected me:

Sync authentication errors if passwords contain non-ASCII characters - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=774300

[+Zlip792 MVC]

Drag n Drop Bug fix: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775110

Cleanup: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743975

Crashfix: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781265

Plugin code bug fix after recent refactoring: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=782707

LOVE BUG - ImageSuck related Snappy P1 bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685516

Sorry can't resist - ImageSuck MemoryShrink P2: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683290

Some Decode fix: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697230

ImageLib Fix: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=693319

DOM3 "onwheel" attribute: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=782190

Mutation Observer with some XUL stuff: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=780199

Browsing Regression: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=782739

Some More MemShrink (will speedup Awesomebar as well): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673470

In future usage for mocked themes: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=634139

Sorry for using Big font for two bugs but they need attentions since they were both big wins IMO.

[bogas04]

IonMonkey is about 20% faster in Kraken and v8 than jaeger

http://arewefastyet....=b&view=regress

Try it yourself : http://ftp.mozilla.o...test-ionmonkey/

[LAMj]

Just tested it, still feel sluggish rendering things. It doesn't matter what kind of Javascript improvement Mozilla claims to made when their Gecko engine can't keep up to render anything fast enough to save its ass.

The new tab animations still drop frames so badly it's not even funny. Loading any site will literally freezes it for a couple seconds. Probably because Gecko craps in its pant trying to parse all the DOM structures.

[Yakuzing]

LAMj, something is wrong with

a) Your computer

b) Your mozilla profile

c) You

Now go clean it up and stop trolling :)

[LAMj]

LAMj, something is wrong with

a) Your computer

b) Your mozilla profile

c) You

Now go clean it up and stop trolling :)

a) My PC is pretty potent, I'm pretty sure firefox doesn't require anything above an Core i5-2500K right? or am I wrong?

b) I tested the Nightly on a clean profile with no addons.

c) Me? I'm not sure if Firefox discriminate against people or you just running out of intelligent things to say for c)

If you can't handle a few criticism for Mozilla by calling someone a troll, then you're too much of a fanboy.

[bogas04]

Just tested it, still feel sluggish rendering things. It doesn't matter what kind of Javascript improvement Mozilla claims to made when their Gecko engine can't keep up to render anything fast enough to save its ass.

The new tab animations still drop frames so badly it's not even funny. Loading any site will literally freezes it for a couple seconds. Probably because Gecko craps in its pant trying to parse all the DOM structures.

I guess Ion is for content for time being and not for chrome , so you shouldn't see difference there , however tab animations patch was landed in mc few days ago , it might not have been landed yet to Ion branch. Not sure why it's freezing at your side. Anyways these are just pre pre alpha builds , if you find a bug do post it @bugzilla :)

[Excelsis]

I seem to be having some performance issues with the nightlies lately, specifically in google maps and bing maps. I tried with a clean profile and it doesn't help any. Currently running the latest nightly.

I downgraded to 14.0 and it seems to help for bing but google maps is still not up to par with other browsers (all of them, Chrome, IE9, Opera and even the Steam browser!).

Anyone else having this issue?

I'm running 2500k so that couldn't be this. Maybe it's caused by the 12.6 Beta legacy drivers for my 4890? Although I'm getting great performance in pretty much all my games...

[Yakuzing]

If you can't handle a few criticism for Mozilla by calling someone a troll, then you're too much of a fanboy.

It doesn't matter what kind of Javascript improvement Mozilla claims to made when their Gecko engine can't keep up to render anything fast enough to save its ass.

Probably because Gecko craps in its pant trying to parse all the DOM structures.

Please come again. When you criticise something maybe you should try not to use sentences that suggest it "craps in its pant", or anything generalising "to save its ass".

What did you say about something intelligent to say?

I read this thread from time to time and I am sick of people like you coming in here, throwing up some whine about this and that without coming up with anything serious. You people always post this kind of empty story about something is happening but do you try to figure anything out? Do you try to keep it sensible? Do you stick with facts? No. You even add a load of BS.

Just check out Excelsis' post to see someone who is not part of your group LAMj.

[LAMj]

Don't get all work up because someone said "Firefox" and "craps" in the same sentence. Relax, I'm still using Firefox if that make you feel any better.

Anyway, people can check the freezing issue by visiting any site with content filled pages like theverge or hell even neowin front page. Immediately after you load the site, try to do anything on the chrome, like open new tab, menus, switching tabs, etc you'll notice that Firefox Betas, Aurora, and Nightly will freeze from a second to sometime 5 seconds or more depending on the complexity of the site.

[+Heartripper Subscriber¹]

Don't get all work up because someone said "Firefox" and "craps" in the same sentence. Relax, I'm still using Firefox if that make you feel any better.

Anyway, people can check the freezing issue by visiting any site with content filled pages like theverge or hell even neowin front page. Immediately after you load the site, try to do anything on the chrome, like open new tab, menus, switching tabs, etc you'll notice that Firefox Betas, Aurora, and Nightly will freeze from a second to sometime 5 seconds or more depending on the complexity of the site.

Evidently you can't came up with a nice sentence expressing your thoughts, but anyway there is for shure something wrong with your install because on my core2 duo laptop firefox a month ago worked flawlessy. Maybe if you have hardware acceleration enabled it has to do with your GPU drivers.

[chrisdoland]

I used to love firefox but can't stand the slow down. Chrome really has kicked the crap out of firefox. I'm not a troll, it's just the bitter truth.

[ArialBlue]

LAMj, something is wrong with

a) Your computer

b) Your mozilla profile

c) You

Now go clean it up and stop trolling :)

You imply that trolling involves saying that a browser is slow.

Thus trolling are statements such as,

"IE8 is slower than Chrome and Firefox"

By your logic, anyone who questions that validity of FUD is a troll.

I seem to be having some performance issues with the nightlies lately, specifically in google maps and bing maps. I tried with a clean profile and it doesn't help any. Currently running the latest nightly.

I downgraded to 14.0 and it seems to help for bing but google maps is still not up to par with other browsers (all of them, Chrome, IE9, Opera and even the Steam browser!).

Anyone else having this issue?

I'm running 2500k so that couldn't be this. Maybe it's caused by the 12.6 Beta legacy drivers for my 4890? Although I'm getting great performance in pretty much all my games...

IE9 is faster in many cases than Firefox.

This has a lot to do with the fact that Firefox team lacks professionals, lacks focus, and lacks good pay.

Chrome is also run by a professional team of developers.

Additionally, both IE and Chrome try to appeal to the lowest denominator. Whereas I read somewhere that Firefox team uses 5xx or 5xxm GPUs to test their HWA for example which is nothing of relation to testing on lowest denominator systems.

Evidently you can't came up with a nice sentence expressing your thoughts, but anyway there is for shure something wrong with your install because on my core2 duo laptop firefox a month ago worked flawlessy. Maybe if you have hardware acceleration enabled it has to do with your GPU drivers.

Mozilla does indeed not follow rules for speed. For the last year or so, most optimization that they have done involves moving IO off the main thread (something that should have been done many years ago) and not much work of relation to speeding up rendering.

This is kinda obvious when you compare the way Chrome deals with flash versus Firefox and the way IE9 renders GUI compared to Firefox.

But more appropriately - Firefox's biggest problem is the fact that disabling HWA is a performance enhancement in many cases. On IE9/10 for example, if you disable HWA you get a slower browser... the way it should be. Hell there is no guarantee that Firefox on Windows 8 will ever get rid of their driver blacklist - currently they have not.

[Excelsis]

IE9 is faster in many cases than Firefox.

This has a lot to do with the fact that Firefox team lacks professionals, lacks focus, and lacks good pay.

Chrome is also run by a professional team of developers.

Additionally, both IE and Chrome try to appeal to the lowest denominator. Whereas I read somewhere that Firefox team uses 5xx or 5xxm GPUs to test their HWA for example which is nothing of relation to testing on lowest denominator systems.

IE and Chrome I can understand, but the Steam browser while I'm playing a game!? I really don't get that one.

Add the fact going from Fx14 to the nightlies makes it worse (MUCH worse in the case of bing maps) I just don't understand. What's the issue? Mozilla? My card? AMD's drivers?

I've been using Firefox since it was Firebird, this isn't gonna make me switch, but it's pretty annoying nonetheless.

With AMD dropping any kind of meaningful support for the HD4000 series and Firefox having issues with maps, I feel like I should get rid of my 4890 though it can still play newly released games at pretty good framerates.

Good thing I don't have plans on upgrading to Windows 8 for now cause there's even more problems with my card on there.